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18-07-2014, 08:06 PM | #121 | ||
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Don't forget the Soviet Union sacrificed allot in WW2 and pretty much got shafted afterwards, it wouldn't be hard to rally nationalism.
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18-07-2014, 08:08 PM | #122 | ||
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sacrificed alot to save themselves so they should and what do you mean shafted they got to keep half of europe how is that shafted.
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18-07-2014, 08:12 PM | #123 | ||
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They didn't, eventually they pretty much handed most of it back, despite the huge lose of life they endured to defeat hitler. How else do you think Putin is getting the green light to take it back.
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18-07-2014, 08:15 PM | #124 | ||
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Its not your conventional Militia that run from farm to farm sharing weapons. This thing runs deep. Just seeing pictures of the SAM that is supposedly responsible for downing that plane, and others before it, is not something you could get on the black market or steal and conceal. Hence why other countries planes avoided that area maybe because they came up on satellite images.
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18-07-2014, 08:22 PM | #125 | ||
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You're right, if Hilter had of decide to kept Russia on side then we would of lost. That's how Putin is getting away with it now, Russians believe they got a raw deal after the war.
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18-07-2014, 08:24 PM | #126 | |||
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18-07-2014, 08:27 PM | #127 | ||
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Some of the videos and images coming from the crash site are horrific... check out Liveleak.
Not going to bode well for Malaysia airways either.
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18-07-2014, 08:28 PM | #128 | |||
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Sounds exactly like the U.S.; all the trappings of "democracy", but a regime totally under the control of corporate oligarchs and the super-rich. The question is.... which country will be the first to bankrupt itself. |
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18-07-2014, 08:28 PM | #129 | |||
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I say half with respect to the diggers that died at kokoda too.
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18-07-2014, 08:34 PM | #130 | ||
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18-07-2014, 08:36 PM | #131 | ||
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Then I wouldn't understand you as you'd be speaking German.
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18-07-2014, 08:38 PM | #132 | ||
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Please lets not go down the path of who did what with WW11 ..... the link has little to do with what is happening today in regards to todays tragic turn of events .
Save the blame until something is proven on who did what and NOT who did what to whom 80 odd years ago.
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18-07-2014, 08:40 PM | #133 | ||
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Fair call. We all get a bit emotional at times.
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18-07-2014, 08:40 PM | #134 | ||
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Condolences to all concerned.
I call international coward punch.
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18-07-2014, 09:01 PM | #135 | ||
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18-07-2014, 09:25 PM | #136 | ||
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Oil in Palestine? Diversion?
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18-07-2014, 09:25 PM | #137 | ||
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There is a small window of opportunity for the world to tell Putin how unacceptable a leader he is.
No one will bother, it is just all too hard. Deepest sympathy to all affected by this needless act of terrorism.
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18-07-2014, 09:31 PM | #138 | ||
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apparently the previous 10 flights over donetsk were to the south and this one diverted over the warzone where 2 planes had been shot down prior to this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=KXQ_8_KUT3w |
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18-07-2014, 09:52 PM | #139 | |||
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Not North of it as shown in the video!
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18-07-2014, 09:57 PM | #140 | ||
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Though it seems to be a case of mistaken identity, it could easily have been an
Aeroflot plane shot down. How would the world and espescially Russia react if this were the case? |
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18-07-2014, 10:19 PM | #141 | ||
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Not sure if this report is legit but it seems there may also be another theory.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=82d_1405626437 President Putin's plane might have been the target for Ukrainian missile – sources Part of channel(s): Ukraine (current event), Malaysia 777 Shot Down in Ukraine (current event) Malaysian Airlines MH17 plane was travelling almost the same route as Russia’s President Vladimir Putin’s jet shortly before the crash that killed 295, Interfax news agency reports citing sources. LIVE UPDATES:Malaysia Airlines MH17 plane crash in Ukraine “I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft - 15:44 Moscow time,” a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity. "The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical", the source added. At the same time, there have been reports contradicting Intefax’s report that was the first and the only media source to publish the news, saying that Presidential plane was not flying over Ukraine at the same time. As a source told Gazeta.ru online news portal, Putin’s plane does take off from Vnukovo-3 [the terminal that accepts business jets], but the president does not fly over the conflict-gripped neighboring country. “Putin has only one jet – Board One, he does not fly other planes. This plane always takes off from Vnukovo-3, but the presidential plane have not been flying over Ukraine for a while,” the source at Vnukovo-3 terminal said. President Putin was on his way from Brazil, where he attended the BRICS summit, to Moscow. Flight MH17 crashed in Ukraine on a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpar, and was carrying 295 people. The passenger Boeing-777 was expected to enter Russian airspace at 5:20pm local time, but never did, a Russian aviation industry source was cited by Reuters. Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=82d_1...FomvRxMFUUv.99 .
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18-07-2014, 10:23 PM | #142 | ||
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ha yeah, so much disinformation in the misinformation. itd be a massive task of sorting through all this to get to the bottom of it
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18-07-2014, 10:39 PM | #143 | ||
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No one is going to do squat. Not a single thing. Politicians will get on TV and say how unacceptable it is and Russia has been a very naughty boy and they need to be held to account and how things will have to change and they might even ban Putin from G20 this year but at the end of the day no one will do a thing. Money and oil/ gas is power and Russia have lots of them.
This isn't the first time Russia has been involved in something like this, and what happened to them when they invaded Georgia and what has anyone done to them with respect to Ukraine. I know I sound like a miserable ***** but that's the way it is. |
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18-07-2014, 10:42 PM | #144 | ||
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Yes, seriously. Palestine has a massive oil reserve 22 miles off the Gaza Strip coast, and 1.4 trillion cubic feet of gas. Israel wants it. Palestinians wouldn't have to live in poverty if Israel would let them develop their natural resources. If Palestine becomes energy rich Israel would be wiped off the map.
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18-07-2014, 10:42 PM | #145 | ||
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Sorry, was still half asleep when I heard it. I do remember that one was an Antonov.
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18-07-2014, 10:49 PM | #146 | ||
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Lets hope and pray history doesn't repeat itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cha...ade_%28poem%29
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18-07-2014, 11:40 PM | #147 | ||
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Thanks RANGAS, makes a whole lot more sense of that situation.
And its never mentioned in the media. |
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19-07-2014, 12:27 AM | #148 | ||
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Unfortunately for myself it's hit closer to home as one on the victims was a work colleague who was travelling home along with his girlfriend.
Rip emiel & elaine
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19-07-2014, 03:07 AM | #149 | ||
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Every Thursday, just after midday, a South African bound aircraft, origin = Sydney or Melbourne would fly over Bunbury (West Australia).
If the conditions where right, you could easily perceive the 4 individual contrails (A340), exiting the engines and the combined plume that spanned the vault (sky). Beautiful sight. Now, I never set my watch by this apparition, but could have. Days would be, I'm either working, it's cloudy or at 10+kms high, in such a such season (the Jetstream), the contrail was not visible. Here is a regular flight, its waypoints timed to the second. Done it hundreds of times previous at exactly the same time, same altitude, speed. The flight plan logged to agencies across the planet. Gets Shot Down. Why not yesterday or last weeks flight? Conference?
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19-07-2014, 06:40 AM | #150 | ||
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Yep peace loving Russians (sarc), they do have prior form with the shooting down of civilian airliners, KAL007 back n 1983 and now MH17. Back in 1983 the US had a president who stood up to the Russians, these days the US is led by a president who is as impotent as he is clueless. Obama's 2 greatest achievements are to send the US broke and winning the Nobel peace prize for doing nothing. Green light signals for the Russians and terrorists to do what they want.
Still the world watches as a once peaceful Ukraine gets smashed by the Russian army disguised as "rebels". History has a habit of repeating itself, Si vis pacem, para bellum Condolences to all the family and friends impacted by this tragic event. |
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