April VFacts.. Falcon !!!!!! - Page 5

burnz · 03-05-2012, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

here's a couple of jeep ads. hardly anything about the car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlKHX...feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSf8v-3MNAc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBF1trsVEUk

so your telling me if ford released these tv commercials (just substitute ford or falcon everywhere where jeep is mentioned) that everyone on here would think they were the work of a genius??? the 3rd one is likely not a tv commercial, given it is a minute long, but is it selling a car or a dog?? the other 2, well, according to the experts on here, its impossible for them to work because they don't tell anyone all the intimate details about the engine and fuel type etc etc.

i take it everyone shops at supacheap and bunnings and the prices really are down at coles. we all use swisse vitamins and shave with gillette shavers....

advertising work's end of story....

you cant buy something that doesn't exists.... they dont make falcon anymore!
because no one know about it.

Nikked · 03-05-2012, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

I've said this before & I'll say it gain.. A TV add is not going to sell a car (come on, how dumb do you think people are??), It is there to get people to put the car on their "shopping list". It is then up to the dealers, website, the car feature, price, etc, etc. It is about people going "jeep, I might take a look at their website"... Believe it or not, there are allot of people that don’t know what a Falcon is, truly!!! When I buy my last Falcon in 2010, the number of people who said "who makes a Falcon" when I said I bought a Falcon even shocked me!!

I think you should think before typing...

OK, a few points..

-You say, an add wont sell a car, just put it on a shopping list. If a person then buys that car from the shopping list, the ad sold the car, yes?

-Your story about people not knowing who built the falcon, if an advertisement from for shows the falcon, then the ad is working, in drawing awareness...

prydey · 03-05-2012, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

advertising work's end of story....

i have never said it doesn't work. some people think the ONLY form of advertising is TV ads. wrong. very wrong.

me, and most i know, switch off during tv ads. thats when you get up to go to the toilet/make a drink/check emails/whatever...

tv ads are not cheap and there is a goauto article stating that ford won't be using this medium for falcon/territory, but will use other forms of media. tv ads are reserved for the cars that are in the growth segments.

burnz · 03-05-2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

i have never said it doesn't work. some people think the ONLY form of advertising is TV ads. wrong. very wrong.

me, and most i know, switch off during tv ads. thats when you get up to go to the toilet/make a drink/check emails/whatever...

tv ads are not cheap and there is a goauto article stating that ford won't be using this medium for falcon/territory, but will use other forms of media. tv ads are reserved for the cars that are in the growth segments.

what about the people who watch TT/ACA/sunrise/today show/the circle?
they are 100% ads/product placment, dressed as story's..

csv8 · 03-05-2012, 07:52 PM

The Jeep ad that ends "the only search engine you will ever need" thats good !! links the car with Gen Y .....then with Tezza, I can visit 1000 friends or haul ice up a mountain !!!

naddis01 · 03-05-2012, 08:15 PM

I think the thread title needs to be changed to April Advertising.

I guess I will look at the other Vfact thread to find some Vfacts.

Spammy · 03-05-2012, 08:19 PM

Driving a Jeep in the bush to places unkown and discovering hidden valleys is selling a dream and aspirational.

Not sure how you sell the dream when you are advertising a car that is percieived either as 1) the car your dad drove in the 70s 2) a taxi 3) the car you are given as part of your salary package when you don't have a choice.

jpd80 · 03-05-2012, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RASER

Yes, absolutely

Your calculations do not work like that

Both Ford and VFacts have the Territory in the SUV group, its a SUV not classed or counted as a wagon, none the less its doing very well in the SUV class, got its head in front of the Kluger [Why dont BigT [tm.f/0] do a DIEsel version?]

It does matter in terms of what is being built locally, being dismissive of combined production of
Falcon and Territory is therefore ignoring Ford's ability to produce many +$40,000 SUVs and even
the balance when Holden was running two shifts and exporting Commodore for dirt..

Auslandau · 03-05-2012, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RASER

Just as well Kia and Hyundai are sold as seperate brands, even though they are the same company = 38,257/pcs

WOW ..... if Holden and Daewoo added theirs together they would be winning ..... if it was a race?

The Falcon and the Territory are separate cars but the Terri has taken the slack for the wagon and many wagon buyers (me as well) buy them as a 'better' replacement for the old wagons. Main points ..... they are both developed, designed and engineered in Australia and as a combined effort are keeping a crap load employed at present and for quite a few years yet.

Focus, Mondeo and especially Ranger are unfortunately limited in production at the moment. For Ford to sell world wide everything they make and making a profit doing it says something one would think.

Being number 1 in Aust for the Mazda 3 isn't doing that company any favours at the moment

pottery beige · 03-05-2012, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Spammy

Driving a Jeep in the bush to places unkown and discovering hidden valleys is selling a dream and aspirational.

Not sure how you sell the dream when you are advertising a car that is percieived either as 1) the car your dad drove in the 70s 2) a taxi 3) the car you are given as part of your salary package when you don't have a choice.

your bagging of the ford product is getting old and booooring.....

Spammy · 03-05-2012, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

your bagging of the ford product is right on point and thought provoking....

thanks for the compliment

how do you feel about the hundreds of negative comments that everyone else makes on here ??

pottery beige · 03-05-2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Spammy

i am a big sook and i only come on here too sook..

see below champ.....

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11364547

EDManual · 03-05-2012, 08:57 PM

Ford making 2000 cars a month is still moving 2000 x and average of what $35000 = $70 million a month, or getting up near $1 billion turnover in a year. Its still not small bikkies.

Spammy · 03-05-2012, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

see below champ.....

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11364547

and your point is??? BTW own a LS1 and I'm on the LS! forum ...I think the difference is Ls1 owners are on average happy with the product. Whereas there appears to be a lot of Ford Fanatics (I have been a ford fan since my dad bought a new XB when I was a kid) who are disappointed and frustrated with the 2nd rate Ford experience that is all too common at the moment.

After years of BMW/Subaru ownership I thought I would buy a Ford "because they are world class now" ...what a mistake. The dealer was a moron, the warranty process drove me to point of legal action and the quailty of the car is just way to bad for a $47k car.

I'm not alone ....loads of members here have the same thoughts and I think we all agree that the Ford sales numbers show that people are voting with their wallets and going elsewhere.

Please don't reply with "old and boooring"....it's too ironic

**Silver Ghia** · 03-05-2012, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Spammy

and your point is??? BTW own a LS1 and I'm on the LS! forum ...I think the difference is Ls1 owners are on average happy with the product. Whereas there appears to be a lot of Ford Fanatics (I have been a ford fan since my dad bought a new XB when I was a kid) who are disappointed and frustrated with the 2nd rate Ford experience that is all too common at the moment.

After years of BMW/Subaru ownership I thought I would buy a Ford "because they are world class now" ...what a mistake. The dealer was a moron, the warranty process drove me to point of legal action and the quailty of the car is just way to bad for a $47k car.

I'm not alone ....loads of members here have the same thoughts and I think we all agree that the Ford sales numbers show that people are voting with their wallets and going elsewhere.

Please don't reply with "old and boooring"....it's too ironic

You can be lucky or unlucky with any make of car.

For me I'm quite fussy with my cars, and am now on my 3rd Falcon and still happy. I looked at the VE before buying the FG, but came back to Ford. From my experiences the Ford servicing leaves VW servicing for dead for value (my wife has a VW), plus there have been niggles with the VW from day of delivery, was unhappy with that dealer.

And I know of loyal Commodore owners who have had Commodores over the years, who are not happy with their VE.

Nikked · 03-05-2012, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Spammy

<snip>

You need to remove the second "m" and "y" from your name...cauze thats all you are doing...

pottery beige · 03-05-2012, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Spammy

and your point is??? BTW own a LS1 and I'm on the LS! forum ...I think the difference is Ls1 owners are on average happy with the product. Whereas there appears to be a lot of Ford Fanatics (I have been a ford fan since my dad bought a new XB when I was a kid) who are disappointed and frustrated with the 2nd rate Ford experience that is all too common at the moment.

After years of BMW/Subaru ownership I thought I would buy a Ford "because they are world class now" ...what a mistake. The dealer was a moron, the warranty process drove me to point of legal action and the quailty of the car is just way to bad for a $47k car.

I'm not alone ....loads of members here have the same thoughts and I think we all agree that the Ford sales numbers show that people are voting with their wallets and going elsewhere.

Please don't reply with "old and boooring"....it's too ironic

go trade that horrible car on a mazda......

Spammy · 03-05-2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

go trade that horrible car on a mazda......

I would if it had any resale value but like all other Fords it's basically worthless.

pottery beige · 03-05-2012, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Spammy

I would if it had any resale value but like all other Fords it's basically worthless.

HUNTER8 · 03-05-2012, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Spammy

I would if it had any resale value but like all other Fords it's basically worthless.

If you promise not to come back we'll make up the difference in the trade in price for you.

Windsor342ci · 03-05-2012, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Spammy

I would if it had any resale value but like all other Fords it's basically worthless.

Are you for real?

Joe5619 · 03-05-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

-You say, an add wont sell a car, just put it on a shopping list. If a person then buys that car from the shopping list, the ad sold the car, yes?

I guess that is correct, but my point was the add is only the first step in selling a car, but it can still fall over at any number of steps after that. However if you miss step 1, you miss all the other steps too!! I was trying to counter balance someone saying "an add is not going to sell cars & therefore is useless".

Dont get me wrong, am all over advertising!! Ford need more for Falcon..

Windsor342ci · 03-05-2012, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Spammy

I would if it had any resale value but like all other Fords it's basically worthless.

Theres alot of bandwith on the street commo forum or elsewhere for your stupidity. Why would you come here and just talk crap?

Get of the mushrooms homie

Spammy · 03-05-2012, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CRYHSV

. Why would you come here and just talk crap?

When in Rome

MrZ · 03-05-2012, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Spammy

Driving a Jeep in the bush to places unkown and discovering hidden valleys is selling a dream and aspirational.

Not sure how you sell the dream when you are advertising a car that is percieived either as 1) the car your dad drove in the 70s 2) a taxi 3) the car you are given as part of your salary package when you don't have a choice.

Maybe if your dad was a bogan? In the 70s, my dad drove a Jaguar XJ6 sedan and by the end of the decade was in a BMW 7-Series.

Nikked · 03-05-2012, 09:50 PM

Spammy

ammirite?

**Professor Farnsworth** · 03-05-2012, 09:56 PM

seems so yes

Auslandau · 03-05-2012, 09:58 PM

Great to come here and discuss the figures or ways that things could be improved ..... constructively ........ but get very tired of those who just want to continue ill informed banter just to bait those many here who enjoy the product.

Any one got a real problem with their cars ....... these are the forums to discuss it but to carry on like a spoilt kid will just end up in a crap fight.

Stops now. Back to topic thanks

jpd80 · 03-05-2012, 10:56 PM

I'm just curious as to why Ford is only intending to build around 2,000 Ecoboost falcons between now and December..
I'd would have thought that the car would sell way more than 250 per month, maybe low numbers are now spooking them...

Maybe Ecoboost is another engine now in short supply globally......

Nikked · 03-05-2012, 11:03 PM

Who knows, if it does better then expected they might pump out more...but, realisticly, you could say that the EcoBoost might only attract 20% more...

the next few months will be interesting.