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This became its own truth due to the animal and human trials being done at the same time, due to the unprecedented urgency. The animal trials had been completed when the vaccine was in normal use. So not skipped, and there is no record of "all the animals dying" in the animal trials that were completed. "the claims that the vaccines had skipped animal trials due to animal death was untrue. None had significant safety issues to report in their respective animal trials, as seen under “5.3 Non-Clinical Studies” sections of the EUAs for Pfizer-BioNTech , Moderna and Johnson & Johnson " By now, these vaccines have probably had more microscopes on them than any in history. They have passed all tests. You are right, there are still chances that there my be issues way down the track, but there is probably more chance of this with any other medication released in the last 10 years. https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL2N2NJ1IK
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Data valid as at 00:00 GMT October 28th 2021.
Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting. 2,038 new cases for Australia and 27 deaths so the CMR is 1.022% - the first time it has risen in months. 96 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.467%. The UK had 39,006 cases yesterday and 165 deaths for a CMR of 1.636%. 96,197 new cases in the USA yesterday and 2,319 deaths sees CMR at 1.. Note that the CMR has started to rise again after falling steadily the last two months. Other notable points: Global cases pass 246M, the last 1M in 2 days; North America passes 56M cases; Asia passes 79M cases; Ukraine (26,701); and Russia (40,096) ... recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day. No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while Venezuela and Angola drop below.
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Some pretty crazy weather happening in Melb as we speak, not sure if other parts of Vic are getting it. Just when regional trips were on the cards.
That is now 3 from 3!!!.....the last 3 major change in restrictions easing has had extreme wild weather the day or 2 before. Arghhhhh!! Was planning a trip to Mt Macedon tomorrow but looks like it might be wise to cancel. ![]()
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All new medical breakthroughs fail until they succeed, but we generally don't keep regarding them as unsafe because there were failures in their early development. |
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It is actually a great example of misleading using evidence (and yes, it happens on both sides, and no, I am not referring to you, but the original person who twisted the evidence). Every mouse that was used in testing did die. When the testing halted (was finished) they were all euthanised. So you could say without lying that "normal animal testing was skipped and when it was halted , every mouse died." And that gets shared all around the world. A footnote - there was a Sars vaccine in 2004 that did cause liver issues in ferrets, and it didnt progress because of that. That result has made its way into some of the stories about the latest vaccines, with people initially confusing it as Sars is a result of another coronavirus, but they are totally unrelated.
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With all the garbage being sprouted it is a bit hard to sort through what is fact or fiction. |
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MSM and politicians deliberately lie by omission!!
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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But again, is that a reason not to get vaccinated. The one undisputed fact is that the chance of dying from Covid is much less for the vaccinated. Also the symptoms are less severe for those who are vaccinated. Dr Terry |
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-...room/100579998
18yo female and 22yo male. Funny comments online about being double jabbed |
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I find it amusing as to how many so called experts frequent social media and how the gullible believe them. Last edited by Itsme; 29-10-2021 at 06:49 PM. |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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This is closer to correct than the earlier statement that vaccinations did not help reduce the spread. The increase in numbers wee have seen in various countries that came out of lockdown seems to be largely a case of doing so too soon with target rates of 70% and 'real' rates mostly sub 60%. That leaves an awful lot of unvaccinated people to get exposed and thus case numbers go up.
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Well it looks like at least another week of WFH for me. They are giving us an update next week.
I got my slacks and shirts ironed, hair cut, and the car is booked in for a service next week. I'll be ready to go so hopefully from the 8th at the latest. |
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Those who are vaxxed believe everything is all of a sudden back to normal, so forget social distancing, no masks, no QR check ins etc. Add to that the the non-vaxxers don't care two hoots about others, & the numbers of dis-believing numb-nuts who think that the whole Covid thing is a world wide conspiracy, or even worse simply believe that it doesn't exist at all ! Dr Terry |
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I drank what?
Join Date: May 2006
Location: In a state of confusion
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Everywhere. It's happening daily. Even if there's only 1 new infection tomorrow, it's increased by 1 case from the day before.
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down from X hundred the day before.
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The problem I have is what are the expectations were of vaccination.
It has always been about preventing you from landing up in hospital or in the worse case the grave. Plenty of stories about those against it begging for a jab on their death bed when they are far gone. Since we have such a high rate of vaccination now, I don't agree with distinction between the two. ACT gov are not bothering enforcing this passport concept but business are free to do so if they wish but I can't see many doing so. Why would they? |
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Budget Racer
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ROFLMAO
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With Victoria’s new far-reaching draconian laws now a virtual certainty, Dan assured all of full transparency?
So WHY the sudden secrecy regarding what I’d consider quite an important statistic? https://amp.theaustralian.com.au/bre...0233cc91e1cb92
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I believe AZ as one example with its risk of blood clots has not bode well for the masses along with governments handling of the vaccination roll out, also with different state CHO's views has thrown a lot of confusion. Now as with most vaccinations trialing periods usually are lengthy process which can take years before before being approved for use with the public; with covid vaccinations well they have been fast tracked to be released and I think this is where some of the public hold suspicion protocol has not been followed correctly hence for their reasons not wanting to be vaccinated. The problem is no one knows if there will be any side effects to the vaccinations if any in the future, this is what got people worried. This is what I'm hearing when I talk to some people in conversations about the vaccination. I also think people are resisting for the very reason of being forced to have the jab, I have had people saying they like to make their own informed decision to be vaccinated not to be told or forced by politicians, if this is an antivaxxers thinking I don't know but I'm hearing a lot of this lately through work. Then the last reason as you put it you will have the Tin Foil Hat Brigade along with the nutters who will believe in any conspiracies. Last edited by Itsme; 30-10-2021 at 02:27 AM. Reason: edited |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Those people and antivaxxers are too 'online' for their own good I think. Information and misinformation overload because some people want notoriety or grift by being antivaxx and spreading conspiracy theories for their own attention and purposes. Last edited by oldel; 30-10-2021 at 03:28 AM. |
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It could be argued that Pfizer was more "risky" than AZ, (both with very minor percentages of any side effects though) but Pfizer came out looking very "rosy" in the end. The supposed heart issue from receiving Pfizer was kept very quiet, even though they recommended it not be given to those over 60. Dr Terry |
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