SCT FlashTuner Fallout? All the info is here. - Page 6

whitexr · 31-01-2009, 03:22 PM

I'm happy with my tune and I'll be keeping the car for a long time. I flash my tune back to standard for servicing at FORD and then back to the custom tune.
So my question is:
As I understand it the restrictions on the Flash tuner box only come into play when/if?:
I want to edit the tune? for example, add a supercharger?
Sell the car and keep the Flash tuner for tuning the next car?
Have I got this right?

geckoGT · 31-01-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by whitexr

I'm happy with my tune and I'll be keeping the car for a long time. I flash my tune back to standard for servicing at FORD and then back to the custom tune.
So my question is:
As I understand it the restrictions on the Flash tuner box only come into play when/if?:
I want to edit the tune? for example, add a supercharger?
Sell the car and keep the Flash tuner for tuning the next car?
Have I got this right?

Completely right, as long as you do not need to change the tunes loaded, it will function as normal.

Justin@ · 31-01-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

I have received an email Charlie from SCT he will be making a post.
I relayed to him the major concern is the consumer has to pay for there dealers that have been doing the wrong thing.

Both charle from sct and rob from herrord have been on to veiw this thread but no posts to expain themselves. Gee i wonder why?

Lion Slayer · 31-01-2009, 03:30 PM

I sent an email to SCT and they just replied saying " We are not limiting X2 ". That's all they said, so does this mean that only the X1 users will be affected, or does it mean only the X1 users are getting a 90 day limit and X2 users are not?

vcmswt · 31-01-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

Heard it all before its coming its coming for 3 or 4 years now, I knew shops that were asked to test this product in beta 3 years ago...

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Fair comment Spoolman; HP Tuners VCM Suite tuning software has been in various forms of production for the past two years, but you know, creating a worthy product takes time and there's nothing worth than releasing something that doesn't meet customer expectations.

However there is no need to wait, the product - irrespective of it being in Beta trim at the moment - is available from some 30-40 tune shops right now with more coming on board every day. And it works - extremely well!

Why is it that more shops (and home tuners) are coming on board? Because VCM Suite has been at the top of the GM game now for almost 5 years with literally hundreds of tuning shops swearing by it.

So rather than thinking you've heard it all before, either drop VCM Suite a line to ask who is using in your locality, or simply ask your existing tune shop.

vcmswt · 31-01-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTR

I do and I will be voting with my wallet, I should have the engine done within the 90 days so that's not really worrying me, as for VCM whether it's ready or not I might even go to motech mainly because of all the add ons that they support.

When you look at it I can't see them doing the X3 for very much under $1500 so I'd rather put that into a system that actually has a "proven" back up system in place.

So my advice is this:

If you feel strongly enough then vote with your wallet, that's what keeps them going

XRQTR, your thinking has some merit as you are concerned about the potential of being burnt twice.

I would ask that you research the VCM Suite product before making any decision; ask around from those using the product (either Ford or GM vehicles) whether the product is a) worthy and b) what the backup is like. I suspect you will quickly change your mind.

Fireblade · 31-01-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by vcmswt

XRQTR, your thinking has some merit as you are concerned about the potential of being burnt twice.

I would ask that you research the VCM Suite product before making any decision; ask around from those using the product (either Ford or GM vehicles) whether the product is a) worthy and b) what the backup is like. I suspect you will quickly change your mind.

My mate uses VCM Suite to tune his GM vehicles, I know from this that the support for it is extremely good, I have learnt a little about this software through him and have been exploring the use of this before this had happened. In my mind I am now 99% sure I will use this, is your support just as great for the Falcons that use this software and can my mate tune my F6 just as easily as he can GM Vehicles. My mate is a home tuner and I have never been able to fault his work on the GM vehicles.

Cheers,
Simon.

Romulus · 31-01-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by vcmswt

Fair comment Spoolman; HP Tuners VCM Suite tuning software has been in various forms of production for the past two years, but you know, creating a worthy product takes time and there's nothing worth than releasing something that doesn't meet customer expectations.

However there is no need to wait, the product - irrespective of it being in Beta trim at the moment - is available from some 30-40 tune shops right now with more coming on board every day. And it works - extremely well!

Why is it that more shops (and home tuners) are coming on board? Because VCM Suite has been at the top of the GM game now for almost 5 years with literally hundreds of tuning shops swearing by it.

So rather than thinking you've heard it all before, either drop VCM Suite a line to ask who is using in your locality, or simply ask your existing tune shop.

I know someone in Perth who has HPT for the Falcon's, it's limited by it lack of access to the software parameters compared to Sniper for example. To be frank it is very lacking.

However, having used HPT for the LS1 powered vehicles I agree it certainly is a good product. If you are able to access the pcm parameters for the Falcon as well as you have for the GM vehicles you will be on a winner. There are some definate advantages with HPT/LS1 Edit/EFI Live over the 'flash box' tuning offered for the Ford vehicles, pricing being one.

mrbaxr6t · 31-01-2009, 03:56 PM

so herrod and sct remain silent, do you guys have any idea how hard it is no not flame you guys something chronic herrod, sct the time is now to speak up your rep is copping a tarring. Its a fair bet that alot of herrods' business might walk as well.

SPEAK TO US NOW!

WOLF · 31-01-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

I may just go with the x cal 3 and take the $100 trade-in, do some data logging whilst racing will be handy...

Nothing personal, but anyone who paticipates in this practice is basically bending over.
Whoever thought of this quick money spinner would love to see everyone do exactly that. Employee of the month anyone???
I would be absolutely amazed if something wasn't sorted out in the next few days and all this will blow over.

bonspeed · 31-01-2009, 04:01 PM

what a pack of jerks, +1 for not buying any more of sct's products. In fact if they don't reverse this decision. (Punishing customers rather than the dealer who ripped them)Im going to burn mine.

Feathers · 31-01-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by whitexr

I'm happy with my tune and I'll be keeping the car for a long time. I flash my tune back to standard for servicing at FORD and then back to the custom tune.
So my question is:
As I understand it the restrictions on the Flash tuner box only come into play when/if?:
I want to edit the tune? for example, add a supercharger?
Sell the car and keep the Flash tuner for tuning the next car?
Have I got this right?

I'm in the same position. I have no intention of getting rid of my car, but I want the freedom to be able to get it retuned in the future, using the box I have.

My flash tuner BELONGS to ME, to use as I please. I paid for it.

How dare SCT render it useless because they have their panties in a twist over something that is nothing to do with me.

vcmswt · 31-01-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by F6 FOON

My mate uses VCM Suite to tune his GM vehicles, I know from this that the support for it is extremely good, I have learnt a little about this software through him and have been exploring the use of this before this had happened. In my mind I am now 99% sure I will use this, is your support just as great for the Falcons that use this software and can my mate tune my F6 just as easily as he can GM Vehicles. My mate is a home tuner and I have never been able to fault his work on the GM vehicles.

Cheers,
Simon.

Response to this and TVS Super Pursuit's posts.

Firstly we expect to offer the same service to Ford customers and GM customers. And given that our F6 is making close to 400 at the treads with only an hour's tuning, I reckon we can meet your expectations.

Next.

To an extent we agree with your sentiments TVS, however the situation as it currently stands is that we are offering updates literally on a weekly basis. In other words, should your freind be using a VCM Suite version of even a couple of weeks ago you will find that several 'holes' have been filled.

Cheers.

Greg Brindley.

Romulus · 31-01-2009, 04:14 PM

Thanks Greg,

I'll be sure to give him a call, get a couple of credits and give it a try on my ute.

You support the LV Focus XR5 by any chance?

partie · 31-01-2009, 04:32 PM

I am on the market at getting one of these Flash box's but since discovering this post, I am considering very seriously to steer clear of it ... intersted to see what SCT has to say.

mrbaxr6t · 31-01-2009, 04:34 PM

man this thread is seeing more traffic than flinders street, I think there is alot of people interested in the outcome of this.

philstoj · 31-01-2009, 04:39 PM

Hi greg, are you guys going to support AU falcons with HP tuners?

snappy · 31-01-2009, 04:46 PM

Is there another product that has a box to switch between tunes.

Justin@ · 31-01-2009, 04:50 PM

i would think that this has hurt herrord and sct MORE than it was ment to hurt everyone else. Maybe the grab for everyones cash wasnt such a bright idea???????

Funny that charlie spent a fair amount of time lurking in this thread and yet didnt post!!! I noticed that rob did the same thing.......

Fireblade · 31-01-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by snappy84

Is there another product that has a box to switch between tunes.

Check out Sniper, their box can hold 6 tunes at once and for multiple vehicles at the same time

mrbaxr6t · 31-01-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by XR8.001

Funny that charlie spent a fair amount of time lurking in this thread and yet didnt post!!! I noticed that rob did the same thing.......

Have to agree with this, I noticed him being here and didn't PM him or anything just let him be and waited for a post from him to see what he had to say in regards to this, and nothing??

WiggyMK2 · 31-01-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by F6 FOON

Check out Sniper, their box can hold 6 tunes at once and for multiple vehicles at the same time

i will go ya halvies simon :P i just bought a second hand flash tuner.... i am pretty screwed

snappy · 31-01-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by F6 FOON

Check out Sniper, their box can hold 6 tunes at once and for multiple vehicles at the same time

Fantastic .
Don't want my cash supporting crims .
Maybe every xcal3 that sct sell they can donate some cash to the victims of crime fund.

Tradewind · 31-01-2009, 05:06 PM

It is the AU Falcon owners who are nearly screwed completely, I am not totally sure they are supported by SNIPER (suspect they could be) which leaves them pretty skint for options.

You can't flash an AU with XCAL3 .......... not compatible!

Justin@ · 31-01-2009, 05:10 PM

well charlie is back again but i doubt he is going to post. Damn this thread is getting a lot of views, that cant be good for business for either of these guys.

Romulus · 31-01-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by snappy84

Is there another product that has a box to switch between tunes.

Sniper Tuning

Link here

Fireblade · 31-01-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tradewind

It is the AU Falcon owners who are nearly screwed completely, I am not totally sure they are supported by SNIPER (suspect they could be) which leaves them pretty skint for options.

You can't flash an AU with XCAL3 .......... not compatible!

Sniper supports AU's in their entirity.

Wiggy, Im thinking of getting the DIY tuning kit for $1195, looks the goods but have to do more research

SpoolMan · 31-01-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by XR8Rob

Nothing personal, but anyone who paticipates in this practice is basically bending over.

Nothing personal but are you paying my bills..
I need a flash tuner that holds more than one tune, yeah so my pants my be around my ankles...

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Originally Posted by F6 FOON

Check out Sniper, their box can hold 6 tunes at once and for multiple vehicles at the same time

what is the price to have one that will hold 4 tunes?

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Originally Posted by vcmswt

I would ask that you research the VCM Suite product before making any decision; ask around from those using the product (either Ford or GM vehicles) whether the product is a) worthy and b) what the backup is like. I suspect you will quickly change your mind.

If VCM has no flash box it useless to me.

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Originally Posted by XR8.001

well charlie is back again but i doubt he is going to post. Damn this thread is getting a lot of views, that cant be good for business for either of these guys.

Thank-you for the 3 updates, you didn't sign in as Charlie did you..

geckoGT · 31-01-2009, 05:25 PM

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well charlie is back again but i doubt he is going to post. Damn this thread is getting a lot of views, that cant be good for business for either of these guys.

He spent a lot of time on here before so he has no excuse for no reply. It would even be a step in the right direction for him to at least acknowledge our concerns and let us know it has not fallen on deaf ears.

Charlie, keep quiet on this one mate and you will surely go from market domination to "market has been" in the space of a day. There are a lot of people here that are seriously unhappy.

SpoolMan · 31-01-2009, 05:31 PM

Next person who updates the thread about Charlie can go for 24 hours just wasting space..