E85 vs THE REST!

[prasac]

Originally Posted by TruBlu351

Sound like you're using a petrol AFR meter??

ie: the meter just converts the lambda value to an AFR calibrated to petrol. A lambda of 1 = 14.7:1 AFR for petrol, but that same 1 = 9.8:1 for E85. Having read a few posts from other users using E85 and oxy sensors, I think I'd just stick it on the lambda readout to avoid any confusion.

yeah, it's petrol AFR. to save confusion we stuck with it, i'd check the logger and i would adjust the tune and tell him what to look for on the in-car display.

[graham_h]

The only "kit" you need is 30-35% larger injectors. Using injector pulsewidth converters to run E85 is a bandaid solution and is fraught with the danger of running out of injector at heavy throttle openings (which you most likely will).
There aren't too many cars out there with 30-35% reserve injector size capacity....
Any modern ECU will happily adjust and fine tune to E85 with larger injectors.

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So maybe all I need is bigger injectors (until the stock fuel pump packs it in)
Now what type of injectors will do the job ?

[dieseltrain79]

You will need to uprade the fuel pump as well . Better off in the long run anyways as you dont want the stock one to fail and lean it out under full load , as we all know the factory ones WILL fail eventually .

[graham_h]

True....Walbro I guess?

[prasac]

Walbro, Bosch, Aeromotive or Weldon all make good fuel pumps.

[ebxr8240]

Yep with good electrical supply...
DON'T skimp on cable size to pump / pumps....
Use std wire to activate relay..
Easy if battery is in boot..

[graham_h]

oh... I thought it was a straight swap out. Looking at a Walbro already installed in sender unit

[F6 JET]

graham ur not going to see the results like us boosted blokes do keep that in mind ok ur n/a and ull pick up a bit

dont skimp on the set up new fuel filter and change it reguarly as the e85 will clean ur fuel system very well and block up std filters more frequently

next get the gs340 walbro in tank can be had for less than 200 of fleebay

injectors are wide spread ask the bloke whose gunna be tuning it what he likes to use and go with that bosch 986's are cheep and any tuner can tune em

can be had for less than 300 off fleebay again

ur fuel hose may or may not like the e85 after a wile keep an eye in it and replace with e85 type hose if needed as the e85 will chew out any old hose real quick

[ebxr8240]

F6 Jet ... Yes .. ONLY one pump ??? Ahahah....
Keep an eye on current all the same...
Buy off a REPUTABLE eBay seller...
There's some shonks selling Chinese rubbish...

[F6 JET]

for n/a yeh one decent intank will do

if it was boosted without a doubt lift and surge

[prasac]

Originally Posted by F6 JET

graham ur not going to see the results like us boosted blokes do keep that in mind ok ur n/a and ull pick up a bit

dont skimp on the set up new fuel filter and change it reguarly as the e85 will clean ur fuel system very well and block up std filters more frequently

next get the gs340 walbro in tank can be had for less than 200 of fleebay

injectors are wide spread ask the bloke whose gunna be tuning it what he likes to use and go with that bosch 986's are cheep and any tuner can tune em

can be had for less than 300 off fleebay again

ur fuel hose may or may not like the e85 after a wile keep an eye in it and replace with e85 type hose if needed as the e85 will chew out any old hose real quick

what are the GS340 like with high fuel pressure?

[Giant]

Why not keep the standard injectors and upgrade the to the XR6T fuel rail and regulator so the injectors flow at the XR6T rate.

[JOSH]

anyone know somewhere around Sydney that i can buy 205 drums of e100?

The last place i got them from has shot through.

[prasac]

Originally Posted by JOSH

anyone know somewhere around Sydney that i can buy 205 drums of e100?

The last place i got them from has shot through.

i'm not sure that you can get E100 might be why they shot through it's illegal to sell it as it pure from what i was told. i can sell ya a drum of E99 if u like? PM me.

[OBW351]

how long will E85 last in a drum before it goes off

[prasac]

Originally Posted by OBW351

how long will E85 last in a drum before it goes off

it depends on who you talk to, some say 6 months, some 12months, some say years and years. i don't like them sitting around for more than 6-9 months. however, we have used a 12 month old blend and the car ran consistent numbers.

[OBW351]

wow i didn't expect it to have that long of a life

[prasac]

Originally Posted by OBW351

wow i didn't expect it to have that long of a life

alcohol, gets better with age

[CAT600]

Originally Posted by JOSH

anyone know somewhere around Sydney that i can buy 205 drums of e100?

The last place i got them from has shot through.

Call Matt Ingersoll at Manildra in Nowra, I bought 8 drums of E100 (its E98 really as we know it has to be denatured) from them in '08. They organised freight to Sydney CBD at extra cost for me back then, so should still be ok now.

Daniel

[graham_h]

What did that cost Daniel ?

[CAT600]

Was $1.40 per litre plus delivery. I think I equated it to just under $1.70 per litre to Sydney.

Daniel

[graham_h]

Originally Posted by CAT600

Was $1.40 per litre plus delivery. I think I equated it to just under $1.70 per litre to Sydney.

Daniel

Thanks
They've got a Brisbane warehouse, might get it from there

[JOSH]

Just added some of that vp racing m2 fuel additive, this time I got the candy scent... Smells so awesome!!

[prasac]

Originally Posted by JOSH

Just added some of that vp racing m2 fuel additive, this time I got the candy scent... Smells so awesome!!

it's always good to add it, especially if your going over 85% ethanol content.

[graham_h]

Ferrari E85

[blueoval]

Impressive Ferrari. Thats a significant power increase

[graham_h]

Non turbo too......isn't it ?

[F6 JET]

Originally Posted by prasac

what are the GS340 like with high fuel pressure?

perfict........std fitment in any basic upgrade for xr6t

[prasac]

well the E85 has just shown a level of detonation protection i have never seen before. still using the United E85, we went out to the track a couple weeks back. new driver in the car has only driven it once before.

did some checking ran the car up on the dyno today, low fuel pressure 20psi. 2 of the 3 fuel pumps we had weren't working (bad wiring) so you can imagine we were pretty ****ed off as the driver said fuel pressure was fine which it couldn't have been.

i was checking the logs at the track i thought we were getting faulty readings but both fuel sensors showed the same AFR. so, we checked the plugs. funnily the plugs didnt show it was lean nor was there any signs of detonation. the AFR's on the 4 runs was between 14.7 and 16.5 we are amazed no damage has been done.

[rednose]

Originally Posted by prasac

well the E85 has just shown a level of detonation protection i have never seen before. still using the United E85, we went out to the track a couple weeks back. new driver in the car has only driven it once before.

did some checking ran the car up on the dyno today, low fuel pressure 20psi. 2 of the 3 fuel pumps we had weren't working (bad wiring) so you can imagine we were pretty ****ed off as the driver said fuel pressure was fine which it couldn't have been.

i was checking the logs at the track i thought we were getting faulty readings but both fuel sensors showed the same AFR. so, we checked the plugs. funnily the plugs didnt show it was lean nor was there any signs of detonation. the AFR's on the 4 runs was between 14.7 and 16.5 we are amazed no damage has been done.

So Pras, are you saying that we dont need to worry too much about the inconsistency from the bowser?Tested the Flex at Moorebank yesterday and found it to be about 72%

May end up doing a United 85% tune and that way I can just switch between the 2 tunes