Would it be worth trading my FPV GT in on a new Mustang?

[lra]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Wrong, there are no 4 door Mustangs ....

4 door Mustang ?
Pleeze explain.

[whitelion65]

And I thought it was a pony car!!!
The new Mustang may have more of a leaning towards a GT or even a Muscle car!

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by lra

4 door Mustang ?
Pleeze explain.

All of the cars you mention above are simply new top hats on a sedan platform.

[PG2]

Gentlemen

I can see where this thread is degenerating to - sports car, coupe, hardtop etc...

Ira, you are correct, the OP appears to have made his decision and this thread has effectively run it's course, however, I have left it running to give people an avenue to express their opinions on what they would rather own.

If people want to start picking on other member(s) for technicalities (what sort of car the mustang is etc) then thread will be closed.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

N/A Mustang low power, yet more kw than supercharged falcon?

Not really.
Mustang hits 339kw, at 7000rmp, and only only 98.

GT topped out at 351kw, but could hit 400 in over-boost.

And more to the point, its that 600nm+ and flat torque-curve that put the s/c version over the top.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by PG2

Ira, you are correct, the OP appears to have made his decision and this thread has effectively run it's course, however, I have left it running to give people an avenue to express their opinions on what they would rather own.

I certainly would not say no to either. If I won a Mustang in a raffle, I would certainly keep it.
If I won $1M in lotto, gotta be honest, after paying off the mortgage, I'd be shopping for a nice GT-X.

Need to remember that these cars are luxury items, and as such personal preferences are very important.
If we're buying new dual-cabs for work, then a strict analysis of the facts is required. However if you were buying the same thing as your weekend getaway car, then personal choice and badge loyalty are just as important.

Money permitting, I can still see a Mustang in my future, as a daily.
Again, personal preference, but for me it would be a convertible. I hate to admit it, but I love driving the Saab with the top down. And that's something a Mustang can offer that a Falcon never could. (But for somebody that hates convertibles, it would not be a consideration.)

[arronm]

In the real word an N/A mustang cant be compared to to a supercharged falcon. The mustang has little potential for upgrades where the falcon its the sky is the limit. Small cash = great upgrades.

Its 2018, if you dont have a forced induction car you really dont have engine performance....

[au350hp]

Its 2018, if you dont have a forced induction car you really dont have engine performance....

I remember in the 1980's all the debates in the car magazines about turbo's & blowers Vs a well built injected motor and how each side thought they had the best set up.

[Batmobile]

Originally Posted by Roostercam

Its 2018, if you dont have a forced induction car you really dont have engine performance....

I remember in the 1980's all the debates in the car magazines about turbo's & blowers Vs a well built injected motor and how each side thought they had the best set up.

Agree - once you driven a forced induction car it's so hard to think that you could accept a naturally aspirated car. Love the allure of the supercharger whine. The whine alone gets me excited , the performance is a added bonus

[DK30RB]

Originally Posted by arronm

In the real word an N/A mustang cant be compared to to a supercharged falcon. The mustang has little potential for upgrades where the falcon its the sky is the limit. Small cash = great upgrades.

Its 2018, if you dont have a forced induction car you really dont have engine performance....

For not a lot of money you can blow the doors of a GT with the tickford upgrades on the mustang.

Stage 1 Specifics $16k
670HP (500kW) | 739Nm
85mm Supercharger Pulley

Stage 2 Specifics $20k
727HP (542kW) @6850rpm | 827Nm @ 5000rpm
Higher boost 80mm Supercharger Pulley
NGK Hi-performance Spark Plugs
High-flow Fuel Injectors
Preset Fuel Pump Control Module

[Batmobile]

Originally Posted by arronm

In the real word an N/A mustang cant be compared to to a supercharged falcon. The mustang has little potential for upgrades where the falcon its the sky is the limit. Small cash = great upgrades.

Its 2018, if you dont have a forced induction car you really dont have engine performance....

I am a little confused by your comment "Mustang has little potential". Based on what I have seen from those whom have supercharged their cars the results look very good. Agree you must be prepared to inject $15+k before the magic starts

[DK30RB]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Not really.
Mustang hits 339kw, at 7000rmp, and only only 98.

GT topped out at 351kw, but could hit 400 in over-boost.

And more to the point, its that 600nm+ and flat torque-curve that put the s/c version over the top.

Yet a stock 2018 mustang beats GT and GT-F 0-100 and will probably beat them both around the track.

The gearbox in the GT hobbles the performance. The 10 speed in the mustang goes a long way towards giving it better performance than the engine numbers suggest.

I would have loved to see a 2019 Falcon with Magneride, 10 Speed, adjustable exhaust, digital dash and Supercharged 5.0 - i would be first in line with a deposit - but sadly it was never meant to be.

Oh and for the record the GT-F was 351kw, the regular GT was 335.

Its easy to have a ****ing competition and quote numbers but at the end of the day drive them back to back. I do..I have both to compare......I love my Xr8 but its outdone by the mustang...... Its not a bad thing, its progress, the last falcon design is over 10 years old now. We want to see the next car better than the last. Its a win for everyone.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Batmobile

Agree - once you driven a forced induction car it's so hard to think that you could accept a naturally aspirated car. Love the allure of the supercharger whine. The whine alone gets me excited , the performance is a added bonus

Same here. From a gentle wine at low speeds to remind you what lurks beneath, to a high pitch shrill as the mighty Miami chases its red line, its certainly a engine with much character.

On the flip side, in the Mustang I love nailing the perfect up shift, slamming the throttle back to the floor and savoring the intake noise as it sucks air. Naturally aspirated engines still have an appeal.

[DK30RB]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Same here. From a gentle wine at low speeds to remind you what lurks beneath, to a high pitch shrill as the mighty Miami chases its red line, its certainly a engine with much character.

On the flip side, in the Mustang I love nailing the perfect up shift, slamming the throttle back to the floor and savoring the intake noise as it sucks air. Naturally aspirated engines still have an appeal.

Can't forget that sensational exhaust system in the 2018 versions. The sound is superb.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Not really.
Mustang hits 339kw, at 7000rmp, and only only 98.

GT topped out at 351kw, but could hit 400 in over-boost.

And more to the point, its that 600nm+ and flat torque-curve that put the s/c version over the top.

Even the 2011 GT that the OP owns? Unless I’m wrong, are they not 335kw?

[eaglem]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Even the 2011 GT that the OP owns? Unless I’m wrong, are they not 335kw?

Mine is a 335 Kw as I think most late model GT's are

[GTP534]

I’m surprised no one has mentioned ... cough ... diff bushes!

[Bent8]

Originally Posted by DK30RB

Its easy to have a ****ing competition and quote numbers but at the end of the day drive them back to back. I do..I have both to compare......I love my Xr8 but its outdone by the mustang......

What sort of testing have you done... G-tech ?

Have you taken either car down the quarter mile ?

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by DK30RB

Oh and for the record the GT-F was 351kw, the regular GT was 335.

What's your point?
As I said: "GT topped out at 351kw, but could hit 400 in over-boost"
Nobody's disputing that older versions had less power, mine was 302kw.

Originally Posted by DK30RB

Yet a stock 2018 mustang beats GT and GT-F 0-100 and will probably beat them both around the track.

My bad, yes for those not aware, should probably point out that the Mustang is substantially smaller and lighter.
End of the day, the GT was still a Falcon, a large 4 door Saloon. Whether you want to call it a Sportscar, Coupe, or Pony-Car, A Mustang is still a Mustang.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Even the 2011 GT that the OP owns? Unless I’m wrong, are they not 335kw?

Was there a point in there somewhere?

Or, since you obviously know that I was referring to the final GT (as a point of comparison against a car released two years later)
and since you can see that I was not replying to the OP,
can we just assume that you are once again being pointless?

[au350hp]

At the end of the day, one is American and one is Australian. Whilst they both have the famous blue badge, I will take the GT everyday of the week, regardless of power output or lap times simply because I 'm proud it's an Australian car. I love Mustang's and everything they represent, but I have always loved our local product.

[arronm]

Originally Posted by DK30RB

For not a lot of money you can blow the doors of a GT with the tickford upgrades on the mustang.

Stage 1 Specifics $16k
670HP (500kW) | 739Nm
85mm Supercharger Pulley

Stage 2 Specifics $20k
727HP (542kW) @6850rpm | 827Nm @ 5000rpm
Higher boost 80mm Supercharger Pulley
NGK Hi-performance Spark Plugs
High-flow Fuel Injectors
Preset Fuel Pump Control Module

Not many owners will spend that < BUT for the price of a cat back and tune the FG will end up about 426rwkw. The 2017 mustang 317rwkw.

I was talking about cheap power.

But if you are cashed up HEY.

http://www.xtremefordtuning.com.au/i...sh-MM-R727.pdf

[GT0132]

I've been looking at every review and gathering as much inormation on the mustang over the past 2 weeks as I'm about to take the plunge and get one. The common thread seems to be what the stang lacks in power over the FPV it makes up for in a much more enhanced driving experience.

I get the FPV has a zillion kw of power but if that was the main incentive for me I would have bought one 8 years ago. I didn't and instead kept my BA GT for 13 odd years instead. A car I'll still hold on to if I buy the Mustang .

The Mustang is common thats for sure and testament to the fact they are highly sought after.

The FPV GT is not made anymore, is an Aussie icon and will therefore become a collectible and increase in value in time while the Mustang will become a mass produced POS with every 2nd guy over 50 years of age with a mid life crisis owning one some will say. Who knows but I'd guess that 90% of people don't buy cars for investment purposes.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Was there a point in there somewhere?

Or, since you obviously know that I was referring to the final GT (as a point of comparison against a car released two years later)
and since you can see that I was not replying to the OP,
can we just assume that you are once again being pointless?

Since as usual in all of your ramblings you have gone off topic in typical Crazy Dazz style, I’ll remind you that the OP created this thread to decide between keeping his GT or buying a mustang.

So why use performance figures of a model of Falcon the OP doesn’t own? The FACT is, if the OP bought a new Mustang it’d have more power, and perform better than his current GT.

[DK30RB]

Originally Posted by Bent8

What sort of testing have you done... G-tech ?

Have you taken either car down the quarter mile ?

I've done the sort of testing that 99.9% of people do. I drive them in differing conditions everyday. Traffic, Freeway, Stop Start, some winding roads etc.

Magazine's and reviews already tell us all which car can go 0-100 quicker etc.

I'm talking about comparing them while driving them the way we all do everyday. I travel close to 50,000km per year on all sorts of different roads in traffic conditions.

Have done 2500km in the mustang already. It feels more responsive in traffic, has punchier in gear acceleration when overtaking, corners better, stops better, and has a nicer more complaint/controlled ride. Great sound system too. This...to me.... makes it a better car than the xr8. (for my tastes)

Sure, XR8 is great, goes hard and the supercharger sounds great. Cornering, stopping, ride, exhaust and sound system, not so great. Might have been good 10 years ago when it came out but things progress.

[Sabantien]

You can compare stats and technology until the cows come home.

But I reckon the only way to decide is to drive both and see which one gives you the biggest grin.

And no one can tell you which car will do that.

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Even the 2011 GT that the OP owns? Unless I’m wrong, are they not 335kw?

The Miami engine is a floating number power wise.
In it's absolute worse case scenario (think middle the the desert and 70°) it will produce 335kw. That same motor will be 400+ a lot of the time.

Gt-f is in a league of its own and is way over 400. Remember it spanks hsv's so-called 430 on a dyno.
Media think a gtf is 404kw. I've seen fpv numbers and they are way above that.

Everyone who owns a 335 quickly works out 335 is a bit of a joke.

Edit: compare a 2018 6 speed manual mustang and you will clearly see the advantage the 10 speed brings and also clearly see where the two engines sit in relation to each other.

[Batmobile]

Originally Posted by Sabantien

You can compare stats and technology until the cows come home.

But I reckon the only way to decide is to drive both and see which one gives you the biggest grin.

And no one can tell you which car will do that.

To illustrate this journey , I had owed and loved the natural aspirated eight. The read the articles listen to those who drove the turbo . 6cy turbo - rubbish . Drove it back to back , in a manual then an auto and couldnt not wipe that silly grin . So I purchased one. Ford began advertising the hero car and I went through the same process - the FG 310 F6 has no match . I drove the supercharged 302 and now own both the turbo and supercharged 302. I now driven a few demo Mustangs and as much as I enjoyed what they had to offer at this stage I personally didn't feel the way I did when I progressively moved on to the turbo and 302.
Agree , you can the reviews , watch the YouTube clips until you're exhausted and prey that the journeys soon , but unless you able to do the test drives and feel the car under your bum under typically conditions you will never know what is best for you. Agree the discussion / knowledge helps but you will never know until your bum is in the seat

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

The Miami engine is a floating number power wise.
In it's absolute worse case scenario (think middle the the desert and 70°) it will produce 335kw. That same motor will be 400+ a lot of the time.

Gt-f is in a league of its own and is way over 400. Remember it spanks hsv's so-called 430 on a dyno.
Media think a gtf is 404kw. I've seen fpv numbers and they are way above that.

Everyone who owns a 335 quickly works out 335 is a bit of a joke.

Edit: compare a 2018 6 speed manual mustang and you will clearly see the advantage the 10 speed brings and also clearly see where the two engines sit in relation to each other.

Yet the 2018 Mustang is faster. That motor is wasted in the Falcon body. Too much weight and crap power down.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

The Miami engine is a floating number power wise.
In it's absolute worse case scenario (think middle the the desert and 70°) it will produce 335kw. That same motor will be 400+ a lot of the time.

Gt-f is in a league of its own and is way over 400. Remember it spanks hsv's so-called 430 on a dyno.
Media think a gtf is 404kw. I've seen fpv numbers and they are way above that.

Everyone who owns a 335 quickly works out 335 is a bit of a joke.

I do get that, but why did Ford sell themselves short on quoting power output?

https://www.motoring.com.au/grudge-m...prints-102423/

I have read articles such as this one which compare the GTS to the XR8 Sprint where the Sprint outdid the GTS.
Here they got 359kw at the wheels for Sprint with estimated 437kw at the fly, and 330kw at the wheels for GTS, with estimated 417 at the fly. Though still a torque advantage to the GTS.

So why under quote? My initial thoughts were that being a car provided by Ford to knowingly be compared to the GTS, Ford have likely tuned it for more power. It was apparently #001 XR8 Sprint, not just a random selected one.

But thats just me, I'm skeptical of everything.