Petrol Price crisis......

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by John 13

Apparently in USA this week average price is around AUD 1.75 per litre. There are some wide variations in prices west to east with the lowest prices in the mid west and the south. Saudi Aramco (largest refinery in Texas) could be raking it in.

Wall Street Journal is reporting that Russian oil is making its way into the US, via India. India is taking discounted Russian oil, mixing it with others, muddling the origin. I'm guessing there is a bit of "ask no questions get no lies" policy when it gets imported. They'll probably then sell it back to the world with a premium

[burnz]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Hasn't quite reached 1970's crisis standards yet. I can remember sitting in my dads furniture truck waiting to buy fuel listening to this.

odds/even number plate..

[burnz]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I don't think its any particular one or two individuals.....I think the G7 have some big plans for us obedient little underlings.

now now no conspires theory pls

https://imgur.com/mQWUzjd

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Wall Street Journal is reporting that Russian oil is making its way into the US, via India. India is taking discounted Russian oil, mixing it with others, muddling the origin. I'm guessing there is a bit of "ask no questions get no lies" policy when it gets imported. They'll probably then sell it back to the world with a premium

We should buy Russian gas through India as well

[EBSXR6]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Wall Street Journal is reporting that Russian oil is making its way into the US, via India. India is taking discounted Russian oil, mixing it with others, muddling the origin. I'm guessing there is a bit of "ask no questions get no lies" policy when it gets imported. They'll probably then sell it back to the world with a premium

Was it not reported during the last US election a High Ranking American Politicians Son having Russian Oil ties.

[Franco Cozzo]

Was riding shotgun a while back where we moved an excavator out to a place in SE Melbourne where they are going to put in new gas turbines.

In a state with no supply guarantees and a gas shortage

What should the new government do about a gas crisis that has been 15 years in the making?

And second, we have allowed a cartel of large global energy companies – many of which specialise in tax avoidance – to control our natural gas supplies, dictating terms and price on the Australian east coast.

Both major parties are to blame for that.

A significant portion of that gas now is being diverted towards China, a nation that for the past three years has waged a brutal trade war on Australia and which now is vying for diplomatic and potentially military domination in the South Pacific.

The rest mostly goes to Japan and South Korea.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-...-do-/101127780

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by burnz

odds/even number plate..

Geez I remember when petrol shortage started in the 70's there was no odds & evens, first come first served and if you were slow to react then you missed out.

[Sprintey]

Filled half the tank and a couple of jerries at 1.93 for $158... I haven't done much filling since covid, but it was like the litres were still showing properly, but the dollars had something wrong with them, lol

[GASWAGON]

Another look at PetrolSpy this morning is showing 91 petrol already hitting $2.25 in Melbourne Northern suburbs which appears to be most expensive city so far!

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by EBSXR6

Was it not reported during the last US election a High Ranking American Politicians Son having Russian Oil ties.

Hunter Biden. And it was Ukrainian gas and oil. The whole thing stinks. Especially when the emails on his laptop referred to having to "kick 10% up to the big guy". No hard to figure out who the big guy is.

The Ukrainians were paying him millions of dollars for "consulting" fees, when he has no experience in any field relating to gas and oil.

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Was riding shotgun a while back where we moved an excavator out to a place in SE Melbourne where they are going to put in new gas turbines.

In a state with no supply guarantees and a gas shortage



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-...-do-/101127780

We really are so dumb politically as a nation. Talk about screwing yourself over.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by Late braker

That’s what I do. About $65-70 I tap out.

I tell the cashiers these prices are more efficient. I can put $100 in the tank faster, and everyone knows time is money.

Fuel (PULP) is close to our single greatest household expense.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by GASWAGON

Another look at PetrolSpy this morning is showing 91 petrol already hitting $2.25 in Melbourne Northern suburbs which appears to be most expensive city so far!

Means its going to be circa $2.50/L for 98

Bring on $3/L and beyond

Wonder when LPG conversions going to become popular again, surely perfect time for an LPG resurgence

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Means its going to be circa $2.50/L for 98

Bring on $3/L and beyond

Wonder when LPG conversions going to become popular again, surely perfect time for an LPG resurgence

Time to see the tuner to get an "economic" tune in I reckon

Have actually been giving the LPG conversion some thought. Had a small handful of people tell me there is "performance gains" with "modern" LPG systems. True or false? I'm a sucker for this stuff.

Have only driven a LPG falcon once which was a mechanic courtesy loan car. Couldn't really feel any power difference, but I noticed it sounded different and smelt different. That was the barra 6. What would it do to a 8?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Time to see the tuner to get an "economic" tune in I reckon

Have actually been giving the LPG conversion some thought. Had a small handful of people tell me there is "performance gains" with "modern" LPG systems. True or false? I'm a sucker for this stuff.

Have only driven a LPG falcon once which was a mechanic courtesy loan car. Couldn't really feel any power difference, but I noticed it sounded different and smelt different. That was the barra 6. What would it do to a 8?

Yes on injected LPG, it will make more power on LPG because of the colder intake temperatures

https://www.elgas.com.au/blog/681-li...n-conversions/



Thats a VE L98 on Injected LPG dyno chart.

Ye olde el cheapo crappy mixer ring setup expect to make massive power loss and have a car which wont rev over 4000 RPM because of the intake restriction, much like the BA-FG eGas Falcons prior to the FGII EcoLPI when it went to injected LPG

A mate used to have a BF eGas Falcon and I couldn't get it under 17.5L/100km as well as it being about as much as a powerhouse as a 1980s naturally aspirated diesel land cruiser - the old mixer ring setups are pieces of **** but LPI is next level, theres performance benefits to LPI.

[GASWAGON]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Time to see the tuner to get an "economic" tune in I reckon

Have actually been giving the LPG conversion some thought. Had a small handful of people tell me there is "performance gains" with "modern" LPG systems. True or false? I'm a sucker for this stuff.

Have only driven a LPG falcon once which was a mechanic courtesy loan car. Couldn't really feel any power difference, but I noticed it sounded different and smelt different. That was the barra 6. What would it do to a 8?

Its looking like it might be a good idea for you if OPEC keep screwing us over.

Modern 'Sequential Vapour Injection' systems are great these days instead of Fords original '30 year old style mixer system' like my Egas wagon runs.

A couple of years ago i test drove an EcoLpi sedan and it went really well just as good as a petrol Barra no power loss at all.

The old rule for converting to LPG is you have to do a minimum of 20,000K's per year to make the $4-5,000 cost of conversion worth doing.

A Boss V8 converted to SVI would be like having cake and eating it too!

[MrEL]

Issue is trying to get LPG easily now. Most servos in Sydney have got rid of it

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by MrEL

Issue is trying to get LPG easily now. Most servos in Sydney have got rid of it

Noticed that when I went on a road trip across a few states, it gets harder the further you get away from Melbourne and regional VIC where it's readily available.

You'd certainly want to be using fuel apps if doing trips across the country but no doubt it wouldn't be too hard to find in major metropolitan centres.

[GASWAGON]

Sort of on topic...........costs of living.

RBA raised interest rates again by 0.50% this afternoon.

More pain coming soon!

[Franco Cozzo]

More gas dramas on the horizon

[GASWAGON]

Great clip Franco.

How ironic is it that these Oz businesses are going broke due too huge gas price rises and yet we still send ship loads of gas to Japan and Asia cheap as!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by GASWAGON

Great clip Franco.

How ironic is it that these Oz businesses are going broke due too huge gas price rises and yet we still send ship loads of gas to Japan and Asia cheap as!

Its a good kick in the *** for everyone to wake up - how can a country be so resource rich but then force its own citizens to pay global market prices for its own abundant resources?

I guess that's the price of being politically apathetic, if you don't hold your 'representatives' to account then the result is this sort of crap going on.

You go back to 2006 where there was a blue between WA and Federal governments about their gas reservation policy

CCI calls on WA govt not to rush into gas policy

WESTERN Australia’s peak business group has called on the State Government not to rush in to its plan to set aside 15% of WA’s gas reserves for domestic use.

The Chamber of Commerce & Industry has reportedly said the Government’s gas reservation policy could have long-term effects on the state’s gas industry and create distortions in the domestic gas market.

Earlier this month, Premier Alan Carpenter said the Government would ask gas producers in WA to reserve 15% of their gas for domestic use, rather than be exported as liquefied natural gas to markets in Asia and North America.

The announcement followed six months of heated public clashes between Carpenter, Federal Minister for Resources Ian Macfarlane and Woodside chief executive Don Voelte.

Macfarlane has argued that the plan would deter investment and exploration, while Carpenter has said reserving a portion of gas from LNG projects for the domestic market was not a new concept.

https://www.energynewsbulletin.net/g...nto-gas-policy

Ian Macfarlane as the federal minister for resources fought tooth and nail to discourage this gas reservation policy because it was a 'bad idea' - but in 2022 WA has the cheapest gas prices in the nation specifically BECAUSE of this policy.

Then looking at former federal resources minister Ian Macfarlane in 2022, he's the CEO of the Queensland Resources Council - maybe thats why QLD also has no gas reservation policy?

Then the following government of the opposing faction, their federal minister for resources approves a bunch of LNG export programs in his time and in 2022 is sitting on the board of APPEA:

https://www.appea.com.au/

Seems a bit suspect to me where you have politicians arguing against the best interest of Australian citizens, then they end up in highly paid 'alphabet positions' in the same industry sectors they were responsible for?

[kevino]

This same Ian McFarlane is screaming blue murder because the Qld govt is increasing coal royalty payments for the first time in ten yes ten years.
And coal prices are at record highs because of global demand spiking because of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by kevino

This same Ian McFarlane is screaming blue murder because the Qld govt is increasing coal royalty payments for the first time in ten yes ten years.
And coal prices are at record highs because of global demand spiking because of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Or is it just a convenient excuse to make ridiculous profit, all the multinationals are getting fat
on increased prices yet workers are hit with higher interest rates on top of everything….

Inflation it seems, is only bad for those who have to pay for the excesses of others….
Conveniently blame covid support for workers when that money went to mostly businesses
who were able to conjure a 30% loss in previous year profits….creative accounting at its best.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by kevino

This same Ian McFarlane is screaming blue murder because the Qld govt is increasing coal royalty payments for the first time in ten yes ten years.
And coal prices are at record highs because of global demand spiking because of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Originally Posted by jpd80

Or is it just a convenient excuse to make ridiculous profit, all the multinationals are getting fat
on increased prices yet workers are hit with higher interest rates on top of everything….

Inflation it seems, is only bad for those who have to pay for the excesses of others….
Conveniently blame covid support for workers when that money went to mostly businesses
who were able to conjure a 30% loss in previous year profits….creative accounting at its best.

We're onto them lads, await the incoming 'defamation' lawsuit thanks to that 'online safety bill' which for some very strange reason, seems to only target our very loose definitions of 'defamation' in which the accused has to prove they didn't defame the accuser - its around backwards

You have 'defamed' me by your legitimate criticism of my actions, sell your house to raise $500,000 to fight my bull**** legal filing against you, or retract your statements and publicly apologise

Amazing how you can use it to silence criticism, particularly from journalists.

I retract my statements and I believe that Mr Macfarlane has represented Australian citizens best interest with his oil and gas 'policies' during his time as Australia's federal minister for resources. Even if said actions resulted in shortages of our own resources into our own market, resulting in the highest prices for our own resources we've ever paid.


In other news my old man dutifully informs me he purchased 98 for the 'cheap' price of $2.18/L locally today, where as in Melbourne it was $2.25/L for 91.

Bring back COVID lockdowns - $1.20/L for 98

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by MrEL

Issue is trying to get LPG easily now. Most servos in Sydney have got rid of it

Now that all the taxis are Hybrid Camry's It's next to impossible to Find a servo that sells LPG..!

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Now that all the taxis are Hybrid Camry's It's next to impossible to Find a servo that sells LPG..!

So, are petrolspy and fuelcheck not accurate?

Granted, there's not that many around compared to what there probably used to be, but it seems like there's still enough stockists around to enable a dedicated lpg vehicle to be practical.

Not trying to be smart, just trying to understand the level of my 'risk' should I decide to travel in the ute.

[T3rminator]

Started using Petrolspy a couple of weeks ago. It is surprisingly accurate for 98. I'm still filling up for $2.05 (98), there is a Sleven station just a few Ks from me that seems to be forever low.

[Citroënbender]

Fuelcheck is reasonably accurate, a few servos extract the #1 by dropping their price just before closing then reporting their new price, as it puts them (briefly) at the top of a cheap list; good to lodge in peoples’ minds as a cheap outlet even if not.

Were I travelling further with an LPG ute I’d probably carry two 9kg bottles and an adaptor filler hose.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Fuelcheck is reasonably accurate, a few servos extract the #1 by dropping their price just before closing then reporting their new price, as it puts them (briefly) at the top of a cheap list; good to lodge in peoples’ minds as a cheap outlet even if not.

Were I travelling further with an LPG ute I’d probably carry two 9kg bottles and an adaptor filler hose.

Hmmm you should keep that quiet since it is illegal.

[kevino]

Check out todays new daily.com.au for the latest on the great pay no tax has export rip off.
11 june