Hyundai Genesis to target BMW

[zilo]

Originally Posted by danzvtil

Hyundai Genesis in THIS market.
You know, like Toyota Soarer and Lexus SC400, must be a replacement for a camry
You been breathing too much fresh air on that island of yours zilo

You missed the point cause you're too busy stalking.

They are both Hyundai....which makes them a piece of crap quality wise.

And....any Toyota is better than any Hyundai.


see the difference? it's a different colour as well...

[zilo]

Originally Posted by velvet

FORD FALCON
FORD FESTIVA (read the ID plate on one of these "kia motor co ford festiva")
Yep that makes them the same car too

What's that got to do with Hyundai

[zilo]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

In other markets there is no Hyundai badging on it.

Does removing the Hyundai badge improve the quality?

Maybe put a Chevvy badge on it like the commodore boys do?

[danzvtil]

Originally Posted by zilo

You missed the point cause you're too busy stalking.

They are both Hyundai....which makes them a piece of crap quality wise.

And....any Toyota is better than any Hyundai.


see the difference? it's a different colour as well...

You post information on a public forum community which is visible to all yet Im the stalker, get your hand off it.
You seem to have some hatred of Hyundai, so, go ahead and explain why they are so crap and how misled a whole bunch of satisfied car buyers are.
How is Toyota better than Hyundai? that pretty subjective, a Hyundai driver doesn't hop in their car, drive to work, and whinge that the journey would be more better if they were driving a Toyota.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by danzvtil

You post information on a public forum community which is visible to all yet Im the stalker, get your hand off it.
You seem to have some hatred of Hyundai, so, go ahead and explain why they are so crap and how misled a whole bunch of satisfied car buyers are.
How is Toyota better than Hyundai? that pretty subjective, a Hyundai driver doesn't hop in their car, drive to work, and whinge that the journey would be more better if they were driving a Toyota.

try to stay on topic and talk about the car maker (if you can)

I have a big bag of popcorn and huge diet coke so post why you reckon it's such a great quality improvement over the rubbish they sold me a few years ago.

[RANGEREST]

http://www.reliabilityindex.com/top-100
http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer/relIndex
All Hyundais' are unreliable just check out these links.

Looks like a Chev badge might actually help reliability,
I might have to get one for my Ranger,
Enjoy the popcorn and diet coke.

[usernametaken]

From above

1. Daihatsu
2. Honda
3. Suzuki
4. Toyota
5. Chevrolet
6. Hyundai
7. Mazda
8. Ford
9. SKODA
10. Lexus

[RANGEREST]

Originally Posted by usernametaken

From above

1. Daihatsu
2. Honda
3. Suzuki
4. Toyota
5. Chevrolet
6. Hyundai
7. Mazda
8. Ford
9. SKODA
10. Lexus

Yep. If Hyundai is as bad as zilo is making them out to be,
you would have to give all the makes below them, and according to some
the one at 5, a wide berth

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by zilo

huge diet coke

Be careful bro that stuff kills you quicker than the real deal If I have it or anything with aspartame in it instead of good ol' regular sugar, gives me problems.

I think the Genesis is fighting an up-hill battle purely based on their name, there are a lot of people out there who still think they are doing below par cars.

Still plenty of Excels getting about, still plenty of Festivas too (Kia), at least now they're starting to get half decent interiors going and doors that close with a thud rather than a slap.

The only Korean company I wouldn't buy a car from is Daewoo/GM Korea and thats not because I'm a "Ford fan".

[zilo]

Originally Posted by velvet

Yep. If Hyundai is as bad as zilo is making them out to be,
you would have to give all the makes below them, and according to some
the one at 5, a wide berth

FFS where are all the other car makers in the world?

Great wall vehicles are where?
Porsche is where?
Ferrari is where?
BMW is where?


Oh I get it...it's a list of cars under 30k.

just you forgot to mention that little selective statistic gem.

Been sucking eggs with my diet coke for a while now mate, no need for lessons from you.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by zilo

FFS where are all the other car makers in the world?

Great wall vehicles are where?
Porsche is where?
Ferrari is where?
BMW is where?


Oh I get it...it's a list of cars under 30k.

just you forgot to mention that little selective statistic gem.

Been sucking eggs with my diet coke for a while now mate, no need for lessons from you.

Did you read the report?
of 50,000 warranty policies assessed the 'better' brands ranked

Volvo at 26
BMW at 29
Jaguar at 29
Mercedes at 32
Audi at 34
Alfa as high as 36
Porsche 38
and Bentley at 39
so plenty over 30K and it would seem in the real world, not the fairy land many live that price doesn't necessarily mean reliable!

JP

[zilo]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Did you read the report?
of 50,000 warranty policies assessed the 'better' brands ranked

blah..blah..

so plenty over 30K and it would seem in the real world, not the fairy land many live that price doesn't necessarily mean reliable!

JP

The third party warranty company that runs that site will not collate non-warranty stuff that a lot of people care about.

Door handles falling off, trim rattles, squeaky seats, faded dials, paint that peels off.

Try to make an extended warranty claim on a Hyundai engine that exhibits "fair wear and tear" by burning oil....

Selective statistics are great for delusional tight asses who justify a poor choice of vehicle, usually for their wife/daughter/female who want what they think will be a cheap car to run.

The problem with the Genesis is it will be mutton dressed as lamb.

No matter how much clear coat you put on a terd it still remains a terd.

Genesis will be great for those who want to prance about pretending they are wealthier than they actually are.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by zilo

The third party warranty company that runs that site will not collate non-warranty stuff that a lot of people care about.

Door handles falling off, trim rattles, squeaky seats, faded dials, paint that peels off.

Try to make an extended warranty claim on a Hyundai engine that exhibits "fair wear and tear" by burning oil....

Selective statistics are great for delusional tight asses who justify a poor choice of vehicle, usually for their wife/daughter/female who want what they think will be a cheap car to run.

The problem with the Genesis is it will be mutton dressed as lamb.

No matter how much clear coat you put on a terd it still remains a terd.

Genesis will be great for those who want to prance about pretending they are wealthier than they actually are.

So an independent summary of 50,000 cars is just blah blah because it doesn't fit with your view of life and forces you to defend your choices?
I call myself average Joe. Been around the block a few times, take everything with a grain of salt, but find these independent results compelling. they point to trends not individual findings, and as far as I'm concerned, and fitting with my world view, the report stands up.
And im pretty mechanically minded, well versed in technical things, imagine the damage to your world when an average car purchaser sees this sort of summary. It must hurt mate. How are you going to blah blah them all down!
I for one wish Hyundai all the best, I wont be buying one, but I'm not in the market for that sort of car! Im happy with my cheap and cheerful falcon ute and reliable Japanese buzz boxes. That must truly rile you, as I fly in the face of your world order.
Sorry!

JP

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by zilo

those who want to prance about pretending they are wealthier than they actually are.

Simply owning a car is about pretending you are wealthier than you really are!

Look, I wouldn't buy a Hyundai, they're too bland for me but I don't have any doubt about their quality.

I'm surprised you Ford fans haven't commented on how Ford Europe has moved right up in the quality and reliability stakes in Europe in recent years. Well done. My quality engineer mate in Germany told me a few years ago that Fords are the best built German cars and it looks like he's right.

Hyundai is also regarded very highly in Europe where it's roared up the sales charts to nibble the tails of the big ones - and well ahead of Toyota and any other Asian brands.

[steve.zissou]

Originally Posted by zilo

The third party warranty company that runs that site will not collate non-warranty stuff that a lot of people care about.

Door handles falling off, trim rattles, squeaky seats, faded dials, paint that peels off.

Try to make an extended warranty claim on a Hyundai engine that exhibits "fair wear and tear" by burning oil....

Selective statistics are great for delusional tight asses who justify a poor choice of vehicle, usually for their wife/daughter/female who want what they think will be a cheap car to run.

The problem with the Genesis is it will be mutton dressed as lamb.

No matter how much clear coat you put on a terd it still remains a terd.

Genesis will be great for those who want to prance about pretending they are wealthier than they actually are.

I travel alot both here and over seas (mainly the US).

Hyundai's are one of my favorite rental cars and the Genesis is a great car that does go head to head with the Euro's and the high end Jap cars - and thats in america where Euro's are a hell of a lot cheaper.

You could look at me as a wannabe for driving a Hyundai but I would look at you as a try hard badge snob for driving around in a crappy 320 bmw for the same money.

I get the v8 genesis some times in the US and it is a nice car - but the Equus is very nice - thats what we should have got here. its the LS400 of this generation (reclining back seats are cool) and it also slows down for speed cameras. I cant afford to rent a s500 merc or 740 bmw or the like which are the only casr that i think beats the Equus for spec.

Get off the keyboard and go drive one - youll be impressed (they just need another 400 extra HP but thats just me

[zilo]

Originally Posted by steve.zissou

I travel alot both here and over seas (mainly the US).

Hyundai's are one of my favorite rental cars and the Genesis is a great car that does go head to head with the Euro's and the high end Jap cars - and thats in america where Euro's are a hell of a lot cheaper.

You could look at me as a wannabe for driving a Hyundai but I would look at you as a try hard badge snob for driving around in a crappy 320 bmw for the same money.

I get the v8 genesis some times in the US and it is a nice car - but the Equus is very nice - thats what we should have got here. its the LS400 of this generation (reclining back seats are cool) and it also slows down for speed cameras. I cant afford to rent a s500 merc or 740 bmw or the like which are the only casr that i think beats the Equus for spec.

Get off the keyboard and go drive one - youll be impressed (they just need another 400 extra HP but thats just me

I travel a fair bit to the US as well.

I rent a Corvette when there, and you rent the Equus.

Not my fault you can't afford to rent what badge your ego yearns for....(BMW 740 or S500 Mercedes)

But thanks for sharing your (mostly) off topic banter in a Hyundai thread.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

So an independent summary of 50,000 cars is just blah blah because it doesn't fit with your view of life and forces you to defend your choices?
I call myself average Joe. Been around the block a few times, take everything with a grain of salt, but find these independent results compelling. they point to trends not individual findings, and as far as I'm concerned, and fitting with my world view, the report stands up.
And im pretty mechanically minded, well versed in technical things, imagine the damage to your world when an average car purchaser sees this sort of summary. It must hurt mate. How are you going to blah blah them all down!
I for one wish Hyundai all the best, I wont be buying one, but I'm not in the market for that sort of car! Im happy with my cheap and cheerful falcon ute and reliable Japanese buzz boxes. That must truly rile you, as I fly in the face of your world order.
Sorry!

JP

Not really, you are entitled to your opinion and I enjoy opinions, even those I giggle at.

Just you're not eloquent enough to debate without going off topic at the messenger rather than the point and posting your life story at every opportunity.

That's me done in here, got something more stimulating to take care of.

[Nulon]

Having spent alot of time with this car 2 weeks ago, i can tell you it is a level about any Korean car ever... i would even say it is better than a 5 year old German car, the technology is amazing, The NCAP safety rating system is now being reviewed due to this (and a handful of other cars)... but to compare it against a brand new BMW/ Merc/ or Audi is a little tough, It is as big as the new S Class (we had them side by side) but the 1% details on the German cars are still what gets them across the line. If price was not a factor you wouldn't even look at the Hyundai (no Hyundai badges on the car by the way) but in this day and age price is one of the biggest motivators when buying a new car, so we think it will do well in a shrinking Lux car market

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by zilo

Not my fault you can't afford to rent what badge your ego yearns for....(BMW 740 or S500 Mercedes)

.

There you go! Zilo is obviously a rich man, he can afford what he considers to be luxury.
What Hyundai is offering to those of us who cannot afford a German taxi, who probably have never driven one anyway the opportunity to be that little bit closer to the opulence we strive for in our ride. at the price point I doubt many other manufacturers are offering a similar experience and I believe they probably will pull this one off!

JP

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by zilo

That's me done in here, got something more stimulating to take care of.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by zilo

But thanks for sharing your (mostly) off topic banter in a Hyundai thread.

He talked about a Hyundai in a Hyundai thread?

Originally Posted by zilo

That's me done in here, got something more stimulating to take care of.

Adding up BMW service recepts?

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

I wouldn't write it off.. People are buying the GT-r with a Nissan badge for $150k when they should be buying the Audi s4 or Mercedes c63.

You will never change, get off yourself
Im glad YOU are telling ME how to spend MY money on a car you think i SHOULD buy.

People buy what they want, not what others want them to. You need to learn this

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by DJM83

People buy what they want, not what others want them to. You need to learn this

There are a few others here that should learn it too.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by usernametaken

From above

1. Daihatsu
2. Honda
3. Suzuki
4. Toyota
5. Chevrolet
6. Hyundai
7. Mazda
8. Ford
9. SKODA
10. Lexus

Mitsubishi didn't make the top 10? doesn't somebody own a 380?
just being Cheeky Zillo.
I personally judge car, per car not brands, the stuff out of Korea in the last 5 years (except craptiva) has been pretty good, I even bought a Korean Tractor on purpose!

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Im glad YOU are telling ME how to spend MY money on a car you think i SHOULD buy.

People buy what they want, not what others want them to. You need to learn this

YOU SHOULD ALL BUY FORDS

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

What Hyundai is offering to those of us who cannot afford a German taxi, who probably have never driven one anyway the opportunity to be that little bit closer to the opulence we strive for in our ride. at the price point I doubt many other manufacturers are offering a similar experience and I believe they probably will pull this one off!

Trouble is, at that price range, there's the Mercedes-Benz C-class. For the price of a top of the range Genesis, I could get a C250.

While I don't doubt that the Genesis is a good car and a far cry from what Hyundai have dished up in the past, it is competing with premium German brands at that price, and I don't think it's a battle that the Genesis can win, certainly not in a market where there are customers at that price range who may cherish the badge more than anything.

If I had the money to buy a Genesis, I'd probably buy the C-class instead - not because the Genesis is no good, but because I'm a badge snob.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by NX74205

If I had the money to buy a Genesis, I'd probably buy the C-class instead - not because the Genesis is no good, but because I'm a badge snob.

Im no Hyundai fan, not defending their marketing position just calling BS on some peoples opinion.
I agree the Genesis is not for everyone, so does Hyundai, they are only aiming to sell 1000 per year and have no doubt they will achieve it.
I know expat Koreans going nuts for this car, they have scale models of Hyundai's on their shelves!
And despite what people like zilo think, not everyone wants to be in a BMW MB or other euro trash. Despite what Hulk claims not everyone uses a car to display wealth status and appendage size. some people by a car to get from A to B, safely and reliably in a value for money purchase. I'm willing to bet there will be enough purchasers who will choose the big Hyundai over the smaller c class.

I don't care if im wrong but just saying.

JP

[LoudPipes]

I know if you’ve got a family and the kids are teenagers than the C Class is of no use as there is no leg room for adult size rear passengers.
I wouldn’t cross shop something as big as a Genesis for something as small as a C Class if I had to carry more than one passenger on a regular basis.
Their prices may be similar but they fall into difference categories when it comes to size.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by NX74205

Trouble is, at that price range, there's the Mercedes-Benz C-class. For the price of a top of the range Genesis, I could get a C250.

While I don't doubt that the Genesis is a good car and a far cry from what Hyundai have dished up in the past, it is competing with premium German brands at that price, and I don't think it's a battle that the Genesis can win, certainly not in a market where there are customers at that price range who may cherish the badge more than anything.

If I had the money to buy a Genesis, I'd probably buy the C-class instead - not because the Genesis is no good, but because I'm a badge snob.

Thing is, Hyundai have openly stated that they are going for limo fleet sales with the Genesis. So like you, most private buyers would naturally choose the shiny German brands over the Genesis.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by tempted

Good luck with that. Most limo customers would run a mile if a Hyundai came to pick them up. I know I would.

Im willing to bet the vast majority of people wouldn't give a toss nor even know what they are being driven in, especially if it feels premium.

jp