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**russellw** · 08-10-2021, 11:51 AM

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT October 7th 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

2,127 new cases for Australia and 11 deaths so the CMR is 1.157%.

30 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.603%.

The UK had 39,747 cases yesterday and 142 deaths for a CMR of 1.708%.

111,662 new cases in the USA yesterday and 3,316 deaths sees CMR at 1.622%.

Other notable points:
North America passes 54M cases;
The USA passes 45M cases;

No countries
... recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Germany moves above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while no countries drop below.

Citroënbender · 08-10-2021, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

News coming through from NSW of a different Delta strain variant.

Different Delta strain identified
NSW's Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant a strain of Delta "which has a different genome sequence to the current strain circulating in Sydney" has been identified in the state.

She says there's no indication this strain presents any differences to transmission, vaccine effectiveness or disease severity.

There are eight cases — seven people in one household and one other person.

Dr Chant said investigations into this strain were continuing.

Is this a “Different Delta” because they’re unable to agree on using the Greek or aviation alphabets?

If it’s just going to be D2, does the R-number also become R2?

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 08-10-2021, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Is this a “Different Delta” because they’re unable to agree on using the Greek or aviation alphabets?

If it’s just going to be D2, does the R-number also become R2?

That'd be the phonetic alphabet

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 08-10-2021, 12:13 PM

Busy morning on the Covid front! I'll just post this one and then take a break to allow others to chime in for a bit....

ATAGI recommends booster shot for immunocompromised people
Australia's expert panel on vaccines has recommended a third dose booster shot of a COVID-19 vaccine for people who are "severely" immunocompromised.

The Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) said people with certain conditions, or who are on immunosuppressive therapies such as chemotherapy, might not be fully protected by the regular two doses of a vaccine.

ATAGI advised for those people, an additional shot should be given two to six months after the second dose.

It said the Pfizer and Moderna versions of the vaccine were preferred for booster shots.

No recommendations on third doses have been made for the general population at this stage.

slowsnake · 08-10-2021, 12:48 PM

Not many chimers?.....lol.....

**Ratmick** · 08-10-2021, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Busy morning on the Covid front! I'll just post this one and then take a break to allow others to chime in for a bit....

ATAGI recommends booster shot for immunocompromised people
Australia's expert panel on vaccines has recommended a third dose booster shot of a COVID-19 vaccine for people who are "severely" immunocompromised.

The Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) said people with certain conditions, or who are on immunosuppressive therapies such as chemotherapy, might not be fully protected by the regular two doses of a vaccine.

ATAGI advised for those people, an additional shot should be given two to six months after the second dose.

It said the Pfizer and Moderna versions of the vaccine were preferred for booster shots.

No recommendations on third doses have been made for the general population at this stage.

Thanks for that mate I'll get my missus to check with the Clinical Team that looks after her

tweeked · 08-10-2021, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tweeked

Its just they haven't uploaded the latest document yet. I am sure there is plenty of "fine print" in the Authorised worker list to be worked through. It will turn up before on the DHHS site before the due date.

Well yesterday i started to slip down the conspiracy slipperyslope due to the government still not having provided a Health Order...... bingo it turned up today.

That Penhalluriak was quite good, and correct at the time, but it looks like all the missing pieces he identified are being filled in as I first suspected they would be (but not fast enough to make me stop making my own tin foil hat)

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/sites/de...directions.pdf

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 08-10-2021, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tweeked

Well yesterday i started to slip down the conspiracy slipperyslope due to the government still not having provided a Health Order...... bingo it turned up today.

That Penhalluriak was quite good, and correct at the time, but it looks like all the missing pieces he identified are being filled in as I first suspected they would be (but not fast enough to make me stop making my own tin foil hat)

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/sites/de...directions.pdf

Note the commencement date in that Directions document. We've noticed that the Directions tend to come out just before they take effect. I'm guessing that is the case as some Directions succeed previously issued Directions and, therefore, having two extant copies may cause legal issues, or at least the potential for confusion?

Whatever the reason, it appears to be the current practice anyway.

Itsme · 08-10-2021, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by russellw

That's going to raise some hard question for the Police service in terms of their duty of care although I suspect that a lot of the 'safe workplace' stuff is not applicable to them or other emergency services given that the very nature of their job is often the antithesis of safe. I would presume that as long as they took whatever risk minimisation strategies were available to them, they'll be covered but if I was a serving member, I'd be asking some question of my own.

What is more interesting some police officers like others in different professions are resisting the compulsory jab mandate. I suppose some fields of employment do have high risks when you sign up to it and covid is one of many.

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 08-10-2021, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tweeked

Well yesterday i started to slip down the conspiracy slipperyslope due to the government still not having provided a Health Order...... bingo it turned up today.

That Penhalluriak was quite good, and correct at the time, but it looks like all the missing pieces he identified are being filled in as I first suspected they would be (but not fast enough to make me stop making my own tin foil hat)

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/sites/de...directions.pdf

Quoting you again, tweeked as I've now had a chance to read through the directions in toto and absorb some of the content.

I see that clause 3 states the validity period for the Direction and states that the Directions end at 11:59:00pm on 21 October 2021.

Anyone who is concerned by the requirement to be vaccinated could simply take leave until that time and then return to work after that date. Of course, these Directions can be extended, however that be effected, to apply after that date and you'd run the risk of that happening.

Another thing I picked up on was that an employer is not permitted to allow a "worker who is unvaccinated to work for that employer outside the worker’s
ordinary place of residence". But 'work' is not defined and I wonder if being on a form of leave may be construed as being 'work', after all, you are still employed by the company.

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 08-10-2021, 04:02 PM

Posted for CB's benefit

T3rminator · 08-10-2021, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I have my second dose scheduled on Monday arvo

Pretty **** timing for work considering we have a change going on this weekend and despite all the planning and testing things only reveal themselves fully during business hours.

I had no side effects the first dose other than the sore arm but apparently they are usually worse for second one. We will see.

First one, after day two, was way worse for me. Arm was so sore it actually made shifting the TR3650 painful and driving unpleasant. Second one didn't feel it go in, nurse said it was because "she knew what she was doing"

. Had a bit of numbness but no where near as bad as the first one.

slowsnake · 08-10-2021, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

First one, after day two, was way worse for me. Arm was so sore it actually made shifting the TR3650 painful and driving unpleasant. Second one didn't feel it go in, nurse said it was because "she knew what she was doing"

. Had a bit of numbness but no where near as bad as the first one.

Tell em to stick it in ya butt, the muscle mass is far superior to anywhere else, upper arm or thigh included, 5 minutes of slight stinging, as recognised by the medical profession!
Just ask ya GP, he'll tell you the same!

Trevor 57 · 08-10-2021, 06:58 PM

tweeked · 08-10-2021, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

I see that clause 3 states the validity period for the Direction and states that the Directions end at 11:59:00pm on 21 October 2021.

Anyone who is concerned by the requirement to be vaccinated could simply take leave until that time and then return to work after that date. Of course, these Directions can be extended, however that be effected, to apply after that date and you'd run the risk of that happening.

Another thing I picked up on was that an employer is not permitted to allow a "worker who is unvaccinated to work for that employer outside the worker’s
ordinary place of residence". But 'work' is not defined and I wonder if being on a form of leave may be construed as being 'work', after all, you are still employed by the company.

Yes, someone can take leave, however so far all of the vaccination orders have rolled over into the next public health order, so you are rolling the dice if you think that the order will not be renewed.

On the "work" one, this is basically saying "work from home only" if you are not vaccinated, and your work cannot get clever by sending you to clients, a cafe or the like saying that you are not in their normal workplace.

cosworthfreak · 08-10-2021, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by slowsnake

Cerebellar stroke, so in the back part of the brain in the cerebellum of course…

This happens when an artery that feeds it is blocked or bleeding, causing complete interruption to a portion of it (typically only one side or section of the cerebellum).

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Originally Posted by slowsnake

…is the type of stroke he had the same or similar to what has been published regarding negative side effects of AZ vaccine?

This is where a blood clot forms in the brain’s venous sinuses (sort of like gutters that collect and channel rainwater).

https://images.app.goo.gl/ggMdG5bmwLenhqC89

This prevents blood from draining out of the brain and back to the heart. As a result, blood cells may break and leak blood into the brain tissues, forming a hemorrhage.

slowsnake · 09-10-2021, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cosworthfreak

This happens when an artery that feeds it is blocked or bleeding, causing complete interruption to a portion of it (typically only one side or section of the cerebellum).

This is where a blood clot forms in the brain’s venous sinuses (sort of like gutters that collect and channel rainwater).

https://images.app.goo.gl/ggMdG5bmwLenhqC89

This prevents blood from draining out of the brain and back to the heart. As a result, blood cells may break and leak blood into the brain tissues, forming a hemorrhage.

You are the only person who answered my post, I appreciate that, I just wanted someone smart, like you to put my mind at ease, I was hoping it was AZ related and not heart or cancer, which he was give a 7 year all clear not 2 months ago, I put it here in the covid thread because the doctors said they could not find the cause, 8 days in hospital and they couldn't find it, all other functions, sugar, cholesterol and oxygen transfer good for his age, 72, non smoker, vegetarian and non drinker, so it could be the AZ vaccine!

Thank you kindly for your reply, I feel good now!

slowsnake · 09-10-2021, 09:10 AM

So 1,965 new locally acquired cases today and 5 deaths in Victoria, and NSW not too good neither, and a truck driver who tested neg in NSW tests positive in SA, from Ch24 news ABC TV.

**FairmontGS** · 09-10-2021, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by slowsnake

So 1,965 new locally acquired cases today and 5 deaths in Victoria, and NSW not too good neither, and a truck driver who tested neg in NSW tests positive in SA, from Ch24 news ABC TV.

Downward trend in cases, 90% first vaxxed today, opening fully soon, shiny new Premier

What bit of NSW is "not too good neither"?

cosworthfreak · 09-10-2021, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by slowsnake

You are the only person who answered my post, I appreciate that, I just wanted someone smart, like you to put my mind at ease, I was hoping it was AZ related and not heart or cancer, which he was give a 7 year all clear not 2 months ago, I put it here in the covid thread because the doctors said they could not find the cause, 8 days in hospital and they couldn't find it, all other functions, sugar, cholesterol and oxygen transfer good for his age, 72, non smoker, vegetarian and non drinker, so it could be the AZ vaccine!

Thank you kindly for your reply, I feel good now!

No problems, but I need to correct my answer to your post. The second type of stroke (in the venous sinuses) is the very rare type associated with AZ, the cerebellar stroke is not associated with AZ. That doesn’t mean the cerebellar stroke is associated with his heart or any cancer diagnosis, it may have been a result of other things.

There are two main types of stroke: ischemic and hemorrhagic . An ischemic stroke is the most common type, and happens when blood flow is blocked. This may be caused by a clot that formed in a different part of the body which broke off and becomes trapped in another part of the system (and his just happened to be in one of the arteries feeding his cerebellum). The clot could have also formed more locally, or it might have been a small tear instead. A hemorrhagic stroke is caused by a burst blood vessel. Blood pools in the brain, causing a build up of pressure which then slows or stops the flow of blood.

Cerebellar stroke is more common in older adults and people with a family history of stroke, and health problems that affect blood vessel health and blood flow can raise the risk.

This may not make you feel better, sorry.

Jamie

cosworthfreak · 09-10-2021, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

What bit of NSW is "not too good neither"?

Regional vaccination rates, disability sector vaccination rates, but these apply to other states and territories also.

A David Pope cartoon puts it well for critics of NSW

**GO FURTHER** · 09-10-2021, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by slowsnake

So 1,965 new locally acquired cases today and 5 deaths in Victoria

Well, in this thread, back on the 2nd September, I wrote the following;

https://fordforums.com.au/showpost.p...ostcount=14390

"Victoria is very similar to NSW running at "REFF 1.3".
What this means is that for every 10 cases, those 10 cases affect another 13 people."

"At that current rate, it means the daily cases numbers will DOUBLE every 10 or 11 days."

"Let's put some dates to that to visualise the scenario, if that REFF 1.3 continues"...

1/9/21 - 120 cases

11/9/21 - 240 cases

21/9/21 - 480 cases

1/10/21 - 960 cases

11/10/21 - 1,920 cases

"I hope I am wrong, and things turn around but things are not looking good".

Well, unfortunately we have exceeded that number 2 days ahead of schedule... Not good.

slowsnake · 09-10-2021, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Downward trend in cases, 90% first vaxxed today, opening fully soon, shiny new Premier

What bit of NSW is "not too good neither"?

They mentioned, Liverpool, Merrylands, Granville, then I couldn't keep up typing, the reporter was talking quicker than I could type!..sorry!
Ch 24 news this morning.

slowsnake · 09-10-2021, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by cosworthfreak

No problems, but I need to correct my answer to your post. The second type of stroke (in the venous sinuses) is the very rare type associated with AZ, the cerebellar stroke is not associated with AZ. That doesn’t mean the cerebellar stroke is associated with his heart or any cancer diagnosis, it may have been a result of other things.

There are two main types of stroke: ischemic and hemorrhagic . An ischemic stroke is the most common type, and happens when blood flow is blocked. This may be caused by a clot that formed in a different part of the body which broke off and becomes trapped in another part of the system (and his just happened to be in one of the arteries feeding his cerebellum). The clot could have also formed more locally, or it might have been a small tear instead. A hemorrhagic stroke is caused by a burst blood vessel. Blood pools in the brain, causing a build up of pressure which then slows or stops the flow of blood.

Cerebellar stroke is more common in older adults and people with a family history of stroke, and health problems that affect blood vessel health and blood flow can raise the risk.

This may not make you feel better, sorry.

Jamie

This is the whole email, and thank you for your interest, your explanation is fine thanks.

Hello Billy,
Sorry I have not written for a while. I hope that everything is going OK for you.
Unfortunately, I just spent 8 days in hospital after suffering a stroke.
Good news is that I have had lots of scans, blood tests etc., and apart from the stroke my heart condition, sugars, cholesterol, blood pressure, O2 levels are all good for my age. Bad news is that the blood clot in my brain came from somewhere unknown at the moment.
I had a pretty rare stroke called a cerebellar, in the cerebellum at the back of the brain. Main problems are balance and coordination, luckily I have no weakness in my limbs or speech problems. Eyesight has been affected slightly but I am told it will improve gradually. I had a physio assessment at home today to check that I can walk, climb stairs etc., no problems at present.
I just walk like a drunken sailor but not allowed to drive for a while, maybe forever.
Apart from that, life goes on.
Hopefully things are stable for you?
Cheers
Dave

Sent from my IPad

**russellw** · 09-10-2021, 11:26 AM

NSW/VIC

NSW records 582 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 0.9644 (from 0.9746) while the actual line remains above the predictive trend line and based on the 3rd order polynomial, that trend line has a downward curve.

VIC records 1,965 cases in the current period (another record high) but the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 1.0989 (from 1.1016) while the actual line is further above the predictive trend.

**russellw** · 09-10-2021, 11:53 AM

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT October 8th 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

2,523 new cases for Australia (a new record) and 16 deaths so the CMR is 1.146%.

47 new cases and 1 death for NZ so CMR is 0.612%. That's the first death since September 3rd and only the 3rd this year.

The UK had 34,910 cases yesterday and 104 deaths for a CMR of 1.702%.

110,134 new cases in the USA yesterday and 2,043 deaths sees CMR at 1.622%.

Other notable points:
Global deaths pass 4.85M, the last 50k in 7 days;
Europe passes 60M cases;
Oceania passes 250k cases'

Australia (2,523);
Singapore (3,590)

... recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Ireland moves above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while no countries drop below.

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 09-10-2021, 11:53 AM

Surprised that this story, which broke yesterday, has not been covered in here, especially given we have frequenters who are not Dan fans.

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews fined for COVID rule breaches after being filmed without a mask

Victorian police have issued Premier Daniel Andrews with $400 worth of fines for breaching COVID-19 directions after being filmed without a mask before attending Parliament.

Mr Andrews had apologised for the incidents, which took place as he walked across the Parliament carpark to speak to journalists on Wednesday and Thursday mornings.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-...mask/100523614

T3rminator · 09-10-2021, 12:00 PM

Gees...got up early this morning and headed out for a hike. With the amount of people out and about, would not have guessed we were close to 2000 today.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Surprised that this story, which broke yesterday, has not been covered in here, especially given we have frequenters who are not Dan fans.

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews fined for COVID rule breaches after being filmed without a mask

Victorian police have issued Premier Daniel Andrews with $400 worth of fines for breaching COVID-19 directions after being filmed without a mask before attending Parliament.

Mr Andrews had apologised for the incidents, which took place as he walked across the Parliament carpark to speak to journalists on Wednesday and Thursday mornings.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-...mask/100523614

Apparently he took his mask off in the car, then walked up to the press gallery. Found it odd he would wear a mask in the car! Who actually does that unless you are a taxi / uber driver?!

**russellw** · 09-10-2021, 12:01 PM

Although NSW avoided reaching the peaks predicted in the early modelling which predicted > 2000 daily cases and actually peaked on day 87 with 1,603 cases before starting to trend (albeit erratically) downward, Victoria is still trending upward at the same stage despite the fact that the initial growth rate was slower.

The predictive model above shows that 2,500 cases a day could be passed in the next 8 days unless the trend starts to reverse quickly.

naddis01 · 09-10-2021, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Apparently he took his mask off in the car, then walked up to the press gallery. Found it odd he would wear a mask in the car! Who actually does that unless you are a taxi / uber driver?!

If you are in the public eye then I think you would be wearing it everywhere so you didn't have these gotcha moments.