Ford is Looking Back - XR8 - Page 5

Bossxr8 · 27-02-2012, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Instead of an XR8, what about a low boost I-6 T option for XT and G6?
perhaps something like 240 kw 450 nm similar to early BA XR6T.

It would still cost about the same to build as the 270 engine though, as the money is from the cost of the turbo and intercooler/piping.

Then you would have a G6 that would cost the same as an XR6 Turbo without the grunt or looks. And it wouldn't be too economical either.

Would sort of tread on the G6E Turbos shoes too.

Then again if they were thinking of putting an upgraded engine across the range as an option why wouldn't they just do that with a V8. Makes a lot more sense.

Nikked · 27-02-2012, 07:28 PM

302kw GS/G8E/XT-8

351kw GT/GT-E/GT-P

400kw GT-HO

martyk54 · 27-02-2012, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

your argument is boring.. repetitive.. and tiring..

No, it's topical, logical and informative. Anyone who says the XR6T is a boring drive without backing it up deserves critique.

You and your mate obviously have nothing to offer on topic short of this?? OK.

jpd80 · 27-02-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It would still cost about the same to build as the 270 engine though, as the money is from the cost of the turbo and intercooler/piping.

Then you would have a G6 that would cost the same as an XR6 Turbo without the grunt or looks. And it wouldn't be too economical either.

Would sort of tread on the G6E Turbos shoes too.

Then again if they were thinking of putting an upgraded engine across the range as an option why wouldn't they just do that with a V8. Makes a lot more sense.

Sense be buggered, I-6T means more work your way Boss..
What about low boost non-intercooler, kinda like a Miller cycle with a bit more punch....

Nikked · 27-02-2012, 07:40 PM

A low boost turbo motor would be nice...still keep the intercooler. Bassically the Same motor under a different tune. This could help with prices, as the turbos engine cost would be absorbed through more products.

**Professor Farnsworth** · 27-02-2012, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by martyk54

No, it's topical, logical and informative. Anyone who says the XR6T is a boring drive without backing it up deserves critique.

You and your mate obviously have nothing to offer on topic short of this?? OK.

i did back it up if you read my whole post, which you obviously didn't. Sorry for not having your opinion

some manners wouldn't go astray

martyk54 · 27-02-2012, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

there are a lot of whingers and (seemingly) Ford-hating people on this forum.

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Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

some manners wouldn't go astray

You think?

pottery beige · 27-02-2012, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by martyk54

No, it's topical, logical and informative. Anyone who says the XR6T is a boring drive without backing it up deserves critique.

You and your mate obviously have nothing to offer on topic short of this?? OK.

you cant accept that N/A V8 fans actually exist..

honk.. honk.. nice shoes ronald.....

jpd80 · 27-02-2012, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

you cant accept that N/A V8 fans actually exist..

honk.. honk.. nice shoes ronald.....

Yeah but are they new car buyers?
Or do they just lurking in the used car markets waiting for the price to come down before buying?

**Professor Farnsworth** · 27-02-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by martyk54

You think?

Yeah I do. So the people that habitually complain about the whole product no matter what Ford do, would be described as what to you?

Stop grasping at straws. Also stop getting antsy because not everyone gets a thrill out of a forced 6. Does it change your life that some people disagree with you?

P6LTD351 · 27-02-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Yeah but are they new car buyers?
Or do they just lurking in the used car markets waiting for the price to come down before buying?

Unfortunately for Ford, it's the latter. I know as I'm one of them.

TMC · 27-02-2012, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FTE

The Ford V8 was dumped in Oz before 1985 and the XR8 was released with the introduction of the V8 in 91, a full year ahead of the Series 2 EB GT.

As far as I recall, Ford made a limited run of 5spd 351 Clevelands in 1985, but they would have been burning out old stock. They would have been XE's too not XF's. Correct me if I'm wrong. I was still in school then.

I wasn't even aware of the XR8 in 91, but I knew the V8 was back around then in some Fords. But you didn't need to buy an XR8 to get a V8 then. However I didn't pay much attention to a performance V8 that only put out 165kW. Even the EB GT didn't interest me as to my mind it was gutless. I was driving around in hotted up Clevelands which made considerably more power than the little Windsors back then. Todays I6 puts those old V8's to shame.

jpd80 · 27-02-2012, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TMC

As far as I recall, Ford made a limited run of 5spd 351 Clevelands in 1985, but they would have been burning out old stock. They would have been XE's too not XF's. Correct me if I'm wrong. I was still in school then.

1984 XE ESP was the last of them, I used to ogle a red one at Byrne Ford, she was around $15,000.

martyk54 · 27-02-2012, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

you cant accept that N/A V8 fans actually exist..

honk.. honk.. nice shoes ronald.....

Stupid assumption.

I made it clear why I think someone would like the 5.4l XR8, for the exhaust and bonnet bulge... if that meets yours and other V8 fans credentials for a car, fine. I also mentioned that the SS is a great best of both worlds package if XR6T isn't for you.

BTW, stick with the topic rather than primary school jokes... credibility wise.

P6LTD351 · 27-02-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TMC

As far as I recall, Ford made a limited run of 5spd 351 Clevelands in 1985, but they would have been burning out old stock. They would have been XE's too not XF's. Correct me if I'm wrong. I was still in school then.

I wasn't even aware of the XR8 in 91, but I knew the V8 was back around then in some Fords. But you didn't need to buy an XR8 to get a V8 then. However I didn't pay much attention to a performance V8 that only put out 165kW. Even the EB GT didn't interest me as to my mind it was gutless. I was driving around in hotted up Clevelands which made considerably more power than the little Windsors back then. Todays I6 puts those old V8's to shame.

Respectfully you are wrong; no V8s were made in 1985.

P6LTD351 · 27-02-2012, 08:38 PM

Guys, as Ford fans let's not turn on each other.

**Luke Plaizier** · 27-02-2012, 08:43 PM

Those constantly posting negative comments about Ford are not Ford fans.

Lukeyson

Smoke Pursuit · 27-02-2012, 08:49 PM

I seen a truck load of FG2 XR8 sedans today heading out of the plant...

**Professor Farnsworth** · 27-02-2012, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

I seen a truck load of FG2 XR8 sedans today heading out of the plant...

Say what?

Windsor220 · 27-02-2012, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TMC

I wasn't even aware of the XR8 in 91, but I knew the V8 was back around then in some Fords. But you didn't need to buy an XR8 to get a V8 then. However I didn't pay much attention to a performance V8 that only put out 165kW. Even the EB GT didn't interest me as to my mind it was gutless. I was driving around in hotted up Clevelands which made considerably more power than the little Windsors back then. Todays I6 puts those old V8's to shame.

They may not of had much power back then but they were on par with the Holden offerings so performance wasn't an excuse.

Chopped · 27-02-2012, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke Plaizier

Those constantly posting negative comments about Ford are not Ford fans.

Do you ever criticize your favourite footy team ?!!
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Why not a boosted version of the turbo 4 instead of a detuned turbo 6 ?

Dr Smith · 27-02-2012, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

I seen a truck load of FG2 XR8 sedans today heading out of the plant...

borrowed the Hubble telescope did you, lol....

b2tf · 27-02-2012, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

I seen a truck load of FG2 XR8 sedans today heading out of the plant...

Good. The one I ordered should be one of them.

Ford Falcon XR6 · 27-02-2012, 09:07 PM

Ford should build an Fg Xr8 with a beam axle and T3 motor (with afr 165s) and tell the euro edmission hippies to jam it. Wishful thinking....

Joe5619 · 27-02-2012, 09:48 PM

Anyone calling an XR6T boring to drive, is a plain old nobe if you ask me...

nstg8a · 27-02-2012, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

I seen a truck load of FG2 XR8 sedans today heading out of the plant...

Headed to fpv to have the fpv n gs badges fitted?

Smoke Pursuit · 27-02-2012, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

Headed to fpv to have the fpv n gs badges fitted?

Your a smart kid!

As for Austin you should have kept the one you had sunny jim!

FG2 XR8 = FG2 GS :(

**Polyal** · 27-02-2012, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Yeah but are they new car buyers?
Or do they just lurking in the used car markets waiting for the price to come down before buying?

Holden seems to sell plenty of NA's.

The only thing that separates me as a "second hand" buyer and a new is probably about 12-24 months. Just because I am not signing now doesnt mean I never will.

If people want to debate the XR8 then maybe they should read that epic thread in the Modular section.

For me a XR8 is about having a V8. I dont want, nor need a s/c'd weapon that capable of 400rwkws with a little tweak.

I have a young family so right now even though I could get a GT, I just have other priorities. Doesnt mean I have to commit myself to a bloody ecoboost falcon though.

Having a blown car also brings added costs of ownership aswell. So even if they did drop the GS price it would make no difference to me. The FPV brand doesnt really attract me either.

In my area there are many SS's used as family cars, that phoney wagon is a prime example. Its not really a modern V8, it has f all space in the back and yet they sell well because your normal aussie family bloke gets it past the missus because its "family", doesnt cost alot and keeps him happy with a engine and note to have some fun.

So if anything I am probably envious of what the commy guys get, even if our XR6T and Miami's wipe the floor with them...no one really cares.

Buntz · 27-02-2012, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mick457

For Holden, though, V8-powered models are a crucial part of the Commodore range, accounting for about one in four sales and helping the brand appeal to private buyers.

this^
the ss is so popular and i think why is becasuse you know when a ss is coming down the street it has road presents where the xr8 is not
and that where i think ford went wrong compare a sv6 to a ss there differnt in so many ways
sometimes its hard to tell a standard xr6 and 8 apart if it wasnt for the red 8badge sometimes i wouldnt even notice it, so if ford dont change the style of the xr8 then dont bother releasing it the general public wont even know anyways

just my 2 cents

I see plenty of SS's on the road. But almost all of them have a SIDI badge glued right underneath.

**Luke Plaizier** · 28-02-2012, 08:52 PM

I just ran some interesting numbers off www.redbook.com.au.

2012 VE II SS $49 790
2012 FG II XR6T $48 235

2012 VE II SS-V $57 290
2012 FG II GS/XR8 $57 990

I don't think there's any reason why a GS, simply rebadged as an XR8, with NO other changes, wouldn't be a positive step. The pricing, as we can see, would be competitive with it's natural opponent. And to say that it would steel sales away from the GS is just dumb - it IS a GS sale.

BADGES and STICKERS. That's ALL it would take to revive the XR8. Period.

Lukeyson