drive.com.au tests new Ecoboost Falcon! - Page 5

csv8 · 30-04-2012, 08:29 AM

and the Mondeo !!! if I was after a 4cyl car in that price range, the i45 or Kia Optima would be in my radar..they are much better equipped...not a 4cyl Falcon,,

Joe5619 · 30-04-2012, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Angeldust

biggest issue here i see is the pricing.

37k for a base model car is way way too steep, when u can get a top line asian import for less than 30K.

You can almost have 2 kia/daewoo base model for that price too.

That is RRP.. NO-ONE pays that for anything. I wish Ford would fix this to be honest. A lot of price quoting was done in the reviews & they are just so for off the real price that I'm sure it put people off & it is not even close to a real price!!

The G6E limited is 37K driving away, which is not base in any way!!

And CSV8, I won't pay 2 cents for a piece of crap I45 & kia Optima!!

Road_Warrior · 30-04-2012, 08:48 AM

Not everyone is obsessed with stupid interior trinkets like triple automatic xenon sunroofs with computer torque control

The RRP is a moot point anyway because Ford have said they are targeting fleets with this car and this means the fleet buyer will have access to the requisite national fleet discounts and if you're a government fleet buyer, no GST...

drwevil · 30-04-2012, 09:25 AM

The Holden Cruze is sold in some parts of Asia as the Daewoo Lacetti Premiere...man I'd be cut if I brought a Cruze and found that out. I know the Daewoo is a Cruze but still there is that connection.

The ecoboost is so much more than the Cruze but I agree 37k is beyond us and if we had the $$$ is buy one in a heart beat.

csv8 · 30-04-2012, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

That is RRP.. NO-ONE pays that for anything. I wish Ford would fix this to be honest. A lot of price quoting was done in the reviews & they are just so for off the real price that I'm sure it put people off & it is not even close to a real price!!

The G6E limited is 37K driving away, which is not base in any way!!

And CSV8, I won't pay 2 cents for a piece of crap I45 & kia Optima!!

Its the G6 Limited ..not G6E Limited..what I was getting at was, Ford need to lift their equipment levels, the G6E is really a tarted up XT, nothing really says "luxury".. when you see what Hyundai, Kia, Mazda etc offer for the price...

csv8 · 30-04-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Not everyone is obsessed with stupid interior trinkets like triple automatic xenon sunroofs with computer torque control

The RRP is a moot point anyway because Ford have said they are targeting fleets with this car and this means the fleet buyer will have access to the requisite national fleet discounts and if you're a government fleet buyer, no GST...

No they don't but a flux capacitor with Brock Polariser would suit me !!!!!! Audi are experimenting with finger control, you point at what you want the car to do and it does it it !!!!

Joe5619 · 30-04-2012, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by csv8

the G6E is really a tarted up XT,

That can be said about every car.. they are all just tarted up base models!!

However, top models always have features the base models do not & the Falcon is no different!!

.FoMoCo. · 30-04-2012, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Angeldust

biggest issue here i see is the pricing.

37k for a base model car is way way too steep, when u can get a top line asian import for less than 30K.

You can almost have 2 kia/daewoo base model for that price too.

I beg to differ.

10 years ago the RRP for a basic BA XT was $34,650, even a BF XT was only 2 grand shy of ecoboost at $35,880, now 7 years ago.

I reckon that price is about right, and as others have said, RRP is never what you actually pay.

As for buying 2 kias or daewoos, neither will seat 5 adults in comfort and tow a boat up an incline....

prydey · 30-04-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

and the Mondeo !!! if I was after a 4cyl car in that price range, the i45 or Kia Optima would be in my radar..they are much better equipped...not a 4cyl Falcon,,

i'm sorry but you are looking at it all wrong.

this is not for those who are looking for a 4cyl, but those who are looking for a large car that is cheap to run.

people like you also keep banging on about equipment levels in mondeo and hyundai being so much better but i don't agree. there are pro's and cons to each and every car and personally i'd buy a falcon over those mentioned every time.

Road_Warrior · 30-04-2012, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

No they don't but a flux capacitor with Brock Polariser would suit me !!!!!! Audi are experimenting with finger control, you point at what you want the car to do and it does it it !!!!

So what happens when you scratch your nose, the airbags go off?? Seriously, the level of crap and driver aids in cars these days are getting to ridiculous levels and are adding more distractions for drivers in an environment they simply can't afford to be distracted in. Distraction on the road kills people.

mike_nofx · 30-04-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It was done a number of years ago when a base model Falcon 6 was lapping quicker than what the PhIII was doing back in the 70's. Thats progress for you, better tyres, suspension, brakes etc.

Any links to the test?

nstg8a · 30-04-2012, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by .FoMoCo.

As for buying 2 kias or daewoos, neither will seat 5 adults in comfort and tow a boat up an incline....

theres that old chestnut again....

noone in their right mind will buy a ecoboost falcon, then throw 5 adults in it and drag the skiboat up to the lake with it.

so moot point...

Auslandau · 30-04-2012, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

theres that old chestnut again....

noone in their right mind will buy a ecoboost falcon, then throw 5 adults in it and drag the skiboat up to the lake with it.

so moot point...

Yes true ......... but you can buy a Falcon I6 for the same price which ticks the above ..... or an EcoLPI if you want the economy. Choices!

**DFB FGXR6** · 30-04-2012, 06:00 PM

[QUOTE=.FoMoCo.]I beg to differ.

10 years ago the RRP for a basic BA XT was $34,650, even a BF XT was only 2 grand shy of ecoboost at $35,880, now 7 years ago.

I reckon that price is about right, and as others have said, RRP is never what you actually pay.
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I agree. Also note that while the the current XT is a few grand more expensive than the above, they dont come with the many features that are now standard. 6 Speed auto (instead of 5 speed man), four power windows, DSC, 6 airbags, alloy wheels (instead of wheel covers) just to name a few. Option a BA/BF with those features and the cost of the current car looks great value to me.

pottery beige · 30-04-2012, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Ecoboost falcon Vs phase III GTHO around Bathurst.... Outcome?

another old chestnut.. who cares.. watch and learn.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tAM5tc1hag

Nikked · 30-04-2012, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by .FoMoCo.

As for buying 2 kias or daewoos, neither will seat 5 adults in comfort and tow a boat up an incline....

Whinge whinge whinge...

"it wont do this wont do that"

Most people towing boats have some form of 4x4 or utility....

.FoMoCo. · 30-04-2012, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

theres that old chestnut again....

noone in their right mind will buy a ecoboost falcon, then throw 5 adults in it and drag the skiboat up to the lake with it.

so moot point...

Would you consider someone to be not "in their right mind" to attempt that in an AU falcon I6?

AUIII forte : 157KW @ 4900 rpm, 357NM @ 3000 rpm

Ecoboost 2.0 : 179KW @ 5500 rpm, 353NM @ 2000 rpm

Have a careful look at those numbers, think for a minute and tell me which Kia/Hyundai can provide the space, comfort and pulling power to match th FG EB...

Caravans boats and trailers have been towed around this country by big sixes since Adam was a boy... And some of them wouldn't hold a candle compared to this 4 cylinder for torque and power.

What is a "moot point" is comparing a Korean buzz box to the large car that is winning everyone over with it's power and handling. This thing is punching well above It's weight.

.FoMoCo. · 30-04-2012, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Whinge whinge whinge...

"it wont do this wont do that"

Most people towing boats have some form of 4x4 or utility....

who's whinging?

why do people constantly come on these forums saying kia/daewoo/hyundai better value than falcons? The thread is about Ecoboost falcon...

There's a whinge for you.

nstg8a · 30-04-2012, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by .FoMoCo.

Would you consider someone to be not "in their right mind" to attempt that in an AU falcon I6?

AUIII forte : 157KW @ 4900 rpm, 357NM @ 3000 rpm

Ecoboost 2.0 : 179KW @ 5500 rpm, 353NM @ 2000 rpm

Have a careful look at those numbers, think for a minute and tell me which Kia/Hyundai can provide the space, comfort and pulling power to match th FG EB...

Caravans boats and trailers have been towed around this country by big sixes since Adam was a boy... And some of them wouldn't hold a candle compared to this 4 cylinder for torque and power.

What is a "moot point" is comparing a Korean buzz box to the large car that is winning everyone over with it's power and handling. This thing is punching well above It's weight.

whats an au forte weigh compared to a fg2?

the kia optima diesel i test drove before buying my fg was definitly a comfy well appointed, and imo, a better built car than the fg, it was the somewhat boring performance that put me off in the end. so two out of three from a 'korean buzzbox' aint bad

as for winning everyone over, who's everyone?

the journos? hmm, well when they bag a falcon theyre imbeciles and dont know what theyre talking about, but say something nice, and all of a sudden its gods truth?

convenient isnt it...

the first drive by a member from this forum was decidedly negative.

look, im a fan of the ecoboost, and i hope it can be the savour for the falcon, but to say its better than its competition because of things that noone would generally do with it anyway is clutching at straws.

imports have come a hell of a long way in the last 10-15 years, and it is just pure ignorance (and damn near bordering on racism) to dismiss them purely based on the badge on it.

Franco Cozzo · 30-04-2012, 08:37 PM

To me its interesting that the 2L Ecoboost in the Falcon is rated at 179KW, but the same engine in the FWD LW Focus ST is 184KW?

Bossxr8 · 30-04-2012, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Any links to the test?

No sorry. It was in Wheels or Motor or some other mag years ago. A BA maybe?

anto · 30-04-2012, 08:49 PM

all the people going on about how good a Hyundai is, hHave you actually driven a new one properly back to back with its competitors? they are cheap for a reason.
All the fancy tech and gadgets cant mask its shortcomings.

.FoMoCo. · 30-04-2012, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

whats an au forte weigh compared to a fg2?

ecoboost is 67 kilos heavier.

Road_Warrior · 30-04-2012, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

To me its interesting that the 2L Ecoboost in the Falcon is rated at 179KW, but the same engine in the FWD LW Focus ST is 184KW?

Well...the Focus ST is quite clearly a performance car and has the engine at a higher state of tune. The Ecoboost Falcon is a fleet hack with the odd private buyer here and there, a performance tune isnt going to sit real well with fleet buyers.

4.0i OHC · 30-04-2012, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

whats an au forte weigh compared to a fg2?

the kia optima diesel i test drove before buying my fg was definitly a comfy well appointed, and imo, a better built car than the fg, it was the somewhat boring performance that put me off in the end. so two out of three from a 'korean buzzbox' aint bad

Kia Optima diesel? Not in Australia, sorry.

4.0i OHC · 30-04-2012, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by anto

all the people going on about how good a Hyundai is, hHave you actually driven a new one properly back to back with its competitors? they are cheap for a reason.
All the fancy tech and gadgets cant mask its shortcomings.

Steering being the main one.
I have nothing against buying cars made in South Korea (if they were made in North Korea, things would be different). It's just that Korean cars haven't done a thing to impress me.

Joe5619 · 30-04-2012, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

the first drive by a member from this forum was decidedly negative.

imports have come a hell of a long way in the last 10-15 years, and it is just pure ignorance (and damn near bordering on racism) to dismiss them purely based on the badge on it.

Where is this DECIDEDLY negative post as I didn't read that one yet?

Also, one could say alot of people arn't buying Falcon due to its badge!!

nstg8a · 30-04-2012, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.0i OHC

Kia Optima diesel? Not in Australia, sorry.

could have been mistaken, had tdci badges, and to be honest drove like a diesel. i never lifted the bonnet because after the drive i lost interest in it. i knew i would get bored with it pretty fast. i just assumed it was one.

drwevil · 01-05-2012, 03:04 AM

@nsyg8a calling it racism is a bit harsh .....

So I hate the Americans because I didn't buy a dodge or s Chrysler? I can see the logic in that...oh hanng on I brought a Ford ....
Or was it that some of these brands have poor write ups from actual users or very poor reliability history or the dealers wouldn't let me take a car for a drive?

4 years ago I didnt but a Holden because at the time many of their models were built in the Daewoo factory...with lots of input from Holden...

This time it was pretty much the dealer and Leaseplan's calculator that decided it. Even the Ecoboost would have cost me about another $2000 a year. Which is less than the extra paid for the Ecolpi.

Isn't it racism to tar a group of people with the same brush? Ie all those who didn't but a brand simply because of the brand....?

Hymmm I must hate the British for not buying a TVR...or Aston...

Rodge · 01-05-2012, 07:52 AM

@nsyg8a calling it racism is WAY harsh .....

Ford have now presented us with a great range of engines for the Falcon and its FPV versions.
SC V8, 310 Kw turbo 6, 270 Kw Turbo 6, Inline 6, Ecolpi 6, and now EB4 and yet we still have the "textbook experts" doing the bleating.

No they don't have some of the very latest electronmic gizzmo's that some of the imports do but then again the imports don't have many of the attributes offerred by the Falcon either and most of the imports don't have their suspension tuned for Aust / N.Z. roads either.