Covid 19 -

[zilo]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

2. A war is where people fight each other, how can you have a war crime if there is no war.

If Covid was developed in a bio weapons lab then it is a war....

just might take a while to rule it in or out.

[Itsme]

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[FairmontGS]

Greece makes vaccines mandatory for over 60s and adds the annual fine to your tax bill.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/11/30/...vid-19-vaccine

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by zilo

Got my third vaccine three days ago in Covid infested victoria.

Told me that 5 months was long enough...can have Pfizer, AZ or Moderna...they don't care any more.

Went for Pfizer.

Now glowing in the dark with all sorts of monkey juice.

Also tried the new DIY covid tests from chemist...$15.

Just be warned the instructions are in Chinglish....when you mix it up pour it in the hole marked ''S" ...doesn't say that anywhere....



Anyway have to wait tll the 15th to get back to tassie....reason for using DIY? If I test positive with the PCR kit they lock me up god knows where for a fortnight....

with the DIY kit they don't know....

congrats, let us know the sex in 3mths happy for you and the family

[Burnout]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Greece makes vaccines mandatory for over 60s and adds the annual fine to your tax bill.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/11/30/...vid-19-vaccine

Interesting, considering the Greeks are notorious for not paying or avoiding tax.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Burnout

Interesting, considering the Greeks are notorious for not paying or avoiding tax.

LOL probably more a previous generalization but a nice soft law that makes it look like you are doing something.

[russellw]

NSW/VIC
NSW records 251 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.0570 (from 1.0135) while the actual line is further above the predictive trend line which is now a 6th order polynomial.



VIC records 1,179 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.0103 (from 0.9912) while the actual line remains just below the predictive trend.

[Cav]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Why are Victoria's numbers being so stubborn?

There's a recent article by Monash Uni I missed that discusses possibilities and links to some earlier research:

Why did Sydney’s COVID case numbers fall faster than Melbourne’s? Climate may offer clues

https://theconversation.com/why-did-...r-clues-171592

Earlier from ANU:

Why has Victoria struggled more than NSW with COVID? To a demographer, they’re not that different

https://theconversation.com/why-has-...fferent-161996

And from RMIT and UNSW suggesting that it is Melbourne's more manufacturing workforce as opposed to Sydney's white-collar that allowed more people to isolate and work from home in Sydney during the outbreaks:

Mapping COVID-19 spread in Melbourne shows link to job types and ability to stay home

https://theconversation.com/mapping-...ay-home-143610

It must be Dan

There is no other logical explanation

Want proof?

Move him to NSW and see what happens, but not Qld, we have our own problem child.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Greece makes vaccines mandatory for over 60s and adds the annual fine to your tax bill.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/11/30/...vid-19-vaccine

It's got nothing to do with their health, it's all about power and control. Surely after 2 years they'd all be dead already if it was as deadly as the media tell us.

A monthly fine? That's not a fine, just another subscription.

Now Demetrius has to cancel Netflix and no more Uber Eats, which in the long term would be beneficial.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by FTE217

congrats, let us know the sex in 3mths happy for you and the family

LOL...yeah...the chemist said it's real easy...just like a pregnancy test..


I said...HUH???

hint: don't wee into it...

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT November 30th 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

1,092 new cases for Australia and 9 deaths so the CMR is 0.954%.

132 new cases and 1 death for NZ so CMR is 0.380%.

The UK had 39,713 cases yesterday and 159 deaths for a CMR of 1.417%.

113,069 new cases in the USA yesterday and 979 deaths sees CMR at 1.625%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 263M, the last 1M in 1 day;
North America passes 59M cases;
Australia passes 2,000 deaths;

No countries
.... recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and no countries drop below.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Anyone else wonder as to how we got from Delta to Omicron? Well, here's the official explanation; in short, the WHO uses three classifications to categorise variants: variants of concern (VOC), variants of interest (VOI), and variants under monitoring (VUM).

Alpha — a variant of concern
Beta — a variant of concern
Gamma — a variant of concern
Delta — a variant of concern
Epsilon — formerly a monitored variant
Zeta — formerly a monitored variant
Eta — variant under monitoring, formerly of interest
Theta — formerly a monitored variant
Iota — variant under monitoring, formerly of interest
Kappa — variant under monitoring, formerly of interest
Lambda — a variant of interest
Mu — a variant of interest
Omicron — a variant of concern

So, what happened to Nu and Xi?
According to a WHO spokesperson, Nu was skipped because "it is too easily confounded with 'new'."

Meanwhile, the organisation opted against using Xi as it is a common surname. "WHO best practices for naming new diseases ... suggest avoiding 'causing offence to any cultural, social, national, regional, professional or ethnic groups'," they said.

All of this is also detailed on the WHO website.

[ford71V8]

And USA numbers back to the 100000+ daily cases and ~1000 deaths.
Those low numbers the other day standout like a fluro outlier

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Anyone else wonder as to how we got from Delta to Omicron? Well, here's the official explanation; in short, the WHO uses three classifications to categorise variants: variants of concern (VOC), variants of interest (VOI), and variants under monitoring (VUM).

Alpha — a variant of concern
Beta — a variant of concern
Gamma — a variant of concern
Delta — a variant of concern
Epsilon — formerly a monitored variant
Zeta — formerly a monitored variant
Eta — variant under monitoring, formerly of interest
Theta — formerly a monitored variant
Iota — variant under monitoring, formerly of interest
Kappa — variant under monitoring, formerly of interest
Lambda — a variant of interest
Mu — a variant of interest
Omicron — a variant of concern

So, what happened to Nu and Xi?
According to a WHO spokesperson, Nu was skipped because "it is too easily confounded with 'new'."

Meanwhile, the organisation opted against using Xi as it is a common surname. "WHO best practices for naming new diseases ... suggest avoiding 'causing offence to any cultural, social, national, regional, professional or ethnic groups'," they said.

All of this is also detailed on the WHO website.

I would have taken a Ping at Xi being left off.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by tweeked

I would have taken a Ping at Xi being left off.

Scientists could have called the variant “Winnie” instead?

[CoupeKing]

Just be grateful that there are people out there gradually shining light into dark places.

Hold the line.

[Citroënbender]

I was just looking at an aerial photograph of the Howard Springs detention centre; it’s genuinely surprising to note the lack of solar panels on roofs. Surely there are fixings rated for potentially cyclonic conditions.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by ford71V8

And USA numbers back to the 100000+ daily cases and ~1000 deaths.
Those low numbers the other day standout like a fluro outlier

I have noticed that there weekend reporting has dropped off and thus we get big numbers on Monday/Tuesday here as they filter through. Makes it hard to track trends though.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Scientists could have called the variant “Winnie” instead?

Winning Blues or Winnie Mandela?.........

[russellw]

NSW/VIC
NSW records 271 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.0627 (from 1.0570) while the actual line is further above the predictive trend line.



VIC records 1,419 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.0500 (from 1.0103) while the actual line moves slightly above the predictive trend.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Well, we've been caught up in the Covid triangle again. Got an email from my daughter's school yesterday afternoon advising that a confirmed case attended the school on 26th Nov and that she was identified as a 'school-based contact'. as a result, she needs to get a PCR test 'straight away' and isolate until the test result comes back.

She was about to start work at Target when I read the message, so called her straight away. The manager then made the decision to have all employees that afternoon who were students at that school, not work.

So, she's booked in this morning for her test. I have heard that test results are currently taking more than 24 hours to come back, with some up to 3 days. I hope that her results don't take that long. Not a great way to finish off the 2021 school year. Let's just hoe that 2022 is a better year.

[russellw]

While we have seen the CMR gradually reducing globally, it isn't reducing at a rate that it should be given the lower mortality rates for vaccinated people and a look at the whole of pandemic trends, seems to support the view that it isn't improving as much as it should.

Let's start with the global case numbers. In the chart below, you can clearly see the 5 individual waves with the 3rd being the most severe and the current one (mostly Europe) currently better than the previous two although it hasn't peaked yet. The trend line is, however, quite flat so that's a good sign.



The whole of pandemic mortality graph below shows a not dissimilar pattern of 'waves' although they aren't quite as defined but the current trend is still upwards.



The final chart plots the daily CMR for this year (2021) and while it's not an absolute measure, the trend should be downward and while it did dip a bit over September/October, it's trending upward again.



About the only ray of light is the mortality model which shows that the trend is now running with the lower of the two predictive lines whereas it had been above the higher of the two liners earlier this year.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Well, we've been caught up in the Covid triangle again. Got an email from my daughter's school yesterday afternoon advising that a confirmed case attended the school on 26th Nov and that she was identified as a 'school-based contact'. as a result, she needs to get a PCR test 'straight away' and isolate until the test result comes back.

She was about to start work at Target when I read the message, so called her straight away. The manager then made the decision to have all employees that afternoon who were students at that school, not work.

So, she's booked in this morning for her test. I have heard that test results are currently taking more than 24 hours to come back, with some up to 3 days. I hope that her results don't take that long. Not a great way to finish off the 2021 school year. Let's just hoe that 2022 is a better year.

That's a bit of a "bum" deal Sky Pilot, seems from this thread that your family, kids, have copped a bit more than what's seems fair
Nothing at all like here in Perth, good luck to your daughters with her PCR tests

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT December 1st 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

1,417 new cases for Australia and 5 deaths so the CMR is 0.950%.

147 new cases and 1 death for NZ so CMR is 0.375%.

The UK had 47,235 cases yesterday and 171 deaths for a CMR of 1.412%.

132,033 new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,799 deaths sees CMR at 1.625%.

Other notable points:
Europe passes 74M cases;
South America passes 39M cases;

Finland (1,570);
South Korea (5,120); and
Denmark (5,120)

.... recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Portugal moves above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and no countries drop below.

[FairmontGS]

If you overlay the NSW and VIC figures from Russ' models then this is what it looks like based on a common start date for the 4 most significant outbreaks. I'd struggled sometimes to picture them all for duration and severity.



https://www.covid19data.com.au/compare-outbreaks

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Just be grateful that there are people out there gradually shining light into dark places.

Hold the line.

There have been reports that most employers (and colleagues) are more than happy for these people to be stood down and let go.
In most cases they're the people they've been trying to get rid of for years.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

There have been reports that most employers (and colleagues) are more than happy for these people to be stood down and let go.
In most cases they're the people they've been trying to get rid of for years.

Yeap and happening in my area right now, down without pay until you sort it out. I assume take to long to sort it out and you are gone.

It will hit the news stands in QLD and WA in another couple of months.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Yeap and happening in my area right now, down without pay until you sort it out. I assume take to long to sort it out and you are gone.

It will hit the news stands in QLD and WA in another couple of months.

I might be a bit slow cause I've been out in the sun today, but you lost me with that comment

[russellw]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Yeap and happening in my area right now, down without pay until you sort it out. I assume take to long to sort it out and you are gone.

It will hit the news stands in QLD and WA in another couple of months.

It will effectively come down to the simple fact that where a State law of order requires vaccination for a worker and that worker refuses to have a vaccination then the contract of employment is 'frustrated' by those actions and the employer will be able to terminate.

The only real question mark at the moment, is what is a reasonable amount of time to wait before taking that action.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by russellw

It will effectively come down to the simple fact that where a State law of order requires vaccination for a worker and that worker refuses to have a vaccination then the contract of employment is 'frustrated' by those actions and the employer will be able to terminate.

The only real question mark at the moment, is what is a reasonable amount of time to wait before taking that action.

Perhaps, either way unless you have been living under a rock (must not name states) then this has been coming and employees were given notice. From what I have seen, perhaps some smaller business might be a bit more lax.

Originally Posted by DJR-351

I might be a bit slow cause I've been out in the sun today, but you lost me with that comment

haha its been 33 here and drying up the flood water quiet nicely, I was poking some fun, Ive noticed QLD'ers have suddenly realized that they need to get the jab to hold must jobs...something that has been occurring down south for sometime. When Pauline Hansen is chanting about human rights you know something is amiss.

Im not kidding but we have an acquaintance in QLD, who is educated enough, holds a professional cert in health care (mental) who quit her job due to being forced to vaccinate. Then took another job in QLD education who have also just recently mandated the same thing....FMD.