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11-04-2011, 05:37 PM | #151 | |||
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Market insight: Mazda marches on and up
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Obviously early days, just Q1/2011, but with Mazda3 and Corolla nipping at the Commodore's heels and potentially outselling Commodore this year. What are peoples thoughts on whether having the number 1 taken from Commodore is a good thing for Falcon?
I think it's a double edge sword, but with more upside than downside. Upside: Having the Commodore as advertised as being the number 1 seller is a hard thing for Falcon to counteract. People are sheep and are keen to buy number 1. Equating best seller for best car. Not true obviously. So, perhaps they could now more evenly judge the merits of each car. With Falcon being the better car, that could be a good thing. Downside: Does this show the large cars as (even) less relevant to the masses? So, why should be even look there when a Mazda3 or a Mondeo will do what we want?
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Problem is Philly, the sheeple don't know that the Falcon is the 'better' car because it doesn't get any coverage.
The Commodore's sales volumes (unless they are artificially inflated) demonstrate there is still a strong market for large RWD cars, but that market is much smaller now. Personally I think that people buy these cars for a specific reason, i.e. they want a RWD car.
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12-04-2011, 10:23 AM | #155 | ||
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Its not often, other than people who really enjoy driving, you hear someone specifically say they want RWD.
I think falcon/commies ride on the belief/tradition that they are more practical all rounders and can handle harsher conditions. Im talking towing boats, caravans, going over rough roads for long distances, cheaper to maintain etc...
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12-04-2011, 10:35 AM | #157 | ||
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I think most people would think that the commodore coming in at No. 1 each year, is just a blip on the "government purchasing policy" radar. To get a fairer picture of Australian Car sales, its probably best to look at our 7th state (New Zealand). March sales, the commodore didnt even come in the top 5, and on a per capita basis they sell about 1/4 of the commodores there than they do in Australias other 6 states (and 2 territories).
Pos Model Mar % 1 Toyota Hilux 514 6.2% 2 Toyota Corolla 355 4.3% 3 Suzuki Swift 307 3.7% 4 Nissan Navara 270 3.3% 5 Toyota Yaris 243 2.9% |
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12-04-2011, 10:59 AM | #158 | |||
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12-04-2011, 11:00 AM | #159 | ||
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I think that what most people do not realise it how much the buyers demographic has changed over the last 20 years …
In the past majority of the new car market was mostly purchased by what I call the Australian born population. These are people who were born in this country and mostly live by the Australian way of life. I.e. they prefer larger cars, frequently travel long distances, have decent size families, have boats/caravans to tow, and lastly support or at least do not mind the local manufactured cars. Now days majority of the new car market is made up of people who recently migrated to Australia, primarily such people come from Asia and they have a very different view about cars/brands/life requirements and so forth. To them Toyota is a no brainer, it is not because Toyota makes smaller or fuel efficient cars, but simply the fact that these people have always admired the Toyota brand since their childhood and hence that is the only brand they really want when it comes to normal affordable cars. This is why Toyota has been selling steadily more and more cars in Australia, they are merely capitalising on the current buyers market preferences, rather than actually supplying a “better” product. You also have more people migrating now from Europe and the UK, especially after the GFC that has hit them really really hard. In my line of work I started meeting these people all the time now, basically they all say the same thing, getting a job in the UK has become extremely difficult, they migrate to Australia cause they easily get a well paid job and can afford a nice and relaxing lifestyle. Again people from EU would mostly prefer the cars they are used to … and again they are not Falcons or Commodores. Personally I see the sales of Falcons and Commodores slowly decline as time passes by … and they only way I see them survive over the long term is by moving into more of a niche market and starting to target people who want more than just a car for transportation. |
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I am more inclined to say that it is more to do with the introduction of the SUV and other such vehicles that has swayed buyers. These vehicles along with 4WD becoming more of a "luxury" vehicle have made the large sedan a more of a "niche" vehicle. SUVs like the Territory & the Kluger can easily perform the same functions as a sedan and more (more carry space, seat more people, etc). Then there is the cost of fuel plus the fact small cars are not so small anymore. Most will easily be able to carry a family of four and their shopping quite easily. Let's not forget the medium range with the likes of the Accord, Camry, 6 and the Mondeo.
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12-04-2011, 11:53 AM | #161 | |||
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Yeah de-regulation of the motor vehicle market through tariff reduction and ADR's being brought into parity with overseas standards has had a telling effect. The Button Plan was just the start.
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12-04-2011, 11:55 AM | #162 | ||
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Toyota sell heaps of cars due to the ageing population imo. Old people want bland cars and that's Toyota's specialty.
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12-04-2011, 05:17 PM | #165 | ||
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Toyota built up a name for reliabilty through the 80s and 90s but lately it has turned out they are just like everyone else and corrupt as any manufacturer going around.
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12-04-2011, 06:25 PM | #168 | ||
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many read 'decline' as 'no market' too, which isn't really true. there is still a market for a large car. its just smaller than 10 years ago.
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They had recognised nameplates in Landcruiser & Hilux. They then diversified within those segments too as time marched on. As Landcruiser chased markets further up the tree, they kept the utilitarian Landcruiser as they introduced the 80 series with the 4.5L straight six motor in the mid 90s. 'Landcruiser Prado' was introduced to basically fill the cheaper hardcore void. Rav4 was probably the first real softroader. It was innovation by Toyota. Something they don't normally do. As that market was created and began to explode, they introduced essentially a larger version based off Camry platform. The Highlander/Kluger. So, now they Hilux 4x2 and 4x4 in all the variants with a much bigger delineation between them for the ute market. But they have Landcruiser (old and new), Prado, Kluger and RAV4. Add in Corolla and Camry and Toyota have well known competitors in ALL major market segments. To use an American term. They are full-line automakers. Most Toyota products offer terrible / sub par driving experiences and do not offer great value as well as not being as reliable as they once were. But, the above are reasons why they are as big as they are here in Australia. I don't know how many people recall this. But when GMHolden was last the market leader here in Australia when the VT was selling gangbusters, their CEO was talking of building market share from 19-20% to 25% or more. The point is they were relying almost solely on Commodore/Statesman to deliver that share. GMHolden were largely a one trick pony. Much like Ford was with Falcon until Territory came along. Thankfully for Ford, who is the only 'local' to have actually increased sales this year (Q1/2011), it is because the imported models are now gaining traction.
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12-04-2011, 08:47 PM | #171 | |||
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Aurion and Camry sales could be combined, really the only difference between the two is the engine, one a six and one a four. Much like the Falcon, one a six, one an eight. Soooo how many Fords are "rental hacks" as well? Fair few Focus were i'd imagine. Nothing wrong with low interest deals. Aren't XR6s selling around 35k now? That's a big incentive...
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Aren't the Toyota low finance on the full RRP of the vehicle?
Pretty sure 9 odd % finance on a 35k Falcon is better then 3.5% on a 44k Falcon.
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It would be better from a resale point of view to not lower the XR6 driveaway pricing any further. A 35k driveaway price and full finance cost (my rate of 7.1%) or 36k at 3.9%. The latter is much more appealing to more people. Yet it preserves more resale for those who have already bought. Heck, Mercedes are currently doing a 'no interest' finance deal on the C Class. 'Half now, half later. No regrets' Yes, they have a much higher margin.
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Ah I thought it was under the impression it was full RRP for low finanace.
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I think the resale value of the FG has totally plummeted considering the discounts Ford is offering on these cars. Which makes me wonder if I will buy another Falcon again after I lose a very large chunk of money from the first year of ownership :( |
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