fastest holden ever claims joshua dowling

[Lardman]

Originally Posted by Mighty Reds

The ZL1 performance hasn't exactly set the world on fire, why will this be any different.

Because the ZL1 wasn't sold anywhere else but the states, maybe?

And for a coupe, it's not particularly appealing when you can get a 599GTB 2nd hand, a GT3, etc in Europe and things like that.

A Saloon has much more appeal to those wanting a performance car without the drawbacks.

As for looks - subjective. If you don't like it, good. Nobody's forcing you to buy it. I personally like it, provided they do the tail lights properly. A few tweaks to the front and it would look seriously good.

Technology in it is great, good to see adaptive damping back. This can seriously compete with the euro offerings, and I don't see how competition is a bad thing at all. Stop complaining and tell people to buy it so we see more things like it. It's a great thing as far as I'm concerned for anybody who likes driving, especially if it drives more interest in the industry/enthusiasm.

[1TUFFUTE]

all you clowns dissing the negative remarks here....are clowns. The reason for the negativity, is that this car is being praised as a world beater an there is ZERO evidence because the car hasn't even been revealed yet.
The manner with which the journos are talking about the car...and its competitors, is what gets everyone fired up about comments on power and domination and so on.
Not to mention the complete disrespect to the GT, GT Rspec and F6. All of which currently hand HSVs proverbial **** to them.

And the Ferrari suspension comment by dowling is a massive suck up too....its a hsv proguct sold to Ferrari...not the other way around....and they haven't used it yet.
The car is ugly(looks great inside tho)
The car is astronomically expensive for what you can buy in Australia that will do the same or close performance. From what dumbling says...it better FLOG the GT Rspec around a track and up a strip. It has to at that price .Somewhere else was quoting $120k plus

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by MethodX

The E49 was quicker, and the late version of the HG Monaro was one tenth slower over the quarter mile.
about evens it up.

Oh and the phase 3 was beaten by the XU-1 in 72.

once again, please use facts - the 3 manufacturers did not build 1/4 mile cars. they built cars to win bathurst. when did any charger win . . . . . . . . still waiting for them to actually

and 72, was ran under different rules, not production car rules - if you have actually followed touring car racing, you will understand that from 72 onwards the cars were no longer what the manufacturer sold, but cars built within specifications that the officials let them build them to


comparing any australian car to the phase 3 is like comparing any other car to the mclaren f1 or veyron - only the blind think the other pieces of crap get anywhere near




in my opinion this car is ugly. the front and rear do not suit the side profile. the headlights and tail lights have a distinctive asian look about them, then again so did the v-why's as well and the vd was stolen straight from europe - great all round aussie car . . . . not

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

once again, please use facts - the 3 manufacturers did not build 1/4 mile cars. they built cars to win bathurst. when did any charger win . . . . . . . . still waiting for them to actually

and 72, was ran under different rules, not production car rules - if you have actually followed touring car racing, you will understand that from 72 onwards the cars were no longer what the manufacturer sold, but cars built within specifications that the officials let them build them to


comparing any australian car to the phase 3 is like comparing any other car to the mclaren f1 or veyron - only the blind think the other pieces of crap get anywhere near




in my opinion this car is ugly. the front and rear do not suit the side profile. the headlights and tail lights have a distinctive asian look about them, then again so did the v-why's as well and the vd was stolen straight from europe - great all round aussie car . . . . not

So just because the charger didnt win bathurst it isnt an Aussie classic?
Nor the XU-1? Odd thinking.
Ok Fords 77 1-2 was won under group C rules, not series productionm strike that win from the record then.

[SSVPom]

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

Looks to be the Chev SS model. Extra brightwork around the door handles, dual exhaust instead of quad, plastic finish (no paint) around front license plate and of course Chev badges, SS badge and LHD.

The white car had a single exhaust each side, SV6 style... However had Brembos so must have been a V8
EDIT: just re-read your post, you are right about the exhaust !

[302 XC]

Originally Posted by MethodX

The E49 was quicker, and the late version of the HG Monaro was one tenth slower over the quarter mile.
about evens it up.

Oh and the phase 3 was beaten by the XU-1 in 72.

Noone can 100 % confirm on deny wether the E49 was quicker or slower than the P3 as the way they tested them way back when was a dodgy as all hell, There were different papers/magazines,different methods, different tracks, different weather days,noone actually punted them both together on the same track,day and time
Hence all we can do is hype or assume
Yes the P3 got beaten by a 6 pot torrie,wow
What about all the P3 destroyed,we don't get credit for that ???
As mentioned 20 years after the P3 stopped being made brock took the best brockadores against it around Bathurst,holdens got destroyed
We don't get credit for that either
It was an animal,its not legend due to pumped up hype,its legend because it made its mark in automotive history
The P3 was still winning races years after they stopped building them

[mik]

Originally Posted by MethodX

The E49 was quicker, and the late version of the HG Monaro was one tenth slower over the quarter mile.
about evens it up.

Oh and the phase 3 was beaten by the XU-1 in 72.

A few people say that, but i have never ever seen a charger beat a gt at the drags, never seen a charger win bathust.
As for the xu1 yes they had a win on the day , but only due to blind luck, have a look at the race.

[falconnut]

Why dont Chrysler bring the dodge challanger out here?

Theres not many new rwd 2door sports cars that arnt old holdens and their faster than this thing stock

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Mighty Reds

Its strange but the VF feels like its been around for a little while now, yet I don't even know when the onsale date is.
I guess the nascar situation forced Holden to show the car earlier than they would have liked.

Not really, if you consider that VF was originally planned to be out a lot earlier and it's styling cues are common on various cars on our roads today it has a very "seen it all before" look or "that looks like a xxxx" comment".

[jrfttf]

I'm with the others who have commented, wonder what it will make at the rears, not the fly.

Be interesting to see how many of these will come out and survive, reckon the ones that make it to auction that have been bent around a tree or power pole will fetch top $$$ for someones project

Anyhow time will tell what will come of it all......

[Sorted]

Quick go out and buy personlised plates and resell for $10k on ebay

GENFSC
GENFV8
SCGENF
V8GENF
HSVGNF
GNFHSV
HSV430
430HSV
Etc etc

Easy money lol

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by MethodX

So just because the charger didnt win bathurst it isnt an Aussie classic?
Nor the XU-1? Odd thinking.
Ok Fords 77 1-2 was won under group C rules, not series productionm strike that win from the record then.

this is tooooo far off topic, so this is my last post on it

there are many classics in australian motoring history and the new hsv might become one, but
the phase 3 is the king, no ifs, no buts, no maybes

and bathurst 77 is the greatest result/finish in the history of the race
- a form finish with no pace cars, a total demolition which was not and cannot be repeated, no ifs, no buts, no maybes

[fgpsi]

Reckon it will look awesome

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

holden would love to have a car like the phase 3
and they would love to have a bathurst result like 77


we may not have as many memories as holden fans . . . . . but we have the 2 greatest that will never, ever, ever be equalled
plus the better looking cars

How many times has a factory Ford team won since mate?

[gtxb67]

yep i know, my tax dollars went a long way towards it
you would think i would love holden and be proud of everything they do, since it is my money, but i like to try and stand on my own 2 feet and only receive help when necessary and support those who do

[jpd80]

A bigger challenge I see for HSV is the base Clubsport 317 Kw V8 up against the GS Falcon..
When it comes to fun factor and bang for bucks, the GS has to rank as seriously good value

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Ryan

How many times has a factory Ford team won since mate?

The wins detailed above were in road registerable factory built vehicles that anyone could buy and use as a daily driver NOT in special purpose built race cars with artificial bodykits to make them look a bit like a road car.

But as you seem to think that race cars are no different to road cars would you like to detail all the Holden (or GM for that matter) victories in the Le Mans 24hr or perhaps Formula 1 or any of the world class events or series.......

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by jpd80

A bigger challenge I see for HSV is the base Clubsport 317 Kw V8 up against the GS Falcon..
When it comes to fun factor and bang for bucks, the GS has to rank as seriously good value

If they include interiors when they're judging then the gs will lose by a country mile... The gs interior is nice, for a pov pack stripped out muscle car. The hsv interior is a different class all together going by the pics seen so far.

It's funny though, there seemed to be so many calls for a car just like the gs, but I can't actually remember the last time i saw one on the road, or the last time a member on here bought one.

We are a fickle fickle fan base lol

[Blue Roo]

Originally Posted by MethodX

So just because the charger didnt win bathurst it isnt an Aussie classic?
Nor the XU-1? Odd thinking.
Ok Fords 77 1-2 was won under group C rules, not series productionm strike that win from the record then.

******!

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

If they include interiors when they're judging then the gs will lose by a country mile....

I was talking about performance.....

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by flappist

The wins detailed above were in road registerable factory built vehicles that anyone could buy and use as a daily driver NOT in special purpose built race cars with artificial bodykits to make them look a bit like a road car.

But as you seem to think that race cars are no different to road cars would you like to detail all the Holden (or GM for that matter) victories in the Le Mans 24hr or perhaps Formula 1 or any of the world class events or series.......

Where did I say that? I'm not out for a ****ing contest mate. It was just a harmless poke that's all.

I don't or shouldn't need to detail anything.

[gtxb67]

game over ryan

[natedog]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

If they include interiors when they're judging then the gs will lose by a country mile... The gs interior is nice, for a pov pack stripped out muscle car. The hsv interior is a different class all together going by the pics seen so far.

It's funny though, there seemed to be so many calls for a car just like the gs, but I can't actually remember the last time i saw one on the road, or the last time a member on here bought one.

We are a fickle fickle fan base lol

So maybe my pov pack GS is the real collectors item....

When I was shopping for a new car I did consider an SS or an xr 6 turbo, but performance for $$$ got the GS across the line for me.

Now I've had it tuned it pees on any SS or HSV I've rolled against

Bang for buck is just awesome!!

[stazza]

+1 about the GS

Mine cost $54k drive away with 700kms on the clock, leather trim, premium audio. I then got a generic tune and 2 dyno runs for $600.

$54,600 and has 100kw over the HSV that is twice the price.

Cool, the HSV has some expensive suspension - mine is lowered to how I want it, so big deal.
HSV has some Torquey Diff **** - Big whoop, seriously.
And okay, it has some nice gadgets inside, HUD etc..., thats really cool and all, but I honestly do not regret the purchase of my GS at all, not in the slightest.

I grew up with Fords, and it's embarrassing to see so many Holden topics on a Ford forum, let alone so many 'Ford' fans that will jump ship for a HUD, fancy suspension and a fancy diff.

I'll stick with Ford through thick and thin. Yes it is hugely disappointing seeing them release dismal updates when we all know they easily have the ability to do better, and have had many a chance to well and truly beat HSV at their game, but big deal, I love Fords.

You'll not see many Holden fans jump ship, ever, no matter what. They are so god damn patriotic of their brand. Maybe if the majority of Ford fans were as passionate as the Holden fans, we would be in a better position.

But then to be honest, the Ford community is far less bogan and red-neck as the Holden community. I work with about 10:1 Holden to Ford people, and they are the most ignorant and arrogant pieces of ****.

I've even had my previous XR8 ute keyed to the sh*thouse when it was 2 days old by a Holden fan, becase it was a Ford (I didn't know him, but found out about it). Also had the tyres slashed AND it egged when I left it parked in Perth once. I'm glad to be a Ford fan, no matter what happens. You won't see me key a commodore or slash the tyres or egg it, but I certainly will not ever step foot in one as an owner, ever.

[CAT600]

Originally Posted by Ryan

That looks hot. Now just **** off those poxy Chev badges.

Better off leaving them on, there will only be a set added later anyway.

Daniel

[stazza]

Well it's just my experiences. That's just the tip of the iceberg, but I think I've said more than enough. Maybe it's different in other states. I went to the Gold Coast 2 years ago actually, saw many a Chev badged bombadore on the main drag. Thought maybe over there things would be different, but the Gold Coast is full of trash tbh.

BTW we hired a VE SV6, my mate who paid is a Holden fan, and putting all bias aside, it was atrocious. I have no idea how they sell. I know the pillar obstruction is a controversial topic, but I definitely noticed it, and I did not enjoy driving the car at all. Slow, rock hard seats and suspension, crappy gearbox, etc...

Stevz - Get over it mate. You're on a Ford forum, expect someone to stick up for the brand.

It's nothing to do with maturity, I work with 40+ year old blokes that drive commodores and I've heard worse come from their mouths.

[UberKnee]

What I want to know is how many Porsches cant do 0-100 in 4.5 seconds?

It'll be nice if this is all true, of course its been rumored and 'reported' numerous times in the past. Holden might finally have some competition for Ford powerplant wise.

Thats a bad photshop though all they did is slap an E2/3 bumper on the new SS body.

[Auslandau]

Holden boys Timeline ......

2004 ... "Its all about the power!"
2008 ... "Its all about the handling!"
2013 ... "Its all about the power!" (GTS buyers)
2013 ... "Its all about the handling!" (Clubsport buyers)

Arguments to suit the situation I guess

Also .... Don't forget this will be a $100,000 PLUS car, and I will still say it, will be surprised when it comes to fruition.

Also .... Don't forget, the standard, and comparable to Fords offerings are still N/A and will have the lower rated figures. 317 and 325. These are the models that should be compared to the FPV range.

Also .... Don't forget, the FG is a 2008 model, this is the 2013 model where the trump card will be offered in 2014 by Ford. Whether they bring out a GTS beater is to be seen but they did it with the W427. Price difference between the W427 & GTS ..... were people ripped off if they can get the new super dooper model to around 100k? Someone is going to be annoyed!

Also ... Don't forget, this is predominantly a Ford site where many enjoy and like their Fords more than other models so if someone does not like it nor want it, tuff titties. Thats the way it is. Want warm and fuzzy's? LS1.com is your friend. So no one should get all sooky because some Ford faithfuls do no like ....

Also ... Do not like the way the VF is shaping up. Artist impression or not, the look is also very Camry to my eyes.

Cheers

[UberKnee]

Price is a huge point, while they happily bad about the fact that its cheaper than an upspec Euro, even with all the new tech, C63's, RS4s, M3s, M5s, etc still have a lot more tech and will undoubtedly still be faster round a track than the near on 2 ton Commodore.

And a GS is half the price of the GTS and makes similar power despite Ford underrating the power figures.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by prydey

many will say 'kudos to holden' but when the company is in financial strife, is it really appropriate to pour money in to these types of projects?

Ford/FPV/whoever did in a falling large car segment with the S/C 5L, and Holden are coming off a much larger sales volume.