2018 Ranger Raptor - Page 53

Hemihunter · 26-09-2018, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Called into Rebel Ford for a closer look today and its a nice piece of machinery no doubt, certainly has a presence about it.

Was it Sold ? or for Sale? Colour ?

BENT_8 · 26-09-2018, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hemihunter

Was it Sold ? or for Sale? Colour ?

Not sure, but if it is sold i'd be ****ed off if i was the owner and asking why its been sitting at the end of the driveway for the past week open to whoever wants to put their grubby hands all over it and not either undergoing pre delivery or tucked away out the back until it is.

I think its a demo to be honest, colour, blue.

Ben73 · 26-09-2018, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

the Ultimate produces 190kW of power (200kW on overboost) and a mighty 580Nm of torque from its turbo diesel V6, with an eight-speed automatic transmission channelling all of that to all four wheels.
VW is also claiming a slight reduction in fuel consumption (albeit by 0.1L/100km) down to 8.9L/100km.

Meanwhile, the 0-100km/h stat comes in at a very sprightly 7.3 seconds.

Now someone is speaking my language.
Power when you want it and fuel econonmy when you need it.

If only they put some big suspension and 33's on it.

spvd02 · 29-09-2018, 12:53 AM

https://news.thaivisa.com/article/26...their-vehicles

Doesn't look like a great start for the Ranger Raptor

jpd80 · 29-09-2018, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

I think its a demo to be honest, colour, blue.

I wonder if a sale fell over and the dealer was stuck with a customer order,
I don't think Ford would be permitting dealer demos this early but could be wrong..

BENT_8 · 29-09-2018, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

I wonder if a sale fell over and the dealer was stuck with a customer order,
I don't think Ford would be permitting dealer demos this early but could be wrong..

Possible i guess but youd think if they were as sought after as is suggested there would be a list with names to go through.
Especially this early in their availability.

It was still sitting out the front on the road as of 3pm yesterday with a black wildtrack behind it.

jpd80 · 29-09-2018, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Possible i guess but youd think if they were as sought after as is suggested there would be a list with names to go through.
Especially this early in their availability.

Orders were taken months ago so I m surprised as to why this one is sitting without a home.

Especially given the increase in allocation based on customer orders that forced
a situation on tyre supply where Aussie orders are prioritized with BFGs and
other markets get an alternate - maybe Wranglers..

Mercury Bullet · 29-09-2018, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

I wonder if a sale fell over and the dealer was stuck with a customer order,
I don't think Ford would be permitting dealer demos this early but could be wrong..

Local dealer in northam has a blue demo.

Told me he would be keeping it 3 months.

jpd80 · 29-09-2018, 12:26 PM

One of the perks for being a dealer, you get to drive a demo for three months
then sell it off with a good discount and get another new vehicle....

jpd80 · 29-09-2018, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Blue one been sitting in the driveway of Rebel Ford at Elizabeth for almost a week now.
Spoke to my neighbour who is a Ford salesman at a rural dealership and he hasnt had any orders yet.

I wonder why.......

on Rebel Ford's website it's $79,999 excluding government charges......
https://www.rebelford.com.au/demo-car/list/

Zero/low km demos are supposed to cost less than ordered new vehicles, not more.

Brazen · 29-09-2018, 02:49 PM

Good thing about a halo car like Raptor is that people may pop into the dealer for a look, but then leave in a new Wildtrak

Seen a few of the new facelift Rangers around, for some reason XLT looks worse but Wildrak looks better. Wildtrak now looks like the most expensive trim, whereas previously you might of thought it was the XLT if you didn’t know the lineup

Brazen · 29-09-2018, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Possible i guess but youd think if they were as sought after as is suggested there would be a list with names to go through.
Especially this early in their availability.

It was still sitting out the front on the road as of 3pm yesterday with a black wildtrack behind it.

I know we all think people have moved on, but the guys I know who could afford one of these are still baulking at the little 2.0 litre engine. It will still sell well but probably not as well as it could.

I tell you one Ute that is getting a lot of talk, the bloody Amarok. Feels like overnight everyone all of a sudden loves them.

jpd80 · 29-09-2018, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

I know we all think people have moved on, but the guys I know who could afford one of these are still baulking at the little 2.0 litre engine. It will still sell well but probably not as well as it could.

Maybe so but even with the 2.0 diesel, sales response is better than Ford anticipated.

Obviously, the V8 performance buyers think the universe revolves around them and their wants,
you don't get what you want by tearing down a product that doesn't suit, you lobby for one that does.
Three years time when a 3.0 EB Raptor is available it will still be wrong because it's not a V8 sedan.

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I tell you one Ute that is getting a lot of talk, the bloody Amarok. Feels like overnight everyone all of a sudden loves them.

Until sales pick up, it's still just talk, sales are still flat with last years numbers and about a fifth of Ranger.

BENT_8 · 29-09-2018, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

I wonder why.......

on Rebel Ford's website it's $79,999 excluding government charges......
https://www.rebelford.com.au/demo-car/list/

Zero/low km demos are supposed to cost less than ordered new vehicles, not more.

Stillwell too..

https://www.stillwellford.com.au/dem...ii-my19/667362

Maughan Thiem..

http://www.maughanthiem.com.au/used-...lity/16345487/

So thats 3 in Adelaide alone which should be filling orders.

Chopped · 29-09-2018, 05:47 PM

I saw a blue one on the road last week in Calamvale. Not bad looking, it stood out. Not as aggressive looking as the F150 Raptor though.

prydey · 29-09-2018, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

I wonder why.......

on Rebel Ford's website it's $79,999 excluding government charges......
https://www.rebelford.com.au/demo-car/list/

Zero/low km demos are supposed to cost less than ordered new vehicles, not more.

Adelaide.. where everything costs just that little bit more, and then some. water, electricity, general cost of living... and cars and car parts. at least our real estate is slightly better..

prydey · 29-09-2018, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

I know we all think people have moved on, but the guys I know who could afford one of these are still baulking at the little 2.0 litre engine.

I know this has been linked previously in this thread, but just a reminder, the 2L has more power and torque for pretty much the entire rev range above 1400rpm.
https://fordforums.com.au/showpost.p...2&postcount=12

mentioned it again because now that this engine is out there and people have driven it I've noticed people commenting on how it felt like it could benefit from more capacity. I feel people, even in this age where technology is really making big ground in small capacity engines, still have old school thinking about capacity. F1 makes over 800hp from 1.6L plus a battery, for example.

its like the ecoboost falcon. people got hung up on the cylinder count and lost sight of the fact it actually outperformed the 6cyl version.

jpd80 · 29-09-2018, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Stillwell too..

https://www.stillwellford.com.au/dem...ii-my19/667362

Maughan Thiem..

http://www.maughanthiem.com.au/used-...lity/16345487/

So that's 3 in Adelaide alone which should be filling orders.

Dealers testing the waters on impulse buyers who don't want to wait and will pay 5K more?
Two of them priced at $79,990 plus on road costs, the other $82,990 drive away

Order RR from a friendly dealer with some allocation left and it's $74,990 plus on road costs......

prydey · 29-09-2018, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Dealers testing the waters on impulse buyers who don't want to wait and will pay 5K more?
Two of them priced at $79,990 plus on road costs, the other $82,990 drive away

Order RR from a friendly dealer with some allocation left and it's $74,990 plus on road costs......

not sure if there are different rules for new cars but when I was looking for my territory, I contacted dealers interstate and they were more than happy to sell me a car and ship it over at their cost. I ended up finding one locally but these days the competition is nationwide, not just statewide. With new cars, condition of vehicle etc doesn't really come in to it which makes it even easier to buy sight unseen.

BENT_8 · 29-09-2018, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

but these days the competition is nationwide, not just statewide. .

Agreed, heres 3 demo's from WA for anyone who doesnt want to Wait Awhile..

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-cars-va...84x4%29/c18320

jpd80 · 30-09-2018, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

not sure if there are different rules for new cars but when I was looking for my territory, I contacted dealers interstate and they were more than happy to sell me a car and ship it over at their cost. I ended up finding one locally but these days the competition is nationwide, not just statewide. With new cars, condition of vehicle etc doesn't really come in to it which makes it even easier to buy sight unseen.

I'm not talking about shipping costs, those vehicles Bent listed are $5,000 more than RRP
So, why purchase out of state demo and pay $5,000 more for the privilege
and still have to pay rego and stamp duty in your own state?

Sure. there's stronger than expected demand for Ranger Raptor but i don't think
that extends to checking your brain at the front counter......

a Demo is technically a used car even with zero klms, you shouldn't be paying full retail.
I suspect that these vehicles are for that remote chance of a walk in buying on the spot
but equally, they serve as the range topper sitting there while someone buys a Wildtrak or XLT.

BENT_8 · 30-09-2018, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

I'm not talking about shipping costs, those vehicles Bent listed are $5,000 more than RRP
So, why purchase out of state demo and pay $5,000 more for the privilege
and still have to pay rego and stamp duty in your own state?

Sure. there's stronger than expected demand for Ranger Raptor but i don't think
that extends to checking your brain at the front counter......

a Demo is technically a used car even with zero klms, you shouldn't be paying full retail.

Do you think these 6 demo's ive listed have been from deals that have fallen over or is it possible Dealers have created the shortfall and are now trying to cash in on the situation.
Im leaning towards the latter as if there was as much demand as suggested, they wouldnt still be looking for a home 2 weeks on.

I wonder how many more there are out there, none of the 3 Gumtree listings are the SA cars i linked so its quite possible many more dealers have them and havent advertised them other than on their own sites.

I wonder where articulatedsphynx has gone of late since they've been made available, surely he'd have received his by now, im surprised we havent been given a review and associated pics..

jpd80 · 30-09-2018, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Do you think these 6 demo's ive listed have been from deals that have fallen over or is it possible Dealers have created the shortfall and are now trying to cash in on the situation.
Im leaning towards the latter as if there was as much demand as suggested, they wouldnt still be looking for a home 2 weeks on.

I wonder how many more there are out there, none of the 3 Gumtree listings are the SA cars i linked so its quite possible many more dealers have them and havent advertised them other than on their own sites.

If as you say, dealers were intending to create a shortfall of stock then
why would Ford be responding by building more Raptors?
It doesn't make sense....

My guess is that dealers have bought stock on spec for a variety of reasons,
the walk in who will see the price and get engineered discount of say $3K ;)
to dealers who just want one on their lot to help promote Ranger sales
to wanting one as their own demo drive car....

Like Mustang sales, I expect that there will indeed be some sales falling over
and dealers will have stock on their lots...it's to be expected these days.

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I wonder where articulatedsphynx has gone of late since they've been made available, surely he'd have received his by now, im surprised we havent been given a review and associated pics..

Probably has better things to do now.....

BENT_8 · 30-09-2018, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

If as you say, dealers were intending to create a shortfall of stock then
why would Ford be responding by building more Raptors?
It doesn't make sense....

My guess is that dealers have bought stock on spec for a variety of reasons,
the walk in who will see the price and get engineered discount of say $3K ;)
to dealers who just want one on their lot to help promote Ranger sales
to wanting one as their own demo drive car....

Like Mustang sales, I expect that there will indeed be some sales falling over
and dealers will have stock on their lots...it's to be expected these day.

Yeah more than likely, i just figured Ford wouldn't allow Dealers to keep demo stock of these when there are orders to fill apparently.
Certainly an expensive carrot to dangle for a small Dealer like rebels in Holden country, will need to generate 15 Wildtrack sales just to cover its costs, octobers Vfacts should see Ranger rocket to No1 atleast.

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Probably has better things to do now.....

Maybe, his last activity was the day they arrived in showrooms.

jpd80 · 30-09-2018, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Yeah more than likely, i just figured Ford wouldn't allow Dealers to keep demo stock of these when there are orders to fill apparently.

That was my first though too (like first order Mustang) but maybe this is a different situation
with Thailand being a lot closer and builds less limited.

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Maybe, his last activity was the day they arrived in showrooms.

Which is why I said that he probably has better things to do now.....lucky bugger.

I'm sure he'll be back to tells us about his new ride but when is the big question...

BENT_8 · 30-09-2018, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

I'm sure he'll be back to tells us about his new ride but when is the big question...

No doubt, in the meantime, I wonder if any other members of Australia's biggest online congregation of Ford fans want to share their new Raptors with us?

**solarite_guy** · 30-09-2018, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

I know this has been linked previously in this thread, but just a reminder, the 2L has more power and torque for pretty much the entire rev range above 1400rpm.
https://fordforums.com.au/showpost.p...2&postcount=12

Thanks for the reminder, I like that graph. Of course, the hot rodder in many of us, wonder just as the 2.3 EB can see impressive gains during a well spent dyno session, I wonder how the 2.0 Bi-Turbo can benefit?

Brazen · 30-09-2018, 11:45 AM

Also shows how well the old 3.2 does, even has slightly more torque off idle. The 2.0 has good figures higher in the rev range but you often keep a diesel below that range anyway.

I’m betting the new 3.0 pwerstroke will eventually find its way into Ranger.

**solarite_guy** · 30-09-2018, 11:49 AM

I imagine that lower range is where many will want to enhance the 2.0 with a little ECU tweaking. Probably won't take much.

prydey · 30-09-2018, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Also shows how well the old 3.2 does, even has slightly more torque off idle.

and no one was asking for more capacity in the 3.2. once again its just old thinking, and also a belief that the 'raptor' nameplate should be more like the F150 lightning or something.

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Originally Posted by Brazen

The 2.0 has good figures higher in the rev range but you often keep a diesel below that range anyway.

I've never driven a ranger so can't comment on their gearing, but using my territory as an example, 2-3000rpm is pretty much its working range. power and torque isn't in huge demand below 2000rpm as that's generally cruising revs. above 3k is just wasting fuel.