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MITCHAY · 27-09-2021, 04:51 PM

ACT lockdown lifted from 15/10. Restrictions easing from this Friday

roKWiz · 27-09-2021, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Looks like it is just in Melbourne cos there doesn't seem to be the same unhelpful bs being thrown anywhere else. However, if you believe the newspoll results released over the weekend, Melbournians aren't buying it.

Let me just alter that for you.

burnz · 27-09-2021, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor 57

is that an Australian photo?

the logo on the shirt looks like "st' johns" ambulance.

**Fordman1** · 27-09-2021, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

the logo on the shirt looks like "st' johns" ambulance.

No it doesn’t

**GasoLane** · 27-09-2021, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Well....I think the answer is right in front of us, and I hope there will be a capitol hill type inquiry into the insurrection.

I have now heard several accounts from people who were either there on the first couple of days, or know of someone who went. These people went with a legitimate intent, but as soon as they realised what was really happening, they got out of there quick smart. I think we'll hear more. I'm hearing 25% were there for the cause, 75% were there for another purpose.

You'd have to wonder how many more were like this one.....................

"On Wednesday, a man featured on Nine News was wearing a AWP Plastering and Rendering high-vis polo shirt.
However, the owner of AWP has now come out and said the man seen on the news had never worked for him and was not a tradie."

https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/fake-...tion-protests/

BENT_8 · 27-09-2021, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by russellw

NSW/VIC

NSW records 788 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 0.9556 (from 0.9701) while the actual line is a bit below the predictive trend line and based on the 4th order polynomial, that trend line now has a downward curve.

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VIC records 705 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 1.0370 (from 1.0459) while the actual line is falling further below the predictive trend.

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This may have been asked before russ, but how does the daily positive case results compare to testing figures?
Are we seeing NSW getting on top of the virus via vaccination or is testing dropping off so it appears the daily positive cases are falling?

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 27-09-2021, 08:12 PM

Why is the Construction, Forestry, Maritime, Mining And Energy Union (that's CFMMEU) still referred to as the CFMEU, especially in the media, who should know better?

Itsme · 27-09-2021, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Why is the Construction, Forestry, Maritime, Mining And Energy Union (that's CFMMEU) still referred to as the CFMEU, especially in the media, who should know better?

Ring the union and ask them.

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1...X0Qoip6BAhPEAM

**russellw** · 28-09-2021, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

This may have been asked before russ, but how does the daily positive case results compare to testing figures?
Are we seeing NSW getting on top of the virus via vaccination or is testing dropping off so it appears the daily positive cases are falling?

There is some correlation - test numbers the last 3 days have all been around the 100k mark and they were higher when case numbers were higher but there is still a wide disparity between the high (192) and low (83) in terms of tests per case although the 90th percentile (on about a month of testing) is 132 and the average about 111.

**DJR-351** · 28-09-2021, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Why is the Construction, Forestry, Maritime, Mining And Energy Union (that's CFMMEU) still referred to as the CFMEU, especially in the media, who should know better?

....what i can tell you is that all the MUA (former Maritime Union of Australia) members that I work with are starting to regret they ever amalgamated with the CFMEU, they do not mind the silent 'M' at all.

slowsnake · 28-09-2021, 07:46 AM

Well the timber workers don't care about a "T" in the name, so a silent "M" should mean nothing in the big picture, the point is that the rank and file members are represented against greedy selfish employers who would have everyone without a tertiary or university education in the poor house!

PS:- I have seen it, been involved in it, we the humble worker mean nothing to a boardroom Chairman who drives a Rolls Royce with a chauffeur and lives in a multi million dollar mansion, paid for by bloody low skilled workers, well any bloody voice is better than no voice!

Cheers BillyP

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 28-09-2021, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Itsme

Ring the union and ask them.

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1...X0Qoip6BAhPEAM

Thanks for the suggestion, but I'd prefer not to. Not quite sure why you've sent pictures of the office; doesn't really help answer the question.

From what I can see, the CFMMEU consists of four divisions: Construction & General, Manufacturing, Maritime Union of Australia and Mining & Energy. All bar the Construction & General have National Offices only. The Construction & General have a National Office as well as state offices. Interestingly, checking through the separate National offices, of those who use the CFMEU moniker and logo (Construction and Manufacturing) they only use the single M moniker and logo. The Maritime and Mining divisions don't use the traditional CFMEU logo as seen on the Vic office windows.

Strange. Almost like they don't want to acknowledge the second M in the union.

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Originally Posted by DJR-351

....what i can tell you is that all the MUA (former Maritime Union of Australia) members that I work with are starting to regret they ever amalgamated with the CFMEU, they do not mind the silent 'M' at all.

I can understand that, too. It seems like it might be a mutual understanding though, given the above.

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Originally Posted by slowsnake

Well the timber workers don't care about a "T" in the name,

Cheers BillyP

Wouldn't that be the 'F', Billy?

**FairmontGS** · 28-09-2021, 11:07 AM

Now you're in trouble

Tina Arena SLAMS lockdown and urges fans to vote out Dan Andrews

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'When it comes time to vote for those that we choose to work for us, perhaps next time around we pay a little bit more attention as to who we wish to be at the steering wheel,' she said.

'Because quite honestly, it has been the greatest disappointment when a city as beautiful as ours, which was deemed the most liveable in the world…

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/austr...?ocid=msedgntp

**GO FURTHER** · 28-09-2021, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

From what I can see, the CFMMEU consists of four divisions: Construction & General, Manufacturing, Maritime Union of Australia and Mining & Energy. All bar the Construction & General have National Offices only. The Construction & General have a National Office as well as state offices. Interestingly, checking through the separate National offices, of those who use the CFMEU moniker and logo (Construction and Manufacturing) they only use the single M moniker and logo. The Maritime and Mining divisions don't use the traditional CFMEU logo as seen on the Vic office windows.

Strange. Almost like they don't want to acknowledge the second M in the union.
I can understand that, too. It seems like it might be a mutual understanding though, given the above.

The Mining and Energy Division also don't want to be part of the CFMEU anymore and its members have voted to demerger.

They intend to operate independently as a Mining and Energy Union.”

The Mining and Energy Division has lodged an appeal in the Federal Court against a Fair Work Commission decision dismissing the CFMEU's application for a member ballot on withdrawing from the CFMMEU.

https://me.cfmeu.org.au/news/demerge...-federal-court

Bossxr8 · 28-09-2021, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Now you're in trouble

Tina Arena SLAMS lockdown and urges fans to vote out Dan Andrews

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/austr...?ocid=msedgntp

As much as I despise "celebrities" thinking their opinion means anything, she's not wrong.

It's time for Dan Andrews to get the hell out of our lives and let us go back to the way it was pre-covid. He can't let go of his power trip though. He's already talking about keeping various restrictions that other states have already said they will scrap. He just can't help himself.

Longest lock downs anywhere in the world. Never forget.

**russellw** · 28-09-2021, 12:17 PM

NSW/VIC

NSW records 866 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 0.9629 (from 0.9556) while the actual line is now a bit above the predictive trend line and based on the 4th order polynomial, that trend line now has a downward curve.

VIC records 867 cases in the current period (another record high) and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 1.0553 (from 1.0370) while the actual line is back level with the predictive trend.

Trevor 57 · 28-09-2021, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Now you're in trouble

Tina Arena SLAMS lockdown and urges fans to vote out Dan Andrews

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/austr...?ocid=msedgntp

wouldn't it be great if celebrities just stuck to what they know and stay out of politics. Some actually think that their opinion matters

Truth is, their opinion matters as much as mine does

And we all know about opinions - opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one and many of them stink

**russellw** · 28-09-2021, 01:01 PM

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT September 27th 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

1,483 new cases for Australia and 13 deaths so the CMR is 1.256%.

11 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.644%.

The UK had 37,485 cases yesterday and 40 deaths for a CMR of 1.769%.

121,464 new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,401 deaths sees CMR at 1.613%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 233M, the last 1M in 2 days;

Barbados (188);

... recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while Honduras and Libya drop below.

**russellw** · 28-09-2021, 01:06 PM

It's also worth noting that today marks the day when Vic recorded higher case numbers than NSW (albeit by 1 case).

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 28-09-2021, 01:33 PM

Interesting looking at Russ' charts of the current NSW and Vic outbreaks @ day 78. NSW had ~1300 cases v Vic which has ~900 cases (based on trendline). But it's worth noting that NSW started to see a tapering of case numbers, with the peak achieved at about day 85. If that trendline is followed by Vic, then we should see the peak in about another week. Of course, the variables here will be the anti-lockdown protests and the Grand Final and any 'illegal' celebrations being held for that occasion, both of which have the potential to add a spike in case numbers.

On another note, it seems to me that governments and the media are still focused, primarily, on covid case numbers more so than hospitalisation or death numbers. With our push to ease restrictions once the vaccination targets are achieved, experience from other countries who have travelled this road before us shows that case numbers will undoubtedly increase, but the key factor will be how many hospitalisations and deaths we get form those cases. Presumably we will pivot towards a greater focus on the latter rather than the former, too, as we do with the flu, for eg (flu case numbers are still tracked, but seem to get little media coverage). So, when would be the right time to pivot reporting of covid? At the 80% of eligible folk being fully vacced?

PooDog · 28-09-2021, 01:58 PM

It's the 13 or so deaths per day that's the worrying part .....regardless where they come from NSW or VIC

**russellw** · 28-09-2021, 02:25 PM

That will be the crux once we start to open up. If it keeps at the current percentages here then between 4-7% of cases will be hospitalised and between 0.5-1.4% see the inside of an ICU with between 0.5% and 0.7% dying.

Those figures should be lower at 80% vax rates but just how much lower is up for debate given that other 80% countries like the UK (0.32%), Israel (0.43%) and Florida (1.5%) - albeit the latter with a much higher average age population, are still not a whole lot lower.

Then it's just a matter of how many cases we see.

T3rminator · 28-09-2021, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Now you're in trouble

Tina Arena SLAMS lockdown and urges fans to vote out Dan Andrews

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/austr...?ocid=msedgntp

But I know baby, I'm in chains......I'm in chains

T3rminator · 28-09-2021, 03:38 PM

Curious to know what the cost will be without subsidies.

COVID-19 self-testing kits to be available at pharmacies, convenience stores within weeks
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/f...28-p58vdm.html

"Australians will be able to purchase self-testing kits for COVID-19 from pharmacies, convenience stores or online in about a month after the medical regulator announced it would approve them for home use from November 1."

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 28-09-2021, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Curious to know what the cost will be without subsidies.

COVID-19 self-testing kits to be available at pharmacies, convenience stores within weeks
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/f...28-p58vdm.html

"Australians will be able to purchase self-testing kits for COVID-19 from pharmacies, convenience stores or online in about a month after the medical regulator announced it would approve them for home use from November 1."

The cost is discussed in this ABC article:

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How much does a rapid antigen cost?
While it's free for any person to get a PCR test for COVID-19 at a clinic, it is not yet known how much an at-home rapid antigen test will cost.

However, rapid antigen tests are sold in other countries for a relatively low price.

In Singapore, rapid antigen tests cost as little at $10 and the government recently gave all households packs of home testing kits free of charge.

In the United Kingdom, a test can cost between 25 to 60 British pounds ($40 to $110) whereas in the US tests are priced as low as $US25 ($35).

In both the UK and US, you can buy a single test or a batch, and tests come with additional at-cost services such as an online consultation with a doctor.

slowsnake · 28-09-2021, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Wouldn't that be the 'F', Billy?

The CFMEU Manufacturing Division has a long and proud history. Our Union is made up of four Unions who have all contributed to the struggle for improved wages and conditions for their members. These Unions are the Australian Timber Workers Union, The Federated Furnishing Trades Society, the Pulp and Paper Workers' Federation and the Federated Engine Drivers and Firemens' Association.

The following information provides an overview of the history of the CFMEU Manufacturing Division.
Background
The CFMEU Manufacturing Division was first registered as a Federal Organisation under the Commonwealth Conciliation and Arbitration Act (1904) on the 21st August 1907, as the Federated Sawmill, Timber-yard and Woodworkers Employees Association of Australasia.

The name of the Union was changed on the 27th October 1913 to the Amalgamated Timber Workers Union of Australia, and again on the 10th July 1918 to the Australian Timber Workers Union.

Cheers BillyB

tweeked · 28-09-2021, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by russellw

other 80% countries like the UK (0.32%), Israel (0.43%) and Florida (1.5%) - albeit the latter with a much higher average age population, are still not a whole lot lower.

Then it's just a matter of how many cases we see.

Florida is nowhere near 80%. It is fact not far in front of Australia - 56.8 percent of total pop fully vaxxed, not sure that works out to be for 16+. But it is probably US's oldest state.

Tassie f100 · 28-09-2021, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by slowsnake

The CFMEU Manufacturing Division has a long and proud history. Our Union is made up of four Unions who have all contributed to the struggle for improved wages and conditions for their members. These Unions are the Australian Timber Workers Union, The Federated Furnishing Trades Society, the Pulp and Paper Workers' Federation and the Federated Engine Drivers and Firemens' Association.

The following information provides an overview of the history of the CFMEU Manufacturing Division.
Background
The CFMEU Manufacturing Division was first registered as a Federal Organisation under the Commonwealth Conciliation and Arbitration Act (1904) on the 21st August 1907, as the Federated Sawmill, Timber-yard and Woodworkers Employees Association of Australasia.

The name of the Union was changed on the 27th October 1913 to the Amalgamated Timber Workers Union of Australia, and again on the 10th July 1918 to the Australian Timber Workers Union.

Cheers BillyB

Like all unions they are now pretty irrelevent.There are many more non union workers than union members now in most industries

tweeked · 28-09-2021, 05:26 PM

Best I can see Florida has about 83% of its population over 16, that means their +16 figure is 80% one shot and 69% fully vaxxed

T3rminator · 28-09-2021, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

The cost is discussed in this ABC article:

So under what conditions can we be expected to buy and use this?

If its for work, then I would expect work to pay for it. If its for events, then I would expect that the tests would be in the price of the ticket, and the test will be administered by event officials?

$10 to $110 is a big range. I'm assuming $10 has a bigger margin of error, which is not what you'd want if you have paid big bucks to attend an event.