Countdown to new LPG I6 - Page 5

prydey · 23-03-2011, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Resurrection

Spare tyre will be optional.

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Meaning they haven't fixed the tyre in the boot problem.....

to me that doesn't fit the statement they made about 'eliminating the packaging issues'. surely they didn't just mean removing the spare??!!

PoweredByCNG · 23-03-2011, 09:42 PM

The only way that Ford can free up the spare wheel well is to reduce the size of the LPG cylinder(s). This would compromise full-to-empty range. A 90L (usable) tank in an LPI Falcon would give a range of approximately 700km assuming average consumption of 13L/100km.

Remember that with LPI, you cannot run the tank empty. You need to have 3-5L of LPG remaining in the tank to satisfy the fuel pump.

XR Martin · 23-03-2011, 09:44 PM

Runflats perhaps?

Brazen · 23-03-2011, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Runflats perhaps?

Im thinking a can of goop. Runflats are very expensive and compromised.

jpd80 · 23-03-2011, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Im thinking a can of goop. Runflats are very expensive and compromised.

On average in the USA, you'll pay about $400 a piece for good run flat tyres.

PoweredByCNG · 23-03-2011, 11:00 PM

In Europe, cars fitted with LPG from the factory or by factory-approved installers come with an electric pump that plugs into a car's power outlet and a can of tyre sealant. There's generally no need to have a spare unless you're going bush.

spvd02 · 23-03-2011, 11:20 PM

It needs a spare, esp. for highway driving. Have you ever seen the result of a blowout at high-speed? No amount of goob is gonna fix a shredded tyre.

If something like that happened, what do you do if you're in the middle of the sticks?

PoweredByCNG · 23-03-2011, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by spvd02

If something like that happened, what do you do if you're in the middle of the sticks?

Read my comment please:

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Originally Posted by PoweredByCNG

There's generally no need to have a spare unless you're going bush.

FPV GTHO · 23-03-2011, 11:32 PM

Space savers arent rated for high speed, so i guess in that respect the can of goop is no worse there.

Joe5619 · 24-03-2011, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PoweredByCNG

There's generally no need to have a spare unless you're going bush.

Rubbish!!

Paxton · 24-03-2011, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

Rubbish!!

I agree. I had a nail in my tyre just recently, and I find it hard to believe a can of goop would have fixed that. The Spare (original, by the way) went straight on, and I continued my day.

PoweredByCNG · 24-03-2011, 01:35 PM

Let's face it. The majority of car owners wouldn't have the slightest about how to change a tyre.

Paxton · 24-03-2011, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PoweredByCNG

Let's face it. The majority of car owners wouldn't have the slightest about how to change a tyre.

No, they just ring the NRMA.

I was forced to change all four tyres on my first car by my father. I wasn't allowed to leave my street in the car until I could do them all.

I won't buy a car without a spare. I don't even like runflats.

PoweredByCNG · 24-03-2011, 02:13 PM

Nothing wrong with roadside assist.

It's not like a punctured or flat tyre is a daily occurrence.

dimka100 · 24-03-2011, 02:18 PM

You are so lucky in the old days wheels used to be small and relatively light …. Imagine if your dad made you change a set of 22” chromies LOL

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Originally Posted by Paxton

No, they just ring the NRMA.

I was forced to change all four tyres on my first car by my father. I wasn't allowed to leave my street in the car until I could do them all.

I won't buy a car without a spare. I don't even like runflats.

prydey · 24-03-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PoweredByCNG

Nothing wrong with roadside assist.

It's not like a punctured or flat tyre is a daily occurrence.

do you expect roadside assist to carry around a range of spare tyres? lack of spare could mean getting towed rather than just replace a wheel.

Buntz · 24-03-2011, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PoweredByCNG

The only way that Ford can free up the spare wheel well is to reduce the size of the LPG cylinder(s). This would compromise full-to-empty range. A 90L (usable) tank in an LPI Falcon would give a range of approximately 700km assuming average consumption of 13L/100km.

Remember that with LPI, you cannot run the tank empty. You need to have 3-5L of LPG remaining in the tank to satisfy the fuel pump.

I don't know the official fuel economy of the previous e-gas. But I was expecting better than that.

jpd80 · 24-03-2011, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

to me that doesn't fit the statement they made about 'eliminating the packaging issues'. surely they didn't just mean removing the spare??!!

I take packaging issues to mean a more streamlined system that fits better
in the engine bay, a lot of work was done to make the plumbing a lot neater.

I doubt that anything much has happened with fuel tanks and spare tyre well,
there's a real problem with finding room and I doubt FoA have bent the laws of physics..

prydey · 24-03-2011, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

I don't know the official fuel economy of the previous e-gas. But I was expecting better than that.

previous egas official figures for fg are 14.9 combined. 20 urban, 11.9 extra urban.

Buntz · 24-03-2011, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

previous egas official figures for fg are 14.9 combined. 20 urban, 11.9 extra urban.

13 would be pretty good then. And at current gas prices... a very popular choice for new car buyers. Ford just need to brag about it in many media outlets.

chris11726 · 24-03-2011, 10:35 PM

I would have though the Holden motor would require less work for a factory lpg option. It already has direct fuel injection.

Modern diesel engines will fire up straight away theres no wait.

He's a thought why not use a small 'surge' tank under the bonnet, when you turn the key an electric high pressure pump fires up to provide Llpg until the main system has a chance to purge?

naddis01 · 24-03-2011, 10:44 PM

LPI is not direct injection so why would the Holden motor require less work?

chris11726 · 24-03-2011, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

LPI is not direct injection so why would the Holden motor require less work?

Because it can be injected directly into the combustion chamber under high pressure. It will be more precise and fuel efficient then vapor in the intake manifold.

PoweredByCNG · 24-03-2011, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by chris11726

Because it can be injected directly into the combustion chamber under high pressure. It will be more precise and fuel efficient then vapor in the intake manifold.

There is currently only ONE LPG system in the world that is a true DIRECT injection system and that is the ICOM JTG HP system which is yet to be released in Australia. Holden are using either IMPCO-BRC or Orbital for their next LPG engine. One would hazard a guess that the Alloytec 3.6L V6 will live on in this new LPG guise.

Resurrection · 24-03-2011, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by chris11726

I would have though the Holden motor would require less work for a factory lpg option. It already has direct fuel injection.

Holden's new LPG engine is based on their PFI engine, not their DI engine.

Brazen · 24-03-2011, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PoweredByCNG

There is currently only ONE LPG system in the world that is a true DIRECT injection system and that is the ICOM JTG HP system which is yet to be released in Australia. Holden are using either IMPCO-BRC or Orbital for their next LPG engine. One would hazard a guess that the Alloytec 3.6L V6 will live on in this new LPG guise.

Have you heard anything about the rumoured LPG Cruze?

PoweredByCNG · 24-03-2011, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Have you heard anything about the rumoured LPG Cruze?

Nothing more than what everyone else has heard.

I have had a look under the bonnet of a developmental FG EcoLPI and I must say that if you don't know what you're looking for, you'll have trouble seeing the LPG gear!

prydey · 25-03-2011, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by PoweredByCNG

I have had a look under the bonnet of a developmental FG EcoLPI

did you pop the boot dave?

**Mechan1k** · 25-03-2011, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by PoweredByCNG

Nothing more than what everyone else has heard.

I have had a look under the bonnet of a developmental FG EcoLPI and I must say that if you don't know what you're looking for, you'll have trouble seeing the LPG gear!

Interesting.
Still hoping for the mid-year release for this as well.
Will be interesting to see the vehicle in the metal though ... and get some real-world figures from it ... and reviews as well.

dimka100 · 25-03-2011, 11:02 AM

A Question:

What is the octane rating of GAS in Australia? Is there a particular standard for that fuel? What is the quality/consistency level of GAS fuel in Australia?

A while back I used to fill up with 95 octane with added ethanol petrol from one of the local Taxi United petrol stations … after seeing what it did to my fuel filter my mechanic said to never go to these petrol stations again … I never did and never had an issue since … I wonder if GAS will be good from these stations?

Thanks