Should Electric Vehicles be Banned?

[roKWiz]

Makes me laugh when I read about the "Johnny come lately" green warriors.

Wow, who ever thought you could get a battery to power your house when the power went off.

After seeing that Cybertrophytruck I've changed to ban them all.

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by guzzis3

Fridges don't pull that much current. Even a small generator will keep it going. Why buy a battery when you can run an engine ?

The battery backup is automated, and starts up as soon as the power goes off. No involvement from the user.

Still have a generator as a last resort.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Makes me laugh when I read about the "Johnny come lately" green warriors.

Wow, who ever thought you could get a battery to power your house when the power went off.

After seeing that Cybertrophytruck I've changed to ban them all.

Yep, Both Sets of My Grandparents had a Wind generator in the back yard & a Bank of 32volt batteries on the back verandah. Plus all the various 32volt appliances to go with It. They never got Mains Power until the Mid 50's..

Every thing Old is new again..

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Yep, Both Sets of My Grandparents had a Wind generator in the back yard & a Bank of 32volt batteries on the back verandah. Plus all the various 32volt appliances to go with It. They never got Mains Power until the Mid 50's..

Every thing Old is new again..

In the process of installing a small wind generator myself. Had it on my first motorhome back in 95.
Some jokers thought I drove it around with the mast up to produce power, uhh bridges !!

Still wondering how a battery can cost 14K.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

In the process of installing a small wind generator myself. Had it on my first motorhome back in 95.
Some jokers thought I drove it around with the mast up to produce power, uhh bridges !!

Still wondering how a battery can cost 14K.

Realistically to power a house with the usual stuff you'd probably need a few thousand AH worth of battery bank in a 48V bank to keep current down, then double its capacity because to maintain maximum life you don't want to be discharging it past 50% depth of discharge.

I'd say $14K probably wouldn't cover it adequately IMO, take into account not every day is going to give you good generation from solar panels, you probably should be on the bigger side rather than smaller.

[wodahs]

noooooo you cant ban electric cars !!!!!
i enjoy mine , when im bored ill take it for a spin or race it or go driffting

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

You know.

Just remember, we can always go back to alcohol

the government used useful idiots to ban alcohol (feminists)
hence why it isn't used fully..

[snap0964]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Still wondering how a battery can cost 14K.

On the Yacht years ago, we had a solar panel, wind generator, 2 x 12v batts, and the trusty Honda generator, IIRC that come in well under 14k .

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Realistically to power a house with the usual stuff you'd probably need a few thousand AH worth of battery bank in a 48V bank to keep current down, then double its capacity because to maintain maximum life you don't want to be discharging it past 50% depth of discharge.
I'd say $14K probably wouldn't cover it adequately IMO, take into account not every day is going to give you good generation from solar panels, you probably should be on the bigger side rather than smaller.

You'd also need to have the hot water sorted - solar. A single 4.8KwH (50v/90Ah) battery won't cut it with a std 3.6 or 4.8Kw element off peak HWS.

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by guzzis3

Fridges don't pull that much current. Even a small generator will keep it going. Why buy a battery when you can run an engine ?

In the last Brisbane flood that the QLD Labour Party only sure helped to create, I was lucky that I had my Generator that I carry to work at times, it's a 2 stroke 850kw GMC, did my down stairs fridge and bar fridge and fan and TV no worries, but she could not kick the main fridge over.
My electric hot water system lased for the 3 days no problem at all with 3 of us.

Next door had a 750kw GMC but it could not kick over there fridge, I went over and held it flat before plug it in, but no, it just stalled out.

[wodahs]

must be time to back to the ol kero fridges (and i still have one [somewhere] in my pile o crap back of the shed unless the ol man's moved it again)
at least i have some ingals if i need to resort to that and im more than happy with my solar power and solar hot water systems
havent needed to fire up the gen-y in years now , but talking bout it must go check it still runs and give it a service clean up b/day treatment for just incase

[1970XW351]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Yep, Both Sets of My Grandparents had a Wind generator in the back yard & a Bank of 32volt batteries on the back verandah. Plus all the various 32volt appliances to go with It. They never got Mains Power until the Mid 50's..

Every thing Old is new again..

My old man is still running 32 volt power with a diesel genny and a few banks of batteries to this day... He was looking into a wind genny in the early 80's when I was a pup... But gave it up and just added more batteries. You only have to run the generator every few days to charge the batteries, so i guess he is ahead of his time... Environmentally speaking.

[guzzis3]

Originally Posted by mick taylor

In the last Brisbane flood that the QLD Labour Party only sure helped to create, I was lucky that I had my Generator that I carry to work at times, it's a 2 stroke 850kw GMC, did my down stairs fridge and bar fridge and fan and TV no worries, but she could not kick the main fridge over.
My electric hot water system lased for the 3 days no problem at all with 3 of us.

Next door had a 750kw GMC but it could not kick over there fridge, I went over and held it flat before plug it in, but no, it just stalled out.

That's interesting because that's exactly what we used in 2011 a couple of those little $99 generators.

My point about batteries is a generator is much cheaper. Older fridges cut in and out so the big draw is during the capacitor start, but a 10 amp generator should start one every time no worries.

[roKWiz]

Like A.Con most frigs have a hard start. Even though a small genset can run it, kicking it into life is another thing.
The low amps drain previously mentioned is quite high at start up / cycling and extremely inefficient for a permanent RAP system.
Also depends on if the genset produces square wave power or sine wave power not just its peak power output.

My place is offgrid hence the wind generator previously mentioned. My workshop / backup genset is a bio diesel powered 8Kva
8Kva would only be its peak ability to start stuff, continuous would be more like 5.

it would be fun charging an electric vehicle at my place..

N.B Which will bring us back on topic.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Wretched

We're going to see more and more electric cars with new Euro emissions coming through.

"From 2021, phased in from 2020, the EU fleet-wide average emission target for new cars will be 95 g CO2/km.

This emission level corresponds to a fuel consumption of around 4.1 l/100 km of petrol or 3.6 l/100 km of diesel."

The fines of non compliance are huge - €95 for each g/km over the 95g multiplied by the number of cars sold that are not compliant.
For example - Mercedes Benz are currently at 138 g CO2/km average for their entire passenger car fleet with sales in Europe around 900k.

Therefore their fine would be (43 x 95) x 900 000 - totalling €3,676,500,000‬.

And that is why a selection of EV's in a brand line up are important. The EV's reduce the average accross the range, meaning the ICE cars get a free kick.

And enthusiasts think EV's are bad.

[CoupeKing]

No, but imagine an electric version of this.......

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are they still making those things? the last one i saw was a prius that looked ugly.

[guzzis3]

I heard someone say once that cars saved the horse. Took them from often abused utility animals to enthusiast pets.

When we did NZ in 09 we got "upgraded" to a pious (not a spelling error). One of the worst cars I've ever driven. The brakes were absolutely dangerous, no rear visibility, ergonomic disaster. The funny thing is the corolla we had on the second half of the holiday gave better fuel economy. It by comparison was an utterly fantastic car, certainly the nicest toyota I've driven.

[lra]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

No, but imagine an electric version of this.......

Yep. Watch it with no sound. Meh, boring...ehhh ?