December 2011 Sales - Page 5

Falc'man · 05-01-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by martyk54

To be honest I think you're either in denial or just don't get out and talk to enough people?? I agree regarding the 2nd hand HSVs entirely, these are very common in lower socio-economic areas, along with the big Holden flag draped across the garage and a trans or 2 sitting on the floor. Typically another Commodore as a runabout (VR/VS) too.

Identifying a perception is promoting it?? C'mon.

Identifying a perception, or fabrication of a stereotype? To be honest, it would help if you paid more attention to what is being said here as I don't think we're on the same page;
Methodx, in his opinion, is saying that all who drive a Ford and/or Holden are bogan, (or wogan if you're not Anglo). Do you, or anyone else who agrees with that, even know what a bogan is?

b0son · 05-01-2012, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

Ford still sold more cars than Mazda.. Goes to show the strength in the Ford brand across many categories & the lack of that Mazda has!!!

Mazda has a smaller model range, yet still sells within a few thousand units. Mazda sells a fraction of its volume to fleets compared to Ford.

Which business would you rather own?

b0son · 05-01-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bobthebilda

9. Ford Falcon 18,741 29,516 -36.5

That is a horrific result - there's no sugar-coating it. I'll be very surprised if the MkII can do much to improve it.

Falc'man · 05-01-2012, 02:48 PM

Does anyone know what the profits and losses are?

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Originally Posted by b0son

That is a horrific result - there's no sugar-coating it. I'll be very surprised if the MkII can do much to improve it.

It could be better, no doubt. I think you will be surprised.
Anyway, if volume meant much GM wouldn't have gone bankrupt, would they.

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Originally Posted by jpd80

December sales Caprice PPV........99

@ US$30k each.

bobthebilda · 05-01-2012, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

December sales Caprice PPV........99

If your losing $5,000 to $10,000 on each car sold, then i guess its far better to only sell 99 a month, instead of 299 a month.

bobthebilda · 05-01-2012, 03:13 PM

http://www.caradvice.com.au/153561/d...raight-months/

Top 10 sales by model:

1.Toyota Corolla – 3619
2.Mazda3 – 3325
3.Holden Commodore – 2814
4.Holden Cruze – 2783
5.Hyundai i30 – 1849
6.Toyota Yaris – 1635
7.Toyota HiLux – 1623
8.Nissan Navara – 1546
9.Ford Focus – 1539
10.Toyota Camry – 1532

Top 10 sales by marque:

1.Toyota – 15,578
2.Holden – 10,193
3.Mazda – 7348
4.Hyundai – 6858
5.Ford – 6724
6.Nissan – 5985
7.Mitsubishi – 4760
8.Volkswagen – 3614
9.Subaru – 2103
10.Mercedes-Benz – 2053

Brazen · 05-01-2012, 03:22 PM

Focus outsold Falcon!

**Fordman1** · 05-01-2012, 03:24 PM

Oh Dear !

bobthebilda · 05-01-2012, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Focus outsold Falcon!

At $19990, give it a few months, and it will be giving Cruze a decent battle too.

Gobes32 · 05-01-2012, 03:28 PM

Serious questions should be getting asked at head office, that means Territory was less than Falcon? It's a shame, the Falcon and Territory are good cars but every month it's the same end result.........

Brazen · 05-01-2012, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bobthebilda

At $19990, give it a few months, and it will be giving Cruze a decent battle too.

It's also selling on merit as well (I assume) as see the expensive versions everywhere, hardly see a lot of the base model. At 19990 it must be the pick of the bunch at the moment - apart from the worst automatic transmission in the history of the motor vehicle, maybe exaggerated a little...

Iggypoppin' · 05-01-2012, 03:37 PM

Falcon not even in the top ten for model sales....ouch...

Windsor342ci · 05-01-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Iggypoppin'

Falcon not even in the top ten for model sales....ouch...

Agreed, not a nice sight to see at all...

jpd80 · 05-01-2012, 03:42 PM

I reckon Ford ran out of Falcon and Territory stock.....

Great result for Focus and just goes to show what aggressive advertising can do, there's a message in that...

Just imagine if Figo, Fiesta, Focus, Mondeo, Ecosport, and Kuga could all get 1500/mth, that would be 9,000 sales.

dimka100 · 05-01-2012, 03:48 PM

Falcon - 1,376 - lower than previous months.
Territory -1,349 - much lower than previous months.

December is traditionally a quiet sales month but having said that one thing has become clear to me .... the EcoLPI was not successful at all!

Joe5619 · 05-01-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dimka100

the EcoLPI was not successful at all!

Wrong.. There sold what they built.. You can't do better than that!!

Joe5619 · 05-01-2012, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

Mazda has a smaller model range, yet still sells within a few thousand units. Mazda sells a fraction of its volume to fleets compared to Ford.

Which business would you rather own?

Total BS.. They have nearly the same product range!!!

And why do poeple complain about fleets sales all the time?? Fleets come back every 3 years where most private buyers (ones that pay from they own money) are lucky if they come back after 5-7 years.. Plus fleets ALWAY get serviced at dealers, not so for private buyers!!!

Anyway, I'd want the one with the most profit!!!

Joe5619 · 05-01-2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DanielXR8

Yeah they do have an image problem Joe. I can think of two dealers with very big image problems in their towns and they both hold Ford franshises. Ford Australia will never be number 1 until the brand and the dealer network are fixed.

And I know of 2 that are GREAT & I've never had a problem with any ford dealer.. So my 2 wipes out your 2, so Ford are even!!

I'll reply.. Ford are the 3rd BEST SELLING make in the country.. If they have problems, then alot of other makes have far greater one!! And the 2 infront of them loss more sales then Ford did this year, so they are actually closer to #1 this year then last!!!

You say the same thing in every single topic.. Time to build a bridge with your own personal experiences I say!! It is not as bad as you make out..

Bossxr8 · 05-01-2012, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

To add to this, my information indicates that the RHD variant for the stretched CD4 (next gen Toreass) has now been canned. This then thoroughly torpedoes the dribbling and salivating by Drive about the next gen Falcon being twinned with the Taurus.

Mustang mules running around places like the Nurburgring with forged alloy double wishbone front suspension and Control Blade IRS seem to have escaped the notice of many, or people seem to want to ignore it and keep peddling this Taurus/FWD Falcon rubbish.

Thats good news. Certainly adds to the rumours that Falcon will stay RWD and Taurus was never seriously in the mix.

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Originally Posted by jpd80

December sales Caprice PPV........99

I wonder how many millions they spent on the PPV bringing it up to police spec and how many decades it will take to recoupe the money spent selling double figures a month.

Bossxr8 · 05-01-2012, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dimka100

Falcon - 1,376 - lower than previous months.
Territory -1,349 - much lower than previous months.

December is traditionally a quiet sales month but having said that one thing has become clear to me .... the EcoLPI was not successful at all!

EcoLPi builds have only increased from the small target they set for it within the last few weeks before shutdown. Up nearly 50%. From February you should start to see it get to where it should be.

December and January are never good months for Falcon.

Road_Warrior · 05-01-2012, 06:02 PM

I would say December/January is never a good month for car sales generally, given that everyone has their minds on Christmas and with all the public holidays, everything is shut.

Don't forget the assembly plant would have been closed for a fair chunk of December and probably January as well.

jpd80 · 05-01-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dimka100

Falcon - 1,376 - lower than previous months.
Territory -1,349 - much lower than previous months.

December is traditionally a quiet sales month but having said that one thing has become clear to me .... the EcoLPI was not successful at all!

Right, add those two together and add another 500 odd for Ute,
that's roughly 3200 units or 15 days production which is exactly
three weeks production in December - sounds about right to me....

Especially with FG II and Territory now commanding premium prices.
Nothing to see here folks...........

flappist · 05-01-2012, 06:57 PM

Anyone can do their bit to help if they really want to.

Instead of buying a second hand XR8, XR6T or G6ET buy a new XR6 or G6 (or new higher model if you can afford it).

b0son · 05-01-2012, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

Total BS.. They have nearly the same product range!!!

Ford has 2-3 more models than Mazda, that's fairly significant from an R&D, marketing and logistics POV.

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And why do poeple complain about fleets sales all the time?? Fleets come back every 3 years where most private buyers (ones that pay from they own money) are lucky if they come back after 5-7 years.. Plus fleets ALWAY get serviced at dealers, not so for private buyers!!!

Fleets are frequently serviced by fleet management companies in-house. Fleet vehicles are also sold at a significant discount.

Fleets deliver the economy of scale that makes the private purchases so profitable. Mazda on average sells more units per model than Ford, and mostly to private buyers. Its a no-brainer which one would deliver a more favourable trading position.

b0son · 05-01-2012, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

Wrong.. There sold what they built.. You can't do better than that!!

Speaks volume that Ford built so little stock....

jpd80 · 05-01-2012, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

Speaks volume that Ford built so little stock....

Had they got a full four weeks production, those figures would have been:
Territory 1800
Falcon 1800
Ute 500

Let's not forget that Territory and Falcon are now commanding much higher prices thanks to no discounts on new models.

Joe5619 · 05-01-2012, 07:23 PM

When do they start up for 2012??

b0son · 05-01-2012, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

Boss has said that production has nearly doubled for LPi!!! Does that speak volumes!!!!!!!!

Depends what the actual number is... ?

Joe5619 · 05-01-2012, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

Depends what the actual number is... ?

Much smarter to start slow & build up from there.. Fleets are LPi only customer, all of whom dont buy cars in Dec/Jan, so why would you build lots??

Not like Holden.. Cruze hatch is coming, so lets increase line rate. Great move, NOT!! Now they are in a world of pain, becuase the sales aren't there..

jpd80 · 05-01-2012, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

Depends what the actual number is... ?

Engine assembly was around 20/day so i wonder if that's lifting to 40/day?
If so, it's roughly 900/mth extra production or is it displaced petrol sales?