Covid 19 -

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

nah, but google and facebook will

And, so long as you grab some essential supplies whilst your there its not a problem.
If you're on your way to get a haircut and get pulled over you don't tell them you're on your way to get a haircut, you say I need bread and milk and whilst im there i'll get a haircut next door at the hairdresser, you've met the essential needs criteria in the intention to get bread and milk. Now, if you got pulled over on the way home and said I went for bread and milk, got a haircut and have no bread and milk to show, you've got a problem.
Just align your need for a haircut with a need to leave home for an essential reason.

Is this really that hard to understand or are people just being awkward for the sake of being awkward.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by BAWITHLOT

I guess some people here don't have any elderly parents or want to have any.

My mother is in the high risk group, 71 year old with diabetes type 2, one kidney and is due for heart bypass surgery next week. She's in The Netherlands on her own with her family being in Australia. She's practicing self isolation and social distancing to avoid the risk of catching this virus. Unfortunately I can't travel to see her for her heart operation next week due to the travel restrictions. It's a very stressful time not being able to visit but I trust she's in safe hands, the specialists there are very good and have assured her she'll be fine.

The notion that I don't care is utterly ridiculous.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by guzzis3

Most of the stupidity doesn't affect me personally, but it's p'ing off an awful lot of people and when it hits the fan having your head in the sand won't save anyone.

Save anyone from what, a bunch of bogans in Everlast singlets flexing the only guns they possess...lol
This isn't 'Murica, Aussies don't do jack **** but bitch and whinge on social media forums, but im sure they'd be naïve enough to think if they keep it up long enough it'll get noticed.

[roKWiz]

CB wrote.....I’m insisting on advance emails from clients, that relate to longer journeys, and carrying a print of it on the passenger seat. A bit tedious but harder to dispute.

That is what vehicle signwriting is for if you are obviously working.
Hard to dispute.

(No everyone, don't go out and buy stick on bogus business names on your cars.)

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

After seeing the vid (with a couple of his books coincidentally facing outwards in camera range) I looked him up and he's a clever boy.

Written a couple of books, claimed to have invented Email and (according to Wiki) used social media to spread various conspiracy theories and misinformation about the pandemic.

I only lasted about 20min. I have never heard somebody use so many words but not actually say anything of value. Once this guy got his degree did he ever actually get a job anywhere in any medical field? Ran for a senate seat and got 3% of the vote. Definitely a high achiever.

[oldel]

Originally Posted by Romulus

The notion that I don't care is utterly ridiculous.

Look up the textbook definition of psychopath

[Citroënbender]

The push-pull of “How long will restrictions actually last in Australia?” continues.

NSW police head, last week - 90 days
NSW Premier, last week - may lift restrictions next month
PM today - at least four more weeks

FC should be running a book on it.


Unrelated, but since it was mentioned: Romulus, best wishes to your mother for her surgery - it’s a more daunting prospect now.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

The push-pull of “How long will restrictions actually last in Australia?” continues.

NSW police head, last week - 90 days
NSW Premier, last week - may lift restrictions next month
PM today - at least four more week.

To be fair it has been a continually changing landscape so we'll probably not know for sure until it's upon us.
In all honesty, I didn't think we'd be doing so well in such a short space of time, but then again Winter isn't here yet so as i said pages ago, we've been fairly lucky from a timing sense, however, I think it's still too early to claim a victory and get back to normal.
I think a lot of it is testament to our medical hierarchy and us and despite the things we can look at with hindsight as deficiencies with the systems, for the most part it's been handled fairly well.
People just need to calm down.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

The push-pull of “How long will restrictions actually last in Australia?” continues.

NSW police head, last week - 90 days
NSW Premier, last week - may lift restrictions next month
PM today - at least four more weeks

.

What I don't get is why people think there is some kind of crystal ball that authorities have...

Restrictions will stay, not for a set time period but rather until certain conditions are met in society i.e. no new infections for x amount of days etc. It's impossible to set a time limit on it. By doing so you just set yourself up. The PM mentions a timeframe simply to let people know this isn't a short term thing. If we come out quicker than anticipated all well and good.

This is why the PM (federal govt) never went to full lockdown. He understood whatever restrictions got put in place they had to be sustainable long term. Why state govts were allowed to push their own agenda is a puzzle however the east coast are more heavily populated than the rest so there is a case there.

[nuthin' fancy]

Originally Posted by Romulus

This kind of rhetoric is pushed by the government and health agencies, but is without merit or foundation. Let's dissect this narrative for a moment, but not implication you personally;

I'm somehow responsible for another persons state of health?
I'm somehow responsible for their compromised immune system and their inability to look after themselves and not put themselves at risk?
I'm to suffer financially and emotionally to save someone else who's at risk?
I'm to blame if I go about my general business and they get sick and die?

Nope, not buying the argument for one moment. That attitude is symptomatic of 25 years of 'everyone gets a medal for participation' and not picking winners and losers. As an adult YOU have the RESPONSIBILITY to look after YOURSELF.

It's surprising just to see how many adult children we're living with in society.

Just wow.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

And, so long as you grab some essential supplies whilst your there its not a problem.
If you're on your way to get a haircut and get pulled over you don't tell them you're on your way to get a haircut, you say I need bread and milk and whilst im there i'll get a haircut next door at the hairdresser, you've met the essential needs criteria in the intention to get bread and milk. Now, if you got pulled over on the way home and said I went for bread and milk, got a haircut and have no bread and milk to show, you've got a problem.
Just align your need for a haircut with a need to leave home for an essential reason.

Is this really that hard to understand or are people just being awkward for the sake of being awkward.

It was just a sarcastic observation, I couldn't care less about the conversation ;)

..I'm leaving now.

[Franco Cozzo]

The restrictions don't really effect me too much personally - it got me out of seeing the extended family over Easter this year which was very nice, I usually spend Easter in Adelaide away from them all

I'm yet to have involvement with the police even though I've been on the road more than ever for work, but I've been on my best behavior on the roads because there's a lot less people and it seems many more police all over our freeways at the moment

Do the restrictions effect me personally? Only a little, its just curbed the weekends, I'm not fussed on the effects on my own life but I don't agree with how Victoria Police has handled the situation.

Yes our State Government have had to do some 'policy on the run' to initially bring it under control and there is an appeal system. The whole idea about an appeal system is for extraordinary circumstances or a review, having an appeal system isn't a substitute for crappy legislation and authoritarian enforcement and then put the onus on the person faced with the massive fine to have it overturned when there is no accountability on the people handing them out.

Its a backwards way of addressing a problem, you need to address the problem at the beginning, not work from the result backwards and push everyone into the appeal system, don't **** it up royally in the first place.

I have issues with largely ambiguous legislation but I understand we cannot have it so refined and to the point, but that's not what I'm asking for.

If you want an example of ambiguous legislation you can harness as a weapon, I'm sure everyone has come across a unionised workplace where the health and safety rep uses Section 21 of the OHS Act 2004 as a nuclear weapon and cause dramas on their beck and call, you can just about get anyone on a contravention of s21 and disrupt a workplace or tie up management with a bureaucratic nightmare:

'(1) An employer must, so far as is reasonably practicable, provide and maintain for employees of the employer a working environment that is safe and without risks to health.'

There's a lot of brandying about this 'common sense' term, what is 'common sense'? Something that I consider 'common sense' seems is a light bulb moment for some of the retards I have to deal with or manage on a daily basis, I shouldn't have to spell everything out, hold peoples hands and tell them to wipe their *** after they take a ****, but no, I have to because otherwise things fall over the moment you stop spelling out the obvious.

Keep the $1600 fine, keep the restrictions but have some accountability over the questionable fines, if you keep slipping up like this then there should be repercussions, just like any other person is held to account everywhere else in our jobs.

Then there's the whole you can only do A,B C and D and everything else is banned, but hold up we can still run the horse racing industry and now real estate inspections are allowed but everyone else is still out of work and can't do anything? Or initially Crown Casino was let off the hook until Victorians started questioning everyone else being shut down except Crown Casino and its epic gambling facilities being allowed to run?

The State Government and Victoria Police need to do better, its not a case of needing more resources, its a case of using the existing resources you have more efficiently.

[CyberWasp]

At the end of the day despite what beliefs you have about the virus and how the government(s) are handling it, we have a sector of fellow Australians in various occupations who found themselves out of work virtually overnight through no fault of their own.
If staying at home as often as possible is what is needed to maximise the chances of restrictions easing, and getting them back into employment, then I am happy to comply with no complaints.
It is the least the people with unaffected occupations can do.
Joe Public can make this happen quickly or drag it out for months and months longer than necessary.
We owe it to these people to get them back as soon as possible.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

I feel for you mate, my Dad has kidney failure and is in and out of hospital constantly now. My mum had heart surgery in Feb and an operation for cancer two weeks ago. It's been extremely stressful for all and the worst possible timing...

Hope things go well as they can. Similar concerns here for my good mate on his chemo, fortunately one week past the final dose for now.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

At the end of the day despite what beliefs you have about the virus and how the government(s) are handling it, we have a sector of fellow Australians in various occupations who found themselves out of work virtually overnight through no fault of their own.
If staying at home as often as possible is what is needed to maximise the chances of restrictions easing, and getting them back into employment, then I am happy to comply with no complaints.
It is the least the people with unaffected occupations can do.
Joe Public can make this happen quickly or drag it out for months and months longer than necessary.
We owe it to these people to get them back as soon as possible.

Well said

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

It was just a sarcastic observation, I couldn't care less about the conversation ;)

..I'm leaving now.

[BENT_8]

Lets not forget, it wasn't until the Bondi Beach incident that Govco started tightening the screws and then a week later we see St Kilda put on its own show despite the fallout of Bondi, the writing was on the wall but people still pushed the boundaries.
There's no doubt the Vic Police in particular have been on a mission, but from the outside looking in it would appear as though they we're just pushing back with authority and have now been asked to show some discretion.

You only have to take notice of many of the questions asked of what can and cant be done through various platforms to see that people still don't want to accept the reality of it and are still looking to find loopholes or test the measures.

As Cyber alluded to, just suck it up, let it runs its course and we'll all be back sledging each other at the footy or in the parity thread in no time.

[superyob]

Originally Posted by Romulus

This kind of rhetoric is pushed by the government and health agencies, but is without merit or foundation. Let's dissect this narrative for a moment, but not implication you personally;

I'm somehow responsible for another persons state of health?
I'm somehow responsible for their compromised immune system and their inability to look after themselves and not put themselves at risk?
I'm to suffer financially and emotionally to save someone else who's at risk?
I'm to blame if I go about my general business and they get sick and die?

Nope, not buying the argument for one moment. That attitude is symptomatic of 25 years of 'everyone gets a medal for participation' and not picking winners and losers. As an adult YOU have the RESPONSIBILITY to look after YOURSELF.

It's surprising just to see how many adult children we're living with in society.

Totally agree. Unfortunately, you cop the most flak when you are over the target and at odds with an official narrative that demands its adherents' total obeisance. Your detractors are obviously ok with having future generations pay off the eye watering amount of 'free' money handed out like confetti, and the insidiously noxious conditions attached to its borrowing. So long as they're OK Jack...

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by superyob

Your detractors are obviously ok with having future generations pay off the eye watering amount of 'free' money handed out like confetti, and the insidiously noxious conditions attached to its borrowing. So long as they're OK Jack...

You'd be wrong, I don't agree with it at all and the truth is by the time the money reaches its destination, we'll be well on the way back anyway.
With hindsight im sure they'd have handled it differently, they cant really retract any of it now, damned if they do, damned if they don't, but something common in these situations are those that swing in late with 20/20 hindsight and proclaim how it could have been done better.

[superyob]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

You'd be wrong, I don't agree with it at all and the truth is by the time the money reaches its destination, we'll be well on the way back anyway.
With hindsight im sure they'd have handled it differently, they cant really retract any of it now, damned if they do, damned if they don't, but something common in these situations are those that swing in late with 20/20 hindsight and proclaim how it could have been done better.

I don't have any special knowledge or intuition about anything more complex than a carton of beer. The pile on resulting from the comments that I highlighted however was little more than screeching about 'Look how virtuous I am...'

[prydey]

Originally Posted by superyob

Your detractors are obviously ok with having future generations pay off the eye watering amount of 'free' money handed out

perhaps they would have been better off growing up with no parents and no economy?

[oldel]

Originally Posted by superyob

I don't have any special knowledge or intuition about anything more complex than a carton of beer. The pile on resulting from the comments that I highlighted however was little more than screeching about 'Look how virtuous I am...'

Are you demanding equality for dumb opinions?
In my mind they should be shouted down for the weak thinking behind them. But you do you and grab onto that recent excuse of virtue signalling to dismiss any negative feedback. Snowflakes love that insta-excuse.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Romulus

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, as am I. You are also not required to respond if I use words or have a position that hurts you or your feelings.

I’ll continue to say not everyone is believing this man made media induced panic demic.

Curious Romulus?.... If and when there’s a vaccine available for Covid19 will you get immunised? (Or will that also be an invasion of your civil liberties?)

[Cav]

Are any of youse blokes on here in this picture?

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by superyob

Totally agree. Unfortunately, you cop the most flak when you are over the target and at odds with an official narrative that demands its adherents' total obeisance. Your detractors are obviously ok with having future generations pay off the eye watering amount of 'free' money handed out like confetti, and the insidiously noxious conditions attached to its borrowing. So long as they're OK Jack...

There's a lot of Dunning-Kruger analysis going on with what I said as you've rightfully observed.

[superyob]

Originally Posted by Cav

Are any of youse blokes on here in this picture?

image

The anonymous feet in the background scream 'Franco Cozzo'.

Or not...

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Curious Romulus?.... If and when there’s a vaccine available for Covid19 will you get immunised? (Or will that also be an invasion of your civil liberties?)

Will vaccine testing undergo the gold standard double blind randomised placebo based testing, or will it be tested against another vaccine like all these biologicals are treated?

Chances are, I'd probably have natural immunity to this virus before this vaccine is available.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by prydey

perhaps they would have been better off growing up with no parents and no economy?

I don’t think it’s really that cut and dry, the restrictions in this country have been massively successful and the death rate has using plain English and with respect to the family’s who have lost people they love has barely been a blip on the radar due to that success, Australians compliance with the rule set and our natural geography have no doubt contributed to this success.

Both my wife and myself are in some of the most high level public face to face interaction jobs left remaining, our 15 month old son goes to daycare as we both have no option of working at home, putting our family in a “high risk” situation, either of us could bring the virus home as could our son to us.

To compound this issue due to being unable to secure further daycare our son goes to his Nanna’s atleast once a week also exposing her to potential risk.

I’m not having a whinge, I’m very thankful to not be in a financially stressful position but at the same time if I buy into the rhetoric we are being forced to choose between our family’s health.

Mental health is a massive issue for the population under normal circumstances, ongoing unemployment causing drug and alcohol abuse, domestic pressures and suicides if we don’t start progressing to getting the country back to work these things are set to take a bigger toll than the virus itself.

I have nothing but time for the older generation and would hope when transitioning to a less restrictive environment that they would continue to take further self restrictive measures to stay safe, the same comment would go for those out there in the community that drink heavily, smoke, do recreational drugs, don’t exercise and have obesity induced health conditions.

I have no doubt it will be a long while before we are fully back to “Normal” But I’m very relieved to see Scomo come out talking about moving to a less restrictive model.

I don’t think having a view where asking those who are considered vulnerable need to take some personal responsibility for their health management makes you a psychopath, personally I would consider risking our children’s economic future due to ongoing lockdowns protecting people indefinitely to be absolute insanity.

[asagaai]

Back to a more sanguine mental status- or so I had hoped.

Been couped up and going a little nuts over the last few weeks with work and all this stuff and not being able to get out and about pressure has been building up causing me to release steam -unfortunately with some brain fade moments. Came to me today gotta try to let off steam by exercise.

Decided to go and do some laps in the ocean pool at lunchtime in Newcastle.

But then researched Covid 19- seems it can live days in water and in that 10 to 25 degrees zone it thrives, and in open water there is a risk of transmission via person infected/faecal material etc.

Now, imagine swimming in ocean pool, with water having Covid 19. Doing laps that water goes into ears, nose, and you do occasionally get a drop or two of water going into your mouth and down your throat.

Closed chemical pools are fine with chlorine and chemical dosing- it kills covid 19.

Surprised ocean pools allow people to do laps and exercise.

Ah well- will have to dust off my bike over the weekend.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by superyob

Totally agree. Unfortunately, you cop the most flak when you are over the target and at odds with an official narrative that demands its adherents' total obeisance. Your detractors are obviously ok with having future generations pay off the eye watering amount of 'free' money handed out like confetti, and the insidiously noxious conditions attached to its borrowing. So long as they're OK Jack...

Whats to pay off the whole worlds in deep s$$t .....just another few trillion in debt .......maybe they could hit the reset button ?