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08-01-2022, 09:59 AM | #17821 | |||
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The RAT numbers have been reported by the Department of Health for the first time on Saturday and added to the PCR results. Just shows that the true number of cases in the community has always been higher than previously reported with PCR testing alone. Just wait till RAT testing kits are available and in stock everywhere. |
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I suppose the Chemist shops will have to be careful how they stock their shelves!
Make sure they are not near the pregnancy testing kits!..lol Have folk peeing all over them otherwise!..... |
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08-01-2022, 10:13 AM | #17823 | ||
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NSW records 45,098 cases in the current period (a new record high) and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 1.1734 (from 1.2414) while the actual line is still well above the predictive trend line. VIC records 51,356 cases in the current period (a new record high) and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.3424 (from 1.2436) while the actual line remains above the predictive trend. That’s also a new record high for the country. Queensland (10,953), SA (3,707), ACT (1,246), Tasmania (1,491) and NT (279) set new daily highs yesterday (7/1). .. and here is the predictive trend graph for both NSW / Victoria based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st.
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08-01-2022, 10:18 AM | #17824 | ||
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Holy ****, Vic sending it over GSS did not expect that. Yeah 200k is not that distant after all.
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08-01-2022, 10:22 AM | #17825 | |||
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More and more cases appearing just means the evidence that the severity is less with Omicron is increasing by the day, as seen in other countries around the world. Not just a little bit, but reportedly 50-70% less severe than delta. About time the media stopped all the scaremongering and report on the things that actually matter. I'm not making light of Covid, but we have come a long way since it first hit, and the latest mutation (as with pretty much every virus since the world began) is significantly less severe and for most people it will be no worse than a mild flu. Yes, there will be a percentage that suffer more adverse reactions, but this is no different to a lot of illnesses.
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08-01-2022, 10:25 AM | #17826 | |||
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It's one thing to make an assumption based on what is essentially an information sheet, but completely another to rely on the exemption approval of a government authority. That is something you can hang your hat on. And as always, any mention of said Victorian government exemption approval is mysteriously missing from the current round of articles... Wherever one looks, no matter the publisher. You mean like when you disappeared after giving me a serving about the Melbourne protests when I reminded you their origins were from union anti-vaxers protesting vaccine mandates because they weren't allowed to share break huts with vaccinated workers. |
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08-01-2022, 10:44 AM | #17828 | |||
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Interestingly, NSW data shows that unvaccinated people are 6.9x more likely to be hospitalised with Omicron but that's way less than the 25x for the Delta variant - although UK data indicates that the numbers rise dramatically 14 days post booster to about 20x. More specifically, in the period up to 2/1/22: 1,204 people were in hospital, 30% of whom were unvaccinated. 95 people were in ICU, 48.4% of whom were unvaccinated. 19.9% of all ICU beds were taken by COVID patients. The hospitalisation rates per 1M people (aged 12+) are: 83.4 for vaccinated and 578.2 for unvaccinated (6.9x) while the ICU rates are 4.7 and 82.5 respectively (a factor of 17.5x). They don't include mortality data in that analysis.
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08-01-2022, 10:47 AM | #17829 | ||
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While I do agree, the reality is that Victoria is treating those numbers as part of their count and SA, Queensland and NSW will follow suit shortly so we can only work with the numbers we have.
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08-01-2022, 10:54 AM | #17830 | ||
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Just read that today’s Victorian numbers include self reported RAT tests for the week. That number was 26,428, but only 5,923 of those results were actually received yesterday.
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08-01-2022, 12:00 PM | #17831 | ||
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Data valid as at 00:00 GMT January 7th 2022.
77,886 new cases for Australia (a new record) and 19 deaths so the CMR is 0.304%. NZ recorded 58 cases and 0 deaths for a CMR of 0.351%. The UK recorded 178,163 cases and 229 deaths for a CMR of 1.055%. 808,874 new cases in the USA yesterday and 2,629 deaths sees CMR at 1.436%. Other notable points: Global cases pass 303M, the last 3M in 1 day; Global cases set a new daily record with 2,716,051 on 6/1; North America sets a new daily high with 885,717 cases recorded on 6/1; South America sets a new daily high with 217,843 cases (yesterday was also a record); North America passes 71M cases; Europe passes 94M cases; Asia passes 86M cases; The USA passes 60M cases; Spain and Italy pass 7M cases; Asia passes the 90th percentile over the 10 day period; Sao Tome & Principe (265); Guinea (439); Greenland (591); San Marino (608); Andorra (1,119); Iceland (1,208); Mauritania (1,211) – the 5th consecutive day; Jamaica (1,269); Cabo Verde (1,469); Burundi (1,475); Albania (1,745); French Guiana (2,170); Kuwait (2,645); Montenegro (2,960); Qatar (3,192); Mayotte (3,463); Dominican Republic (5,968) – the 5th consecutive day; Lebanon (7,974); Bolivia (11,002); Sweden (23,877) on 5/1; Netherlands (34,872); Australia (77,886) – the 5th consecutive day; and Argentina (110,533) ... all recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day. Georgia moves above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and no countries drop below.
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08-01-2022, 12:57 PM | #17832 | |||
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08-01-2022, 01:10 PM | #17834 | |||
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We've now got a ridiculous situation where, if you are in the country, and you have had covid in the last 6 months, then our own health advisory group recommends you not to get the jab for 6 months, and you are exempt and treated as fully vaxed in the mean time. But if you happen to be an overseas arrival, the health risk is different. It's not about health now is it? Just making rules up on the go.
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08-01-2022, 01:43 PM | #17836 | ||
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Things are going to get ugly soon.
Read a tweet and comments during the week from a health care worker from the US. Omicron is not the mild strain its being presented as and is specifically targetting the heart and circulatory systems with admissions due to heart attack, stroke DVT and Pulmonary Embolism on a steep upward trend. Even patients who've recovered from initial infection are presenting with sudden complications well afterwards. Vaxed/unvaxed seems to make little difference. |
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08-01-2022, 01:59 PM | #17837 | |||
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Dr Baxter, head of the Melbourne School of Population and Global Health at the University of Melbourne recently stated; “And what it (Omicron) made us do is kind of underestimate its ability to disrupt society. It’s important for us to understand that this hasn’t become the common cold.” Dr Baxter expressed concern about more and more vaccinated people contracting this variant of the coronavirus. “Part of the reason why it seems milder isn’t because it’s necessarily mild, but because it’s infecting people who have had vaccines. It’s actually getting around our protection better than some of the other variants. So, in some ways, it’s expanding who it can infect, which isn’t really mild,” she said. |
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The way it's playing out you'd partly have to lay it at the feet Tennis Australia and the Victorian Government, partly at the feet of the airline that flew him in and the rest entirely on Djokovic.
Tennis Australia supplied an information sheet that actually gave true and accurate directions on what is required to enter the country and what needs to be done once inside the country. For some strange reason TA setup a medical panel with the Victorian Government to assess the second part of the entry requirements for players seeking exemptions, which is detailed in the information sheet, weeks prior to his arrival. It would have been this panel that provided exemption. We all know his social media post where he wrote he received "exemption permission". It's likely this "exemption permission" was the approval given him by the Victorian government and he has flown here on that basis. Which is completely contrary to Chairman Dan's stance that NO UNVACCINATED players will be welcome at the AO. Why go to the trouble of being involved in a panel to process exemptions and approving these exemptions given his very public and blunt stance. Read the sheet from the AO properly. It clearly states there are only 2 ways into Australia. Either be fully vaccinated or have a medical exemption certificate. And this is where it gets very murky. Read point 2 under the required proof section. It is pi$$ poorly worded. It starts off with ABF requirements then jumps to Victorian requirements. It's that poorly worded that you could assume the both are one in the same. An exemption from the Victorian Government will get you pass the ABF. In reality they should have provided a link to ABF entry requirements as they did in the point above. But if you go further into the requirements, as directed by Greg Hunt's letter, the smart traveller website and Aus Health website, to obtain quarantine free arrival you will see the medical exemption certificate must: Quote:
It's also interesting to note that the Health website states: Quote:
So in my mind we have TA providing an information sheet that was very accurate, but murky and misleading in places, and the Vic Government setting up an exemption processing panel, that game him an exemption, even though Dan the Man said exemptions would not be allowed and unvaccinated players would not be welcome. And it was likely it was on this exemption he flew here. Then the airline let him travel without adequate or dodgy proof. Yet the ABF have been operating on these same medical exemption certificate entry to Australia requirements since the end of November. Then ultimately it falls on Djokovic. If he has not bothered to check or comply with ABF requirements its on him, as its the travellers responsibility to be in compliance. Maybe he's tried to turn up with dodgy information which they have not accepted. As ridiculous as they may be, they are the rules that have been set out. There are simply one set of requirements to enter the country and another set to suit specific circumstances for those already in the country. The question here is whether the rules have been followed and whether people are playing games with them. It should also be considered that maybe the ABF took issue with Djokovic's character. He is a known anti-vaxxer and these rules are in place specifically to assist people already in the country with a specific set of circumstances. By trying to circumvent the rules in this way they might have seen as poor character. Quote:
But the other question here is, how and why was an unvaccinated player allowed past the Dictators vaccinated only requirement. Well the question is not so much how, because we know his government was involved in providing exemptions. Last edited by arm79; 08-01-2022 at 03:40 PM. |
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As the former Immigration Department deputy secretary said, by law, the process of granting a visa has to take into consideration the health risk that the arrival poses on the Australian public. They either did or they didn't. The court case is Joker vs Minister for Home Affairs. Quote:
But I agree with you on Vic Gov's back tracking on their No Vax policy for the AO. I'm finding it hard to blame Tiley, he represents TA, his role is to promote the game by having the best players here. Giving him powers to provide exemptions (if that is true) is just dumb, so I don't believe it.
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The retail and hospitality sectors have taken their biggest spending hit since Delta lockdowns, ANZ says
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08-01-2022, 05:05 PM | #17842 | |||
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I feel this year something big will happen in terms of our (or global?) economy. No backup workers, restricted supplies of food, more possible restrictions, many places closed or open only part time etc. More uncertainty in the Covid rules and restrictions that are constantly changing. Once 'safer' countries in and out of lockdown and border closures. Chinese / Turkish / crypto economy on the verge of collapse. Kazakhstan up shizer creek, minimal government support in a time where many can't work while food prices and rents going up. Then there is our world record low interest rates that will be going up sooner than expected to top it off. Geeze...
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08-01-2022, 05:31 PM | #17843 | |||
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Restaurants may be empty, but deliveries are busier than ever. If a restaurant hasnt adapted in the last 18mths+, well, that's on them. I dont see the point of throwing money at these sectors. Omicron ain't delta, this will be over in 2-3 weeks. Hospitalisations are already showing signs of peaking. |
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To me, from what I can find, covid vaccination status does not form part of the Visa application. I squirrelled this up on a search from Tennis Australia and it comes from a Tennis Australia website. Have a read and tell me what is missing. https://wheelchair.tennis.com.au/med...eet-player.pdf Not one mention of covid vaccination status. Nothing under the Visa requirements section, nothing in the instructions and nothing in the FAQ section. Under the section "What documents must I attach to my application for a SC408 visa?" it only mentions a passport and invitation letter. If you go through every page of the Home Affairs site in regards to the conditions and application requirements, there is absolutely no mention of covid vaccination status. There is mention of certain health requirements, which I'll mention below. What is mentioned on the Home Affairs Covid travel page is: Quote:
Given you can apply and be granted a Visa months before travel, why would covid vaccination status be part of it when it could change? And why would there be a requirement to show covid vaccination proof before boarding the plane if it formed part of the Visa? It obvious covid vaccination status has no bearing on the granting of this type of visa. Proof of vaccination status or exemption is a requirement at time of boarding and entry at customs. Just because he was granted a Visa, likely weeks ago, did not exclude him from having to comply with extra entry requirements at the time. So it essentially doesn't matter who, how or why he was granted a Visa. Him having one was only part of the entry requirements. They are not intertwined or one and the same. Quote:
The health risk and health requirements refer to a specific list of tests and requirements to meet a minimum health standard. But it only refers to things like TB, HIV and Measles. But no mention of Covid, vaccinations or status. https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/help...tions-you-need It's also possible there were no health tests required under basic Visa requirements because they have been suspended. https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/help...h-examinations https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/help...h-examinations The only way of proving or disproving this is to ask someone who was applied for this type of Visa if there were any covid requirements. But on what the face of the Home Affairs website says, vaccination status is a separate at the time entry requirement and not a requirement of the Visa application process. Supported by the Tennis Australia Visa Information Sheet which makes no mention of covid as part of the application process. So we come back to, it doesn't matter he had a Visa, because that is only one part of the entry requirement and not conditional on vaccination status. But it was acknowledged he did receive an exemption from the Victorian Government. It's probable that he believed this exemption would get him past the ABF. Which also begs the question, why did the Victorian Government setup a panel to process exemptions given Big D's public declaration. If he wasn't given an exemption he probably would not have tried entry. But its also possible he knew all of this and tried his hand anyways. Nothing to lose but everything to gain if it goes favourably. I'm done. I've said what I wanted to say. If you want to have one more stab go for it, but I suggest we leave it there. |
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08-01-2022, 05:59 PM | #17845 | |||
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Djokovic’s lavish request denied as tennis boss’ exemption plea revealed
Novak Djokovic had a request from inside hotel detention rejected as a plea from the boss of Tennis Australia comes under scrutiny. Quote:
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Although, my friend's parents had to upload their overseas vax certificate to the immigration portal in order to get a visa recently.
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I can't believe Sky News in the UK actually let this air. Someone isn't getting invited to the end of year Christmas party:
Once again, type 'vaccine 100% effective' into your search engine an hit enter. Now do... 99% 98% 97% 96% 95% and keep going |
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Can't believe a doctor doesnt get the difference between transmission and symptomatic/serious illness. I wonder what his position would be if he'd yet to have been infected, and didnt know whether he was at risk of a benign response or a severe one.
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Of course, this is all his lawyer's submission, they'll still need to prove it. https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis...08a2d6e4120351 Quote:
https://twitter.com/DjokerNole/statu...271150592?s=20
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I know I said in my last post that I wouldn't post again on this farcical subject matter anymore, but this cannot be ignored. Last one.
It seems that it wasn't even Greg Hunt who set the new rule in regards to a past infection within the last 6 months would not qualifying for an exemption, even though ATAGI says it would. The new rule seems to have been made up by Greg Hunt's assistant secretary?? The letter doesn't state 'on behalf of the Miniter For Health, Greg Hunt'. It's purely been signed off by the "First Assistant Secretary". Giving the impression Minister Greg Hunt had nothing to do with the decision. AO's CEO Craig Tiley had contacted Health Minister Greg Hunt and ATAGI for clarification on the matter 10th November. Tiley then received a reply from Greg Hunt's secretary Lisa Schofield stating the rules. Not from Hunt himself. See copy of letter received by Tiley, dated 18 November below. (Click on pic then click Zoom) I'm guessing here that Tiley was not too impressed that it was Hunt's secretary replying, stating what the rules were, and not Greg Hunt himself. And he probably let it be known in his reply. And it does sound so by the tone of Hunt's reply. Copy of that letter below. (Click on pic then click Zoom) I wouldn't be surprised if some AO applications had already been processed in the meantime, as the cut off date was 10th December. So while all this nonsense was occurring, some tennis players/officials applications could well have already been processed?? Was Novax' application processed before 18th November? Voracova? Oh, and if the name Lisa Schofield rings a bell, remember when Pfizer HQ admins in New York contacted Greg Hunt directly requesting a meeting ASAP in June of 2020, in regards to a Pfizer vaccine supply deal? And Pfizer were met by a "junior bureaucrat", to put it in Dr Bourla's (Pfizer CEO) own words instead? Yep, that was the same Schofield. Not only did Greg Hunt send his secretary to such an important meeting - instead of attending in person, he also directed Schofield to ask Pfizer for a discount! The nerve! https://www.theguardian.com/australi...aucrat-instead The incompetence of this government never seems to amaze. |
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