2010 Falcon/Territory (speculation) - Page 5

Swordsman88 · 06-06-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by coupex

I think it will more likely get the 3.2L no DI V6 Holden already build for the Captiva.

for their sake i hope not...that will make them a huge joke. It doesn't have the grunt to haul a captiva properly let alone the grunt needed for a supposed holden large car.

I think Holden will work on shedding weight from commodore (10 kgs here and there), put in at least the 5sp standard (6sp on some models) and run the 3.0 DI as the base engine.

THe recent announcement of alloytec exports to mexico for the chevy equinox is telling i think. AT some point holden need to rationalise the models produced. If they put a DI 3.0 in base models as suggested, that would be a new version of the engine they need to produce (in addition to 3.6, plus 2.8 for saab and 3.2 for alfa).

Looking at the outputs i'd say if SAAB is sold off by GM in time the 2.8 will go the way of the dodo, and the 3.2 has similar (inferior power actually) to quoted outputs from the 3.0 DI....so i'd get rid of that. This is based on wiki data though...so i'd take it with a grain of salt.

The 3.0 makes 190kw 300nm or so....you have to retune that for torque down to about what the current 3.6 base makes. As for premium versions of commodore NFI....if they are lucky they get DI 3.6...they'll need it.

Road_Warrior · 06-06-2009, 07:59 PM

Doesn't surprise me that there are Coyote engined FG's out and a about. And no one would be able to tell apart from those with a keen (and experienced) ear.

Interesting though that a full build Territory mule hasn't been built yet. Which leads me to believe that we may not see this car (or the 'Huntsman' Falcon) until 2011. The Euro 4 engine update may simply be added in as a running change which will be fine for the I6. It will be a bit strange to simply 'slot in' an all-new V8 as a running change though! Which is why I surmised that the Huntsman HAD to come out before July 1 2010.

Who knows.

Road_Warrior · 06-06-2009, 08:04 PM

As for the DI V6 in the Commodore - it was going to happen sooner or later but I'm a bit surprised that they are tipping a smaller motor to be fitted to the Commodore. I would have thought that they would introduce the 195 motor and 5 speed auto across the range and save the DI V6 (3.6 litre) for the SV6 and Calais V but obviously not.

That smaller motor is going to chew the juice trying to shift the VE's porky butt.

Swordsman88 · 06-06-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

As for the DI V6 in the Commodore - it was going to happen sooner or later but I'm a bit surprised that they are tipping a smaller motor to be fitted to the Commodore. I would have thought that they would introduce the 195 motor and 5 speed auto across the range and save the DI V6 (3.6 litre) for the SV6 and Calais V but obviously not.

That smaller motor is going to chew the juice trying to shift the VE's porky butt.

This is what they should do if they were smart. Throw in the supposed weight savings and you'd be close to cometitive...at least for the HF up spec models.

But in typical holden style they have to make things hard for themselves. Perhaps it illustrates how hamstrung they really are with the 3.6 version...it never really seemed to work that engine. I remember reading somewhere the alloytec was originally designed for lighter FWD applications...and is not suited to larger capacity. Can't see how a 3.0 DI is any cheaper to build than a 3.6 DI either.....

Road_Warrior · 02-02-2010, 11:39 AM

oh hai

A late 2010 - early 2011 release for the updated Territory means (maybe) that there should be some mules out and about.

Anyone seen anything suss? They have to get mules on the road sooner or later...

EDIT: exhibit A:

This aerial photo of the Lara Proving Ground was taken on 4 January 2010. There is a walled compound with a house in it, and a bunch of smashed and not-smashed cars in there. Some look like Territories, like the ones in the photo.

yift · 02-02-2010, 03:20 PM

no mules wih the new sheetmetal yet, and if they make them tommorow they wont see the road for a few months atleast, they will probably be hidden around broady

JPFS1 · 02-02-2010, 04:32 PM

Ramping up now...

All design is finalised and suppliers have tooled up and will be producing final spec parts for assembly. Won't be long before you see them out there, but they are still 12 months away.

Chopped · 02-02-2010, 04:59 PM

Not sure if it has been posted already >

Sheet metal looks the same !
http://www.caradvice.com.au/50034/bu...re-spy-photos/

JPFS1 · 02-02-2010, 05:55 PM

Yes, those pics are months old. Don't know why caradvice with-held posting those pics. Maybe they struggled to think of a story to go with it.

rodderz · 02-02-2010, 06:45 PM

Mules for Falcon are out there but still as FG's with usually a bits n pieces arrangement in terms of badging etc.

Apparently final configuration/power figures will be decided in the coming months with marketing having a lot to do with it

Swordsman88 · 02-02-2010, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JPFS1

Ramping up now...

All design is finalised and suppliers have tooled up and will be producing final spec parts for assembly. Won't be long before you see them out there, but they are still 12 months away.

Do you mean the car on sale date is 12 months away or the mules? If the final spec parts are being made then surely mules will be on the PD and out on the road within 3 months no?

I assume alot of the testing has been done on the current car and given smilarities to FG development time can be a bit shorter then with falcon?? I assume this is a very substantial change with all sheet metal/interior to go with it?

csv8 · 02-02-2010, 08:05 PM

G8E would be nice..but I am dreaming.....

JPFS1 · 02-02-2010, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Swordsman88

Do you mean the car on sale date is 12 months away or the mules? If the final spec parts are being made then surely mules will be on the PD and out on the road within 3 months no?

I assume alot of the testing has been done on the current car and given smilarities to FG development time can be a bit shorter then with falcon?? I assume this is a very substantial change with all sheet metal/interior to go with it?

Yes that's sale date... sorry if that wasn't clear. I want first off the line ;)

Real world testing in final trim/spec with new body etc is final stage and will be happening soon.

XR8putts · 02-02-2010, 08:27 PM

Now im confused, are we discussing the Terri or the Falcon?

yift · 02-02-2010, 08:31 PM

territory, the sheetmetal is all done and mules will be getting produced with it very soon, it will be pretty different is all i will say.

Road_Warrior · 02-02-2010, 08:45 PM

Hmm ok so we could see some Territory II mules out there in a couple of months. Now even, especially as the on-sale date is going to be in 12 months - possibly a bit less.

FGII is just around the corner though. I'm surprised we don't know more (apart from Coyote). Weren't there rumours of some sheetmetal changes?

Joe5619 · 02-02-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

G8E would be nice..but I am dreaming.....

I agree... I think Ford are crazy not having a G8E.. Espcailly when the new V8's come out even more so.. Add a manual too & you'd at least sell one to me!!

jpd80 · 02-02-2010, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by yift

territory, the sheetmetal is all done and mules will be getting produced with it very soon, it will be pretty different is all i will say.

OK, I know you can't share much but will Territory have more kinetic styling?

Would Kuga hint at the direction?

jpd80 · 02-02-2010, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

I agree... I think Ford are crazy not having a G8E.. Espcailly when the new V8's come out even more so.. Add a manual too & you'd at least sell one to me!!

Actually if XR8 were to continue, maybe a G8E (NA 5.0 V8) would be a nice counterpoint......

Road_Warrior · 05-02-2010, 02:34 PM

I saw one of those full luxo Range Rovers this morning, the current model. Had retractable side steps.

Retractable side steps on the '11 Territory Ghia would be kinda cool.

**Luke Plaizier** · 05-02-2010, 03:27 PM

I think a lot of people agree that Ford should have had an FG G8E since launch. And I wonder with the success of the G6ET if they might be regretting not having it.

Burela has dropped a few hints now that there might be more options than to just 'keep' or 'drop' the XR8.

Lukeyson

XR8putts · 05-02-2010, 08:02 PM

I'd say we will see a G8E come FG2 because of the success (and profitabilty) of the G6Es, and the new V8.

I have one question for those in the know, will FG2 have sheetmetal changes? I'm 90% sure it won't, but there were rumours flying around a few months ago.

I hope that Territory II is marketed well, because it sounds like it will be stunning and we know for sure the interior at the very least will be top class.

Joe5619 · 05-02-2010, 09:10 PM

Speaking of FG2.. When is it coming out?

csv8 · 05-02-2010, 09:20 PM

Tezza's towing capacity should be increased to 2500kgs

csv8 · 05-02-2010, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

I saw one of those full luxo Range Rovers this morning, the current model. Had retractable side steps.

Retractable side steps on the '11 Territory Ghia would be kinda cool.

FORD has them on the Lincoln SUV in America, so shouldn't be hard to ship here and install.

Road_Warrior · 05-02-2010, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

Speaking of FG2.. When is it coming out?

May for memory, unless that's been pushed back...?

yanknbank · 06-02-2010, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619
Speaking of FG2.. When is it coming out?

May from memory, unless that's been pushed back...?

I thought it was around July. I'm keen to swap the current G6ET for a G6ET II (or possibly a G8E ?). It would be nice to have some idea when and if there are going to be any changes to the sheetmetal.

**Fordman1** · 06-02-2010, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by yanknbank

I thought it was around July. I'm keen to swap the current G6ET for a G6ET II (or possibly a G8E ?). It would be nice to have some idea when and if there are going to be any changes to the sheetmetal.

I doubt there will be sheetmetal changes...

Bossxr8 · 06-02-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Tezza's towing capacity should be increased to 2500kgs

Would explain a few things.

**Elks** · 06-02-2010, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by yanknbank

I thought it was around July. I'm keen to swap the current G6ET for a G6ET II (or possibly a G8E ?). It would be nice to have some idea when and if there are going to be any changes to the sheetmetal.

Im not in the loop, but you would expect that it would be may june, as the have to have euroIV compliant cars as of July 1. its unlikely they (or any other manufacturer) would introduce a facelift/new model to not coincide with this.