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19-06-2011, 03:47 PM | #121 | |||
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19-06-2011, 03:47 PM | #122 | |||
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19-06-2011, 04:10 PM | #123 | |||
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Was considering SSV Commodore, GS was simply too pov for the money. Ended up choosing against the Commodore because the execution of interior was sub-par. Focus RS was also in the running, but RS250 gave basically the same level of performance for far less money. What's your point? |
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19-06-2011, 04:16 PM | #124 | |||
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If Ford's base model V8 is out of the reach of most, and people are happy to buy other brands, it is indeed Ford's problem. |
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19-06-2011, 04:45 PM | #125 | |||
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Your Renault is a hot hatch not a full size sport saloon and you can buy hot hatches for $20k so yours is grossly overpriced........or was it you just could not afford a large performance car with the level of gadgets you expected and had to settle for a little one instead.....your choice.... |
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19-06-2011, 04:53 PM | #126 | |||
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20k HOT hatch? Where? I was in the same boat when i bought my car, i could have bought an XR6T, (not a V8, but still a large performance car) but didnt, money wasnt the reason. the reason was i dont need a big heavy RWD performance car, and i didnt want it to spend anymore time at the dealer then it needed to be.
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19-06-2011, 05:05 PM | #127 | ||||||
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In terms of standard equipment, the Renault hoses the Falcon/Commodore. It might not be as big, but I'm not an overweight neanderthal who simply cant fit into anything smaller, and so I have options. |
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19-06-2011, 05:15 PM | #128 | |||
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I was actually looking at a Falcon (not performance variants, but base model ute and XR6) but I had a lot of issues sourcing a manual one, I found a base model ute in manual, which was old stock but never been registered/driven but they wanted $32K for it (GTFO), I offered $27,500 and they basically told me to stop wasting their time. I was offered a 6sp auto ute for $26,000 at another dealership but I didn't want auto. I gave up and started looking at TDCI cars and ended up with my Focus. |
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19-06-2011, 05:27 PM | #129 | |||
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You bought what you wanted that had the features that you considered to be most important. Obviously V8, RWD, full size, FORD or any of the other features of the GS were not on your list. But I am wondering at what price and feature set would you have been a overweight neanderthal instead of a latte sipping metrosexual? |
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19-06-2011, 05:30 PM | #130 | |||
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It's a base model FPV, some say there's not enough bells and whistles, some say it's overpriced, some say it's a car and it has a motor that runs. Those that can 'easily' afford a GS, very rarely complain about those things. End of the day, the same arguments keep getting rehashed over and over...the V8 is not in Ford's lineup, it's in FPV's...deal with it, move on and stop moping over what was...if they bring it back, good, if they don't...no one is going to die...
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19-06-2011, 05:42 PM | #131 | ||
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And this thread shows examples of the disconnect between the Falcon and its former buyers,
they wish it well but don't feel that the car is the best fit for their needs and budget. I smile when people say that bringing back a wagon/XR8/Fairlane would somehow improve the Falcon's viability and answer all the critics with a wow range of products. The cost of those vehicles verses the expected return says that it's better not to have them. Quite interestingly, Ford is now giving both Mondeo and Falcon every chance to shine, so I wonder if they are looking at both and wondering if just one car could be developed to cover both markets and whether that car would be locally developed or a variation on an import. I guess only time will tell which way Ford hops, in the meantime we should sit back and watch the show... |
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19-06-2011, 05:44 PM | #132 | |||||
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RWD... meh. Any car can oversteer. Full size... had a BA. Full size and yet couldnt carry much in it... boot too shallow, rear doors too small to get anything large on the back seat. A hatch OTOH, acres of useable rear space. The GS was ruled out because compared to the same price SSV-redline, it was poor value. If the SSV is then ruled out, it stands to reason the GS is definitely not in the running. Quote:
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19-06-2011, 06:03 PM | #133 | |||
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FORD is not a consideration? It seems that AFF is filling up with people who have little or no interest in FORD except to bleat on about who bad it is...... |
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19-06-2011, 06:24 PM | #134 | |||
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19-06-2011, 07:05 PM | #135 | |||
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I guess you can't spend all your time on a Renault Australia forum cause it would probably have 7 members. Seems to be a common theme for people to go onto a site for a product they have no interest in just to ***** on it for something to do. Losers. |
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19-06-2011, 07:25 PM | #136 | |||
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Whatever you want to say, noones debating why their sales are tanking. |
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19-06-2011, 09:26 PM | #137 | ||
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I don't know if ford cops it more here or on a holden forum.
It's bloody sad, Everyone seems to hate ford these days even those that don't even like cars! It's pathetic. Ford may as well just pack up and tell em all to get *&^%$# |
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19-06-2011, 09:38 PM | #138 | |||
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Agreeing with Flappist (I think that's the second time this year ..... )
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19-06-2011, 09:45 PM | #139 | ||
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Thats funny AUSLANDAU :-)
I think I agree with flappist think 2nd time this month. |
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19-06-2011, 09:48 PM | #140 | |||
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I have a novel idea for all the haters. Click 'log out' and don't come back here.
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19-06-2011, 09:51 PM | #141 | ||
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I 2nd that but anytime I stick up for Ford in this forum get called One-eyed.
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19-06-2011, 09:57 PM | #142 | |||
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19-06-2011, 10:00 PM | #143 | ||
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See ....told you.
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19-06-2011, 10:01 PM | #144 | ||
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couldnt resist sorry.... haha
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19-06-2011, 10:15 PM | #145 | ||
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All good ...I FEEL THE love....Better get back on topic before we get slapped.
I do beleive alot of members have lost their love for Ford I also wonder why they bother to write on a forum where they are not passionate about the product. I mean should I be on a Holden forum after having owned a Holden for a couple years and not being happy with it, be bagging it every chance i get? P.s I have never owned a Holden ( FORGIVE ME AHMEN). |
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19-06-2011, 10:15 PM | #146 | |||
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Yep. Thats why Falcon is dying, guts spilled onto the tarmac being pecked at by crows... |
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19-06-2011, 10:22 PM | #147 | |||
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Usually a big fan of what you have to say mate, But check out my Garage in my sig. I love them all, but guess which one has more gadgets, is more fun to drive, better built, and which one I want the keys to every time I am not driving to a site or carrying timber or a trailer.. Worth every one of the $48g's that Renault is. I thought you were more auto savvy than making a comment like that. |
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19-06-2011, 10:23 PM | #148 | |||
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They have some good products, just poor marketing. Oh.. and i was silly enough enough to own a Holden, a car which was labelled a "lemon" by all. Yet oddly enough I didnt mind it, it was after all, my first car.
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19-06-2011, 10:28 PM | #149 | ||
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48g's and you can't drive to a site or carry a load of timber AND take a trailer????? Bloody hell ..... you've been had!!!!!!
But anyways .... each to there own. Quality isn't the issue why Falcons are not selling .... I don't know the exact reason as there are a few that have already been mentioned above but there are to many cars out there where there suspect quality hasn't effected sales and the fact is .... the FG is a good car and especially for the money!
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19-06-2011, 10:33 PM | #150 | |||
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The Renault is a high end hatch and priced accordingly but there are entry level hatches for $20k that do most of the things the Renault does except not quite as quick or as many gadgets. In the same way the FPV GS is an entry level sports saloon. It does not have the gadgets etc. of a M5 or C63 but is basically the same car, a big sedan with a powerful engine. It does not matter how good the Renault is it is a hatch, not a sedan, not a ute, not a truck and definitely not an elephant. So the price of gadets lists of elephants, trucks, utes and sedans are irrelevant if you want a hatch and vice versa so comparing them is pointless. Saying the GS is no good and a Renault is comparative choice is just silly, it is like comparing beer and tomatoes...... |
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