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02-09-2020, 11:02 AM | #151 | |||
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02-09-2020, 11:31 AM | #152 | |||
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Also just to add despite my black hat kind of posts, I'm all for Countries being Ambitious.....but its got to be a win win right, especially todays world. I have marvelled what they have achieved last 20yrs don't get me wrong but their principles are off centre and there is alot of chips on the shoulders towards the West/and their neigbours and visa versa, pecking order and chest puffing seems to be more important than decent relations. India could have been in this position long before with all their manufacturing abilities and I have had first hand experience there incl USA based joint venture companies BUT again, its the "trust" factor. They did what Chinese companies have done during their growth stages agreeing to supply but delivered rubbish. The mud stuck with them (meaning their Export footprint could be double it is today), China has the mud as well BUT with the relative low wage costs (it is increasing) and good shipping location companies are in a hard place re sourcing elsewhere and the amount of work involved. So China is also gaining due to current pandemic, logistics and countries with their backs to the wall. It really is not a great global situation but just as the GFC/the past WWars where there is down turn/loss opportunity arise's and China is in pole position.
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02-09-2020, 11:37 AM | #153 | |||
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Edit. Sorry it wasn't ASIO, it was AUSTRAC. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-...estate/6841816 Last edited by T3rminator; 02-09-2020 at 11:43 AM. |
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02-09-2020, 11:53 AM | #154 | ||
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My understanding we were talking about mainland China/ throw in HK as well......
Far out I'm not going to cover about real estate here but 30% more here ? far out over the years been more than that but yer not going there, I watched that wave commence from the beginning. We all know the situation here and I'm all for our Gov turning things around more for US, they are 15yrs late.
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02-09-2020, 12:39 PM | #155 | ||
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One more question, then I'll be quiet and let others have a go. (sorry this topic really fascinates me) "Sell our soul" is used quite often. I'm curious what people mean when they say it.
So hypothetically speaking, if a Chinese company came tomorrow, and said lets build a project, but the condition is that 10% of the workforce should include 457 visa workers. This deal would result in 5000 full time Australian jobs over the next 10 years, and the payback would be 20 years. If you took the deal, would that be selling our soul? How about selling our resources? Or how about something a bit more trivial, would something like playing AFL games in Shanghai be considered "selling our soul"? Kochie has copped his fair flak. Interested to hear people's thoughts on threshold and why. Ok, I better get back to work. Funnily I have had this banter with my manager, who is lives in the UK, and he cannot believe what is going on here. He reckons the torries are being deliberately quiet, because brexit is coming up and they are going to need to build better relationships with China. Hmmmmmm |
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02-09-2020, 01:19 PM | #156 | |||
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The West has, through inaction and lack of unity has 'allowed' them to do what they do. As FTE217 stated, we are 15 years late preparing for what we see now. They have some good projects in the north of W.A namely providing water and greening up some of the red dirt for various crops and then farming. Something our Govt has been doing with the ord river scheme but new investment is a boost. https://www.sydney.edu.au/content/da...April-2019.pdf https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-...uncil/11461450 Last edited by Mr_G6ET; 02-09-2020 at 01:27 PM. |
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02-09-2020, 01:37 PM | #157 | ||
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03-09-2020, 09:39 AM | #158 | ||
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I wonder when that map was done re accuracy, surely there is more Loans/partnerships.
My take excl countries like Russia/India the rest in that map to me shows "vulnerable" countries with crap economies/politics, easy fodder like Nth Africa. 5 loans associated with oil. $258B to Russian oil in exchange for 15M tonnes annually over 20yrs. Wonder how that will balance with the amount of EV's in their market over the next 10yrs.
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03-09-2020, 09:49 AM | #159 | |||
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Your 1st hypothetical, why would there be the need of 10% 457 visa workers ? Resource's ? The minerals industry is among the top five producers of the world's key mineral commodities. Additionally, Australia is the world's largest exporter of black coal, iron ore, alumina, lead and zinc and the second largest exporter of uranium - then add in Gas. Promoting a sport elsewhere is not selling any soul, that stooopid game needs to expand for its going to shrink through the future decades for most migrants won't grasp arial ping pong. Your right others need to get involved here.
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03-09-2020, 10:24 AM | #160 | |||
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Better link: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/glo...-megaprojects/ Interesting visual web site, this is a search on 'chinese investment': https://www.visualcapitalist.com/?s=chinese+investment |
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03-09-2020, 12:00 PM | #161 | ||
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Originally Posted by FTE217
If China achieves that goal and the United States fails to address it, the report said, it “will have serious implications for US national interests and the security of the international rules-based order”. This is a part of the story below, I guess the bold text above all but sums up the points raised earlier https://www.news.com.au/technology/i...63866bbb561da6 |
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07-09-2020, 04:50 PM | #162 | ||
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Interesting..
China imports more than $300 billion worth of integrated circuits each year and its semiconductor developers rely on U.S.-made chip design tools and patents, as well as critical manufacturing technologies from U.S. allies. $300bln ! https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/c...023424077.html |
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19-11-2020, 06:34 AM | #164 | ||
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People need to stop being so alarmist.
Any market is only as dangerous as you let them be, China's scale is beyond most people who complains comprehension and therefore its seen as a threat because they dont understand and they are salty that the management of their company has not done anything to future proof their job (or they haven't taken steps themselves). I believe we will see some countries/companies start to push back a little, and start negotiating better terms than chasing the fast cash.
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20-11-2020, 10:11 PM | #165 | ||
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So China is angry at Australia again. I find it amusing that they have described us as gum on their shoes and a US lapdog but are coming so hard against us.
It is rather strange that Xi Pindick and the rest of the CCP and Trumpy are not better friends. Both are thin skinned, bullies and whingers of the highest order |
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21-11-2020, 05:29 AM | #166 | ||
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I only have a few words on this China thing, they are acting like a school yard bully, not picking on the big kid in the playground (America-Europe) but picking on the little bloke (Australia), the one the know they can hurt easily.
**** China - buy Australian, buy American, buy anything but not Chinese - we can hurt China more than our Government can, just stop buying their cheap ****, bring them to their knees financially. If the whole world did this China would have no money to be a threat to anyone
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21-11-2020, 06:52 AM | #167 | |||
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22-11-2020, 03:36 PM | #168 | |||
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The message isn't getting through to consumers on both sides.
Chinese economy recovering thanks to billions in Australian stimulus packages https://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...dd84c1e6bdc3a4 Australian businesses prosper in world's biggest shopping festival despite trade tensions with China https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-...sions/12868362 Quote:
Unless this saga gets unFUBARED, the effects will be felt for generations to come. The chinese consumer market will (or already IS?) be a dream for capitalism. The Biden administration will probably reset the engagement protocol with China. Whilst they will unlikely be friends, they will not be enemies either. The UK recruited Tony Abbott as trade advisor for a reason, because he has shown he can get stuff done with China. Read his 2019 blog published on the Lowy Institute, its one of the best pieces on this topic from a government official. The powerful will always use some form of bullying to get what they want, because they can. It has happened throughout history and it will happen going forward. Get used to it. But it would be helpful if we can at least have an open dialogue to try get some benefits our way. Poyal is spot on. Its hard to get your head around the enormity of what is happening. For the sinophobics, the future looks scary. With the federal government signing into RCEP, what does this mean for the future? RCEP was originally designed by China to counter the TPP. You've got to wonder why RCEP was a "secret deal" in the making. What was there to hide? Who were we afraid of ****ing off? Or what is in the fine print that they didn't want scrutiny over? Hopefully once Trump is gone we can get them to pick up our phones again. Confuscious says, play Trump games win Trump prizes. |
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22-11-2020, 04:25 PM | #169 | |||
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Lets trade with other countries instead and not grovel to this tyrant.
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22-11-2020, 04:45 PM | #170 | |||
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India and Indonesia are probably a decade or two away from getting a majority of their population into the middle to upper income bracket. Its just reality. Talking doesn't necessarily mean grovelling. The EU and parts of asia has shown you can have a sensible dialogue. |
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22-11-2020, 09:43 PM | #171 | |||
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23-11-2020, 07:22 AM | #172 | ||
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Gosh I am getting sick of hearing "academics" commenting on the Japan deal sprouting it as an indiciation we are getting ready for war.
Its almost like people are spruking the possibility to create their own reality in some quest to be the bestest boffin out there...STFU. It is a shame we are so reliant on mining exports at the moment, surely we could have bumped the tariffs up a bit on iron to balance the books until people calm down a bit and we need to seriously be more proactive in diversifying.
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23-11-2020, 08:43 AM | #173 | ||
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I can tell you the real reason Japan bombed Pearl Harbour and it has to do with Australia, The League of Nations (pre-UN), Billy Hughes (Aust PM), David Lloyd (UK PM) and Woodrow Wilson (US Pres), but I will let you Google it
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23-11-2020, 11:52 AM | #174 | ||
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60 Minutes had a real good interview with HR McMaster, former US National Security Advisor last night. Straight up he was saying China are nothing but a cancer, and will bully and intimidate smaller countries to get what they want. They will provide funding for infrastructure in those countries, then they basically own them, and use that power to control that countries foreign policy. They are complete tyrants.
Funny how recently people have been attacking the UK over their colonialist past, but that's exactly what China is doing now. Yet hardly anyone wants to say anything about it. |
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23-11-2020, 12:39 PM | #175 | ||
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Heres a perfect example.
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23-11-2020, 01:30 PM | #176 | |||
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I found this quote hilarious. Wang said China has only benevolent intentions in Tonga and no hidden agenda. “Some people in the West are being over-sensitive and too suspicious,” he said. “No need.” The irony of a chinese official calling someone else over-sensitive is off the charts. And no doubt the chinese bugged the embassy they built for them too. |
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23-11-2020, 03:27 PM | #177 | |||
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I don't need to - facts are facts
A critical part of Australian history
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23-11-2020, 08:40 PM | #180 | |||
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China is like any other power, they will flex and push to get what they want. They are going to find out how the rest of the world works but its going to take some pain until people push back. Seems similar to the Russia story, except China currently means more to the world than Russia did...didnt work out so well for them. America is not shining beacon for how countries should behave.
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