Covid 19 -

[slowsnake]

If charges were dropped it means that they did not have sufficient evidence to proceed, the eyewitness may of been too far away for instance, she dident assault the boy, he requested it, but the boys family must of been complicit as he is under the age of 16 yrs.
And if she did it multiple times before being stopped, then the folk who had the fake injection would only commit themselves to a perjury charge, but I have a feeling there may be another charge in relation to it, the alleged offence, who knows what goes on behind closed doors in the "corridors of power"

PS...the fact no reason was given leaves it wide open to public conjecture, that's what bites more than anything!

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by leesa

But thousands in australia have recovered without hydroxychloroquine and clinical trials have shown it has no benefit

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...lized-covid-19

My daughter (who just contracted COVID) takes that, along with other drugs for the treatment of her health issue, she is the sickest from the members of her family who have COVID

[Citroënbender]

A big uptick in NSW diagnosed cases today, not overly surprising but one ponders where it may lead. I can almost hear other borders slamming shut already.

[russellw]

NSW/VIC
NSW records 403 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.1101 (from 1.0339) while the actual line remains above the predictive trend line.



VIC records 1,312 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.0359 (from 1.0099) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend.

[Charliewool]

Soon?
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CXLUYEM...dium=copy_link

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Soon?

A virulent-sounding, racking cough would be a great ringtone when travelling on public transport.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

A virulent-sounding, racking cough would be a great ringtone when travelling on public transport.

I sound worse than that!......fair dinkum!.....

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT December 7th 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

1,428 new cases for Australia and 9 deaths so the CMR is 0.936%.

97 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.354%.

The UK had 45,102 cases yesterday and 180 deaths for a CMR of 1.381%.

114,532 new cases in the USA yesterday and 957 deaths sees CMR at 1.616%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 267M, the last 1M in 2 days;
Europe passes 78M cases;
France records its 2nd highest daily total, 393 days after the previous high;

Burkina Faso (354)

.... recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and the Ukraine drops below.

[russellw]

We've not looked at the case/mortality rates for a little while so here they are.

The global CMR is currently 1.977% with South America (3.03%) the worst continent and Oceania (1.13%) the best. Comparatively, in April this year when we last looked the global rate was 2.18% and Asia led the way with the lowest CMR at 1.50% while South America was 2.61%. Both charts are below (April is the first one).





Looking at some individual countries, Peru is still far and away the worst with 8.971% and that's much worse than the 3.364% it was in April. Elsewhere,m Australia has dropped from 3.102% to 0.936%; the UK from 2.916% to 1.381% while Brazil and Spain have both increased. April is the first chart again.





Finally, the case and mortality rates per 100k of population.

Cases/100k:

Back in April, the global rate was 2,308/100k and as you'd expect, it has climbed to 4,767/100k with Australia going from 153 to 1,225 which is the largest percentage gain.





Deaths/100k:

Back in April, the global rate was just over 50/100k and as you'd expect, it has climbed to 94/100k with Australia going from 5 to 11 while Russia has the largest percentage gain.

[EgoFG]

Please don't get me wrong, I am not an antivaxer, but because I respect those that have a good reason, I am marginally 'anti-vax mandate'. I got my shot as soon as it was available for me, so did all my immediate family

Originally Posted by b0son

Because the people talking the loudest about them were doing so looking for a reason to avoid vaccinating.

People were rejecting Quinine, azithromycin, Vit D well before there was a vaccine ... what was the concoction that Trump took - pre-vax ?

Originally Posted by b0son

I dont know any health system in a developed nation anywhere that would preach treatment over prevention, least of all in a pandemic.

I know what you are getting at here, and I agree somewhat, however I do not think it is a binary decision, it is not either/or. Also these treatments were suggested as being prophylactic as well. One day I will hunt down the analysis I read, but the premise in that review was not that it is a treatment for Covid, but rather it eliminates the other things that our body may be dealing with, so our immune system can better defend against, or defeat, the virus.

Originally Posted by b0son

Wasnt the effective dose of ivermectin well above what had been tested for its traditional use? Levels at which adverse reactions started to become a factor?

IIRC the over-dosage hype came from the theory that people were taking the horse dosage.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by russellw

We've not looked at the case/mortality rates for a little while so here they are.

Hello Russell, these figures you come up with, do they take into account time of year or season, will more folk die in the harsh colder winters in Northern hemisphere than Southern Countries do during our milder winters?

Or is it pretty even right across the board regardless of season?

Regards Billy.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Hello Russell, these figures you come up with, do they take into account time of year or season, will more folk die in the harsh colder winters in Northern hemisphere than Southern Countries do during our milder winters?

Or is it pretty even right across the board regardless of season?

Regards Billy.

It isn't even across seasons but the data is since the beginning of the pandemic so it is 21 months of data covering what is, effectively, 7 seasons.

[slowsnake]

Just reading up on Omicron variants, will try copy here!

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/08/who-...-pandemic.html

[ford71V8]

The articles talking about the risk of heart problems for young males (12-29) after having Moderna is making me feel anxious. I only recently took my 15yo in for his 1st Moderna. Making these choices for your kids is way tougher than worrying about yourself.


edit - the articles I have read look to be from Canada / US

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Just reading up on Omicron variants, will try copy here!

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/08/who-...-pandemic.html

Optimistic maybe? But this could spell the end of Covid? No deaths from Omnicron?
https://www.cityam.com/anxiously-opt...y-delta/?amp=1
1918 repeating itself?

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Optimistic maybe? But this could spell the end of Covid? No deaths from Omnicron?
https://www.cityam.com/anxiously-opt...y-delta/?amp=1
1918 repeating itself?

it mutating to a less-lethal strain is probably the best we can hope for.

[Citroënbender]

People are becoming so indoctrinated to be afraid, they will be subconsciously looking for a new fear to fill the vacancy.

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

People are becoming so indoctrinated to be afraid, they will be subconsciously looking for a new fear to fill the vacancy.

There will probably be a few different topics ready and willing to fill that vacancy. My bet is on either economic fears or the numbers of mental health issues even in people that previously had no mental health issues.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

People are becoming so indoctrinated to be afraid, they will be subconsciously looking for a new fear to fill the vacancy.

I fear you may be right

[russellw]

NSW/VIC
NSW records 420 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.1333 (from 1.1101) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend line.



VIC records 1,232 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 1.0349 (from 1.0359) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend.

[Cav]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

People are becoming so indoctrinated to be afraid, they will be subconsciously looking for a new fear scariant to fill the vacancy.

Fixed

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

People are becoming so indoctrinated to be afraid, they will be subconsciously looking for a new fear to fill the vacancy.

Our political leaders and the media both mainstream and alternative, have little interest in people being relaxed and calm about the future.

How will they ply their trade without something to save us from?

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by russellw

I wonder how much of the sudden jump in NSW infections is down to Omnicom muscling out Delta?

[Cav]

Originally Posted by russellw

We've not looked at the case/mortality rates for a little while so here they are.

The global CMR is currently 1.977% with South America (3.03%) the worst continent and Oceania (1.13%) the best. Comparatively, in April this year when we last looked the global rate was 2.18% and Asia led the way with the lowest CMR at 1.50% while South America was 2.61%. Both charts are below (April is the first one).

image

image

Looking at some individual countries, Peru is still far and away the worst with 8.971% and that's much worse than the 3.364% it was in April. Elsewhere,m Australia has dropped from 3.102% to 0.936%; the UK from 2.916% to 1.381% while Brazil and Spain have both increased. April is the first chart again.

image

image

Finally, the case and mortality rates per 100k of population.

Cases/100k:

Back in April, the global rate was 2,308/100k and as you'd expect, it has climbed to 4,767/100k with Australia going from 153 to 1,225 which is the largest percentage gain.

image

image

Deaths/100k:

Back in April, the global rate was just over 50/100k and as you'd expect, it has climbed to 94/100k with Australia going from 5 to 11 while Russia has the largest percentage gain.

image

image

Hey Russ

As you know I am a dumb grunt.

I don't quite understand all the terms and stats.

The one I do understand though is what % of population have died from Covid.

Am I right in suggesting that the graphs show a covid death % rate of 1.5% to 3% of the population?

It begs the question therefore, how does covid compare to normal 'flu?

The has been a French study

Findings 89 530 patients with COVID-19 and 45 819 patients with influenza were hospitalised in France during the respective study periods. The median age of patients was 68 years (IQR 52–82) for COVID-19 and 71 years (34–84) for influenza.

Patients with COVID-19 were more frequently obese or overweight, and more frequently had diabetes, hypertension, and dyslipidaemia than patients with influenza, whereas those with influenza more frequently had heart failure, chronic respiratory disease, cirrhosis, and deficiency anaemia.

Patients admitted to hospital with COVID-19 more frequently developed acute respiratory failure, pulmonary embolism, septic shock, or haemorrhagic
stroke than patients with influenza, but less frequently developed myocardial infarction or atrial fibrillation.

In-hospital mortality was higher in patients with COVID-19 than in patients with influenza (15 104 [16·9%] of 89530 vs 2640 [5·8%] of 45819), with a relative risk of death of 2·9 (95% CI 2·8–3·0) and an age-standardised
mortality ratio of 2·82.

Of the patients hospitalised, the proportion of paediatric patients (<18 years) was smaller for COVID-19 than for influenza (1227 [1·4%] vs 8942 [19·5%]), but a larger proportion of patients younger than 5 years needed intensive care support for COVID-19 than for influenza (14 [2·3%] of 613 vs 65 [0·9%] of 6973).

In adolescents (11–17 years), the in-hospital mortality was ten-times higher for COVID-19 than for influenza (five [1·1% of 458 vs one [0·1%] of 804), and patients with COVID-19 were more frequently obese or overweight.

https://www.thelancet.com/action/sho...2820%2930527-0

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT December 8th 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

1,708 new cases for Australia and 7 deaths so the CMR is 0.932%.

88 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.352%.

The UK had 50,617 cases yesterday and 161 deaths for a CMR of 1.376%.

142,124 new cases in the USA yesterday and 2,200 deaths sees CMR at 1.616%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 268M, the last 1M in 1 day;
North America passes 60M cases;
France passes 8M cases;

Zimbabwe (4,996);
Norway (5,259);
South Korea (7,174); and
France (61,340)

.... recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and none drop below.

[slowsnake]

Just wondering about next year/seasons flu shot, will come about same time as my Pfizer booster!

https://www.health.gov.au/news/updat...-december-2021

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

Our political leaders and the media both mainstream and alternative, have little interest in people being relaxed and calm about the future.

How will they ply their trade without something to save us from?

John Howard thrived on that

[slowsnake]

That's the peoples fault, no one to blame if you cant handle life, you either change or go stale!

[russellw]

Originally Posted by Cav

Am I right in suggesting that the graphs show a covid death % rate of 1.5% to 3% of the population?

It begs the question therefore, how does covid compare to normal 'flu?

The generally accepted CMR for Influenza is considered to be 0.1% in developed countries. The problem, statistically speaking, with that study is it is entirely based on hospitalisation figures so if you wanted an analysis of your relative chance of dying from CODI19 v Influenza once hospitalised, it's a good guide.

The reality is that the percentage of people who get Influenza and never go near a hospital is huge compared to those who get COVID and end up in hospital.

Without going massively into detail; in Australia about 12% of COVID cases end up hospitalised with 4.1% of those ending up in ICU.

The hospitalisation rate varies significantly by age group with 46.9% of 80-89 year-old cases being hospitalised compared to 2.2% for the 2029 age group.

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Just wondering about next year/seasons flu shot, will come about same time as my Pfizer booster!

https://www.health.gov.au/news/updat...-december-2021

You'll have more pricks than a second hand dart board..............