Ferrari destroyed in Lilydale. Anyone know what happened? - Page 5

Smoke Pursuit · 27-07-2006, 02:56 PM

That is pretty bad, why anyone would wanna drive at those speeds on a public road is beyond me.

hppsc · 27-07-2006, 03:13 PM

just saw this in the paper. Bloody horrible. I'm sorry to say, but whether you die or not because of this, there's nothing on earth that should stop anyone who reads about this saying that he is a bloody idiot. I guess everyone that was sharing the road with him this morning better buy a lottery ticket. He did something extremely stupid, and paid the ultimate price. But that doesn't mean that he can be put up on some kind of pedastool and is not allowed to be judged..

ED Classic · 27-07-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruger

its very sad that 2 people lost their lifes
this reinforces the fact that you cant expect someone to buy a supercar or any fast car (be it a fpv, hsv, ferrari, lambo etc) and not expect them to open it up given the chance
the driver would have known the potential of the car and if i owned the car i would open it up every now and again too.

there should be a criteria to a car that if it meets a certain performance the driver should at least be given a advanced driver training course at least. this may encourage the driver to open it up but this could also encourage the driver to be a frequent at track days and it will give the driver extended knowledge given the situation he put himself in.

the ferrari is a whole lot of car and is more advanced than 90 percent of drivers on the road.

and driving at every day speeds of 60k's wont make you any more experianced when going 200+k's than someone who has half the experiance.
there is alot to learn by driving on the everyday streets but this will contribute very little to drivers doing double the speed limit.

wake up to yourself politics people speed and there is nothing you can do about it. train the people and encourage them to go to tracks to ease the temptation dont just put more speed cameras.

Yeah well said. I think the part about the car being more advanced than 90% of drivers is very true and of course majority would think they are great or heroe enough to be in the 10% but I highly doubt it. Only a Supercar driver or someone around or beyond that level would be a driver that can take that car to the limit and know the limit and when to stop. Whats everyones proffesional racing portfolio? Alot of people on here read that its only a second or so quicker than a GTP but the fact is that car will climb from 200-250kmh as quick as a GT will climb from 150kmh -200kmh. It is a supercar. Its not immune from an accident and who knows what happened anyway? Obviosly he was in the wrong to be speeding by so much but lets not assume he lost it. He may have had a truck pull out or a car block the road and he had nowhere to go so ran off the road to try avoid a multi car collision...Lets not judge.

hppsc · 27-07-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ED Classic

Obviosly he was in the wrong to be speeding by so much but lets not assume he lost it. He may have had a truck pull out or a car block the road and he had nowhere to go so ran off the road to try avoid a multi car collision...Lets not judge.

You kidding me? You're reading too much into this. The fact is, if he was travelling at the speed limit, he may have been able to avoid the truck, or car, without killing himself or the passenger.

We know what he was doing, we have a forum member here, crannersEL, who WITNESSED the ferrari driving in an unsafe manner.

You telling me I can't judge him, because he may have had an unexpected event happen in front of him that made him crash? The fact is, he shouldn't have been travelling that fast, or in the way he was, in the first place.

It's that simple.

ADSXR8 · 27-07-2006, 04:04 PM

Very very stupid, and a terrible situation. Condolences to families concerned, thank goodness this idiot did not kill a third party other than the innocent passenger.

Incidents like this upset me as my best friend was killed by a negligent motorist in similar circumstance. He was a pedestrian on a footpath.

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Originally Posted by Ruger

there should be a criteria to a car that if it meets a certain performance the driver should at least be given a advanced driver training course at least. this may encourage the driver to open it up but this could also encourage the driver to be a frequent at track days and it will give the driver extended knowledge given the situation he put himself in.

Personally, I think thats crap. These days, training people only encourages them.

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Originally Posted by Ruger

wake up to yourself politics people speed and there is nothing you can do about it. train the people and encourage them to go to tracks to ease the temptation dont just put more speed cameras.

FFS, stop blaming other people including pollies. If this bloke didn't die, I would like to have seem him locked up if its true he was reported doing 200km/h.

Having a licence is a privilage, and its not respected as such. Take responsilbilities for your actions.

**Professor Farnsworth** · 27-07-2006, 04:28 PM

i've travelled up that stretch of road dozens of times, when i used to live out that way. the warby highway is two lanes in a lot of areas, 80 and 90km/h from memory (probably changed now though) and is a sequence of straights and bendy hill climbs/descents.. It's a moron's paradise really. There are a lot of houses along it too, so it was quite literally suicidal to drive that fast on that road.

After having read another article, i also feel for the boyfriend of the girl who was killed. Such a stupid waste.

max · 27-07-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MYVYSS

Sam drives a Lambo not a Ferrari.

Thanks for clarifying that. I always get those mixed up! I knew it was fast, Italian and expensive. But gosh this thing is sending strong shock-waves, 6 pages of posts and its only gone 24hrs. A salutory and grim reminder to us all about the hazards we present ourselves with. RIP the deceased and condolences to those now in grief.

shane3 · 27-07-2006, 05:27 PM

just because the 2 cars were seen taking off together doesn't mean that they were drag racing AT the time of the accident!!!!, how many here have gotten a head of some one and kept on going?, I know I have!

Bobman · 27-07-2006, 05:31 PM

It's not the first time a fatal has happened around there though from what I remember, Maroondah Hwy is a bit dangerous too.

But ANY car at that speed would have killed you, don't know why some here emphasise so much on it being a Ferrari!

News said it was a 27 year old (not 22) woman who was only supposed to go for a quick drive.

Sad loss all the same :(

Bucknaked · 27-07-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Damo

I have seen that Ferarri caining it around my area on quite a few occasions. Good ridence, no condolences from me. Lucky he didn't take out another car, and I think the young lady obviously knew what she was up for getting into that car with the driver.

How can you be sure that this is the exact same ferrari in your area. People with money, usually have friends with money who drive the same cars. How many of your mates all drive E-Series?

For all you know, the guy you see is not this guy.

Jason[98.EL] · 27-07-2006, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BIGBIRD

**removed**

your a morbid morbid person lets keep it on topic

my wife and myself send our deepest condolances to all thae family and friends of the 2 that passed away

jason

ED Classic · 27-07-2006, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hppsc

You kidding me? You're reading too much into this. The fact is, if he was travelling at the speed limit, he may have been able to avoid the truck, or car, without killing himself or the passenger.

We know what he was doing, we have a forum member here, crannersEL, who WITNESSED the ferrari driving in an unsafe manner.

You telling me I can't judge him, because he may have had an unexpected event happen in front of him that made him crash? The fact is, he shouldn't have been travelling that fast, or in the way he was, in the first place.

It's that simple.

Anything could have happened that you dont know about. In regards to Cranners EL you dont need to repeat what has been said already only a couple of pages up. If the best you can do is a judge a dead person you seriously need a life..And a concsionce. It IS That Simple

Do you have any respect for friends or family that maybe on here?

rodderz · 27-07-2006, 06:36 PM

I have already put 2 posts in here warning about posting absolute crap and showing disrespect to those who are affected. I have started to delete those posts which are rubbish.

heljas and gthofan's posts were fine, they were only edited because it referenced the quote I deleted

If the posts dont contain sensible comments they will be deleted, or the thread closed

LUXO_8 · 27-07-2006, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rodderz

I have already put 2 posts in here warning about posting absolute crap and showing disrespect to those who are affected. I have started to delete those posts which are rubbish.

heljas and gthofan's posts were fine, they were only edited because it referenced the quote I deleted

If the posts dont contain sensible comments they will be deleted, or the thread closed

thank you, was getting sick of the morbid / senseless posts in this thread...

**Sorted** · 27-07-2006, 06:47 PM

The all knowing news just reported that the driver of the Ferrari was a good driver so they assume the Ford clipped it or hit it and that's why the Ferrari crashed

And have we all forgotten that Cranners saw this Ferrari before the accident "speeding" excessively - he did not see a Ford GT and I am very certain if he did he would of said so

So this Ferrari was speeding excessively before the alleged "drag race"

Does it say anywhere which set of lights where the alleged drag race started from? Was it even near where the Ferrari crashed.

As previously said the Ford may not have even been anywhere near when or where the incident happened.

Unless this Ford has some red paint on it I can not see how he or she can be charged with anything unless there are numerous witness's that saw it speeding.

Anyway its all alleged at the moment, I am sure in good time we will find out exactly what happened.

RIP to the (Angie)Female Passenger and the (Paul)Ferrari Driver

LUXO_8 · 27-07-2006, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DRHEMI

And have we all forgotten that Cranners saw this Ferrari before the accident "speeding" excessively - he did not see a Ford GT and I am very certain if he did he would of said so

So this Ferrari was speeding excessively before the alleged "drag race"

cranners said he saw A Ferrari, not THIS Ferrari.

whilst it seems more than a co-incedence that a ferrari was seen speeding, it may well not be this one....

XW Boy · 27-07-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DOC

We would all agree it's not funny, but i am confused by your sig ? a strong post with a conflicting message ??

Aaah was waiting for it, yes it does thrill, but my sig does not say, "speed on public roads" or "talk about a fatal acident on the net and have a go at people who have died" when they are not alive to defend themselves its a low act.

My post was not saying that it was right or wrong to speed on a public road by the way, i was saying that making jokes and having ago at people who have died (weather its from speeding, drag racing, or a heart attack!) and you know very well that there are people on this site who know them is just absolutly stupid and garbage like it should not be posted up.

Jason[98.EL] · 27-07-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rodderz

I have already put 2 posts in here warning about posting absolute crap and showing disrespect to those who are affected. I have started to delete those posts which are rubbish.

heljas and gthofan's posts were fine, they were only edited because it referenced the quote I deleted

If the posts dont contain sensible comments they will be deleted, or the thread closed

thats fine rodderz

im just getting sick of the stuff being said

jason

crannersEL · 27-07-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MADNC_8

cranners said he saw A Ferrari, not THIS Ferrari.

whilst it seems more than a co-incedence that a ferrari was seen speeding, it may well not be this one....

I would be 99% confident it was the same Ferrari, same model and colour in the same suburb breaking the laws by speeding.

**Sorted** · 27-07-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MADNC_8

cranners said he saw A Ferrari, not THIS Ferrari.

whilst it seems more than a co-incedence that a ferrari was seen speeding, it may well not be this one....

Same Suburb - Same Time - Speeding - more then a just coincidence

Anyway my post was more about the Ford Car and Driver - he or she seems to be getting a bad wrap thats all, the news is making him or her more likely not to come forward

hppsc · 27-07-2006, 07:02 PM

I don't understand how some people think, seriously..

stera · 27-07-2006, 07:27 PM

Its a dreadful thing that has happened and I have found some comments both amusing and disgraceful!

Its sad that this has happened and you feel for all involved, but who hasn't pushed the envelope from time to time, maybe not to that extreme, but you have to think of the level of life he would have lead. He was at the top of his game.

People are saying he was a dreadful driver, etc... How many knew his skills, even Craig Lowndes has accidents... Anybody heard of Aryton Senna, recognised as one of the greatest drivers in the world?? He messed up too... Once!!

gthofan · 27-07-2006, 07:38 PM

just remember guys, it could have been any car, why is it that a ferrari crashes, we are all shocked?? it could have even been a mazda 323 pulling 150 kmph!!! its not the point that a ferrari crashed, the point should be that such ridiculous speeds were achieved on the open road.

Group C · 27-07-2006, 07:47 PM

first of all, my sincere thoughts and wishes to the families of those who have been taken so tragically.

what gets me is how many people are having a go at the parties involved in this when they don't know any of the victims.
i bet the 'attitudes' would be different if they were someone they knew...

i have read some nice posts on here by a few users, which i think is fantastic that others that didn't know anyone involved can show honest compassion, but some others need to grow up, look past WHAT AND HOW it happened, and show some respect to those that have lost their lives and their loved ones that are left behind.
after all, the driver was a father of 4 young girls.

i live only a 2k's of the scene, and i'm not commenting any further.

MAGPIE · 27-07-2006, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by stera

Anybody heard of Aryton Senna, recognised as one of the greatest drivers in the world?? He messed up too... Once!!

Crikey this thread is really bringing out some stupid statements

**Professor Farnsworth** · 27-07-2006, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Group C

first of all, my sincere thoughts and wishes to the families of those who have been taken so tragically.

what gets me is how many people are having a go at the parties involved in this when they don't know any of the victims.
i bet the 'attitudes' would be different if they were someone they knew...

i have read some nice posts on here by a few users, which i think is fantastic that others that didn't know anyone involved can show honest compassion, but some others need to grow up, look past WHAT AND HOW it happened, and show some respect to those that have lost their lives and their loved ones that are left behind.
after all, the driver was a father of 4 young girls.

i live only a 2k's of the scene, and i'm not commenting any further.

I've witnessed a fatal accident unfold right in front of me on a freeway, and i stopped and rendered all the assistance that i could to the injured.. despite the fact they were drunk, stoned, and speeding. It's not like i was going to stand there and say 'well, you should have thought twice before being drunk and driving', i helped as much as i could. Having said that, it's still a public forum so people are bound to express their true thoughts on the situation.

As i've said before, condolences to the families, terrible event.

GTP 320 · 27-07-2006, 09:07 PM

Heard on the radio this afternoon, that the Police are going to check all the Silver GTs with orange stripes and check there whereabouts when this incidence happened.
Cheers John

FPV8U · 27-07-2006, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GTP 320

Heard on the radio this afternoon, that the Police are going to check all the Silver GTs with orange stripes and check there whereabouts when this incidence happened.
Cheers John

They are getting pretty serious about catching whoever was in the GT/GT-P (If it was one) arn't they!

I imagine there are quite a few Silver/Orange FPV's registered in all of Vic

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**Professor Farnsworth** · 27-07-2006, 09:17 PM

It's going to keep them pretty busy, that's one of the most popular GT combinations... lightning strike with orange stripes. Could also have been an xr8 with stripes, or xr6 even. Unless they have 100% ID from a few different people ?

PHATXR8 · 27-07-2006, 09:24 PM

Updated story link below - now the cops are looking for a "high-performance car with orange racing stripes".

I reckon they should ban those racing stripes - they are known to cause people to race their cars on public roads, and they DO make cars go faster..just ask Harold "Screw-loose" Scruby!!

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...43-661,00.html