USA Riots

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Why the feck would Melbourne allow a “BLM” protest (expecting 40,000) to go ahead tomorrow?
After all the lockdowns, the restrictions, the social distancing... And they’re going to let this crap go ahead??..
These bloody “professional protesters” that are behind every conceivable “worthy” cause on the planet all fairdinkum need kneeling on the neck themselves!
Thoughts go out to the poor cops that’ll have to police this thing!
Wanta really make a name for yourself Dan Andrews?
Fire hose the feckin lot of them!!!

#GeorgeFloydChallenge

Was car 1AM on a Thursday and get social distancing fine, attend 40,000 strong protest and get free pass

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Possibly the silliest comment so far.

Just what do you think would happen if Vicpol went out there in full riot gear looking to crack heads?

I'm not sure if you've seen Melbourne protests in the last 5 years but the Public Order Response Team are out in huge numbers dressed up and with officers on horses

They look pretty menacing, keep in mind this is a protest organised by an Aboriginal mob about human rights issues in the USA so out of the 40,000 expected attendees 75% of them will be white, Doc Martens wearing blue haired lesbians from Brunswick, 20% will be their male equivalents and the last 5% will be alt right neckbeards trying to antagonise the Lesbians in a counter protest.

If they can have their protest then I want Crown Casino open again.

I don't mind them exercising their right to protest, as long as they keep it clean, if they start smashing up Melbourne then I support them being tear gassed, your average Melbourne performative activists that turn up to these things they generally wouldn't harm a fly so they just tend to jam up the CBD and be pests

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Then perhaps you should explain yourself a little more clearly.

Saying "They should have got on the front foot and said anyone attending will be fined for not social distancing, and arrested if they do not follow police orders to leave the area"
Would be like a red flag to a bull, with the professional protesters (who are itching for news time) seeing just how far they can push the envelope.

So to avoid giving attention seeking paid protestors what they want in police attention and escalation we are going to give them a free pass?

That’s a slippery slope, avoiding poor optics and a limp wrist approach is what’s allowed the riots and looting in the US cities get out of control.

I’m all for allowing expression via a protest (assuming your not paid to do so) but when you’ve had the whole country on house arrest for a couple of months due to health concerns tanking the economy the economy in the process and Mr Andrews being literally the toughest premier in restrictions placed upon the general public it doesn’t seem like a balanced approach.

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

So to avoid giving attention seeking paid protestors what they want in police attention and escalation we are going to give them a free pass?

I want to know more about being a paid protestor. What's the pay like. is it hourly rate? Where do I apply?

[Tickford.]

Not all the destruction, violence, looting, etc, etc, etc, are caused by the George Floyd protestors. There's a lot of it being caused by outsiders. Who are these 'outsiders'?

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order...celerationism/
White supremacists are using the ongoing protests to accelerate civil disorder in an attempt to tear apart the current political system

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota...re-to-our-city
Video and witness accounts from south Minneapolis on Friday night show a fair number of those setting the fires are white, with the likes of Vox reporting that "white supremacists" are mobilizing in response to the unrest, while at the same time it's raising the specter of "Antifa" from the other end of the political spectrum, including President Trump.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carliep.../#5d255a07236e
Minneapolis officials suggest that an increasing number of people rioting—perhaps as many as 80%—are coming from outside the city in what Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz said was “an organized attempt to destabilize civil society.” Walz has suggested that white supremacists and drug cartels were possibly involved in the chaos.

https://www.dw.com/en/twitter-suspen...sts/a-53656003
Twitter has suspended a fake "antifa" profile on its platform, which the tech giant says was linked to the white nationalist group Identity Evropa, for making posts inciting violence during ongoing protests in the United States, according to US reports.


The main stream media..., all you see are the fires, looting, etc. by the 'black' rioters. But the majority of this is caused by 'outsiders'. Not all of it is by the #BLM, or should I say, 'black' protestors. They cannot get away with it as much these days as most everyone has a phone with a video camera. There is plenty of video evidence on social media platforms that have started to filter down to the news channels. Some are showing them, most are not.

The MSM is doing exactly what these 'outsiders' want. Showing the destruction and looting (which they had caused), which is dividing opinion and causing hate amongst the general population. They win.

As for the US police force using extreme force, I totally agree that they don't discriminate. Black, white, yellow, purple... no one is immune from these so called public servants who are employed by the public to supposedly 'serve and protect' them.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

I want to know more about being a paid protestor. What's the pay like. is it hourly rate? Where do I apply?

It'd be an interesting change, I'm up for it

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

It'd be an interesting change, I'm up for it

We want to make sure the pay is good; I refuse to work for peanuts. I've been hearing stories about how George Soros was fundingprotestors for years. Never managed to get onto the payroll. Turned out the anti protest people were just talking out their @**e as usual.

[nstg8a]

If it’s ok for everyone to gather to vote (at the height of the pandemic too) then it’s damned well fine to get together for a good old lynch mob, I mean, protest when the pandemic is really over and done with for now.


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[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

It was only a matter of time. Republican leaders in Texas caught sharing a conspiracy theory that the Floyd killing was a staged event designed to undermine black support for Trump.
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06...OP-conspiracy/

I'm happy to admit there are nutters on both sides of politics, but I reckon the right has a clear lead here. The deep state Qanon, Agenda 21. anti-vax stuff lives on the right.

Anyone remember Jade Helm? That was a military exercise carried out during the Obama presidency. The right went nuts. Reports showed that between 30-50% of republican voters believed that the exercise was an Obama plot to invade Texas and lock everyone up in old Walmart stores. The Texas governor sent national guard troops out to ensure that Texas was safe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jade_H...iracy_theories

The left just can't compete with that.

This post wont age well

[Franco Cozzo]

Sydney Black Lives Matter: Supreme Court rules to stop Saturday protest

The Supreme Court has banned a Sydney rally of thousands of protestors slated for tomorrow in a last minute decision to prevent virus spread after the government tried to intervene.

https://amp.dailytelegraph.com.au/co...mpression=true

No protest for Sydney, at least not legally.

[Tickford.]

There were a couple of protests recently in the US states of North Carolina and Michigan. Both were on May 1st, about the COVID-19 restrictions.

Protest in Michigan


Protest in NC


Notice that they are 'white'. Some armed with loaded semi and fully automatic weapons. Armed white protestors stormed a government building in Michigan, while the chamber was in session, and were greeted by the Michigan state police force. Armed with nothing but temperature checkers and face masks!!

Now imagine these protestors were 'blacks'. Or 'latinos'. Or 'muslims'. What do you think the outcome would have been? I pretty sure there would have been a different outcome.

[jaydee]

When you see the Mercedes Dealership being trashed and cars set alight inside the shop, Dodge Hellcats driven off the lot, then they aren't protesting, just thieves looting taking advantage of the moment.

[Yellow_Festiva]

I really don't get their mentality.

These clips of police barging into single elderly people and smashing them into the cement while the world is watching is an absolute joke?

Have they no clue of what their actions can incite?

It's absolute anarchy... clips of shop owners being beaten and attacked for trying to defend their stores??

Are these people sane?

[MITCHAY]

What I find amazing is some people still thinking it is all the 'other side'. Both fringes have their fingers in this trying to satisfy their own agendas.

[falcon_bandit]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

A crackhead, with a violent criminal history gets busted for using counterfeit bills, resists arrest & dies. It's funny how people who wanna live a clean life, a good life don't find themselves in positions like this.

Did black America go ballistic like this when justine diamond was shot by a black cop? Media gave her 1/10th coverage of George floyd. Deliberately choosing a certain color skin to support is reverse racism imo.

Reverse racism is just as poisonous as racism, its the same thing. Happens all the time, example, a ridiculous protest movement in our our own country blaming the evil white man somehow causing the deaths (and apparently covering it up) of colored youths with lengthy criminal histories who wrote themselves off in a stolen car...... It's bloody stupid, but nobody dare say anything

[MITCHAY]

Whatever his past crimes, the bloke was handcuffed on the ground. There was no justification for what happened after that.

If the cops had enough probable cause to do him in for the counterfeit bills, then as far as I'm concerned there is enough probable cause for these cops to be arrested and charged. Though I'd be surprised if the charges stick for the other officers.

The cop was given 12 1/2 years for killing of Justine Damond. Justice was served. That was a third degree murder and second degree manslaughter charges.

[falcon_bandit]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Whatever his past crimes, the bloke was handcuffed on the ground. There was no justification for what happened after that.

Never said anything was justified. I'm talking about a crackhead with a violent criminal history, who was resisting arrest for a crime.

Do the right thing, ya won't find yourself in these unjustified positions. Simple really. But yet people just don't get it

[Falcon SXR8]

Originally Posted by falcon_bandit

Never said anything was justified. I'm talking about a crackhead with a violent criminal history, who was resisting arrest for a crime.

Do the right thing, ya won't find yourself in these unjustified positions. Simple really. But yet people just don't get it

Its all somebody else's fault these days, and no matter what you do there will always be a group who will justify it and give you a pat on the back, for example the looters

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by falcon_bandit

Never said anything was justified. I'm talking about a crackhead with a violent criminal history, who was resisting arrest for a crime.

Do the right thing, ya won't find yourself in these unjustified positions. Simple really. But yet people just don't get it

Yes generally this is true. The argument is they are often harassed for doing nothing wrong and even still the force is often disproportional to the crime and same for the sentencing.

Watch the The Kalief Browder Story on Netflix if you can. This bloke was arrested for allegedly stealing a backpack. What happened after that was ****ed up.

And by any critic, a violation of his constitutional rights. Specifically the 6th amendment.

[falcon_bandit]

With the justine damond shooting I never cared for the color of the officer. The outrage was because of the incident. People of color choose to roll with racism first and foremost everytime, which I guess has numbed people like me because it's got to the point where it's hard to tell which crimes are legitimately backing there movement

[falcon_bandit]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Yes generally this is true. The argument is they are often harassed for doing nothing wrong.

I havnt researched any stats, but "IF" there happened to be concrete statistics showing a certain race/color/haircut/dress code whatever, that was prodominetly featured in violent crimes or just prone to committing crimes in general....., would it be considered racist or harassment if officers had access to this info in training, and because of the increased risk, used a different approach on a case by case basis, considering their lives are on the line?

[russellw]

No doubt the protest planned for Melbourne today will turn into some kind of controversy. Apart from the fact that is is being organised by professional protesters (mostly sponsored by Taxpayers), the attitude of the spokesperson on the TV the other day shows just how clueless they are about the risks associated with gathering 40k people in one place.

I quote: "we'll be encouraging people to maintain social distancing" - yeah right. The current guidelines call for 4m² per person so if they get 40k people they will need about 160 km² and the entire CBD is only 6.2 km².

[LG17]

Originally Posted by russellw

No doubt the protest planned for Melbourne today will turn into some kind of controversy. Apart from the fact that is is being organised by professional protesters (mostly sponsored by Taxpayers), the attitude of the spokesperson on the TV the other day shows just how clueless they are about the risks associated with gathering 40k people in one place.

I quote: "we'll be encouraging people to maintain social distancing" - yeah right. The current guidelines call for 4m² per person so if they get 40k people they will need about 160 km² and the entire CBD is only 6.2 km².

If you think about it (they won't) they'd cause more disruption if they did maintain social distancing. I'm not sure they have the brain power to figure that out.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by russellw

No doubt the protest planned for Melbourne today will turn into some kind of controversy. Apart from the fact that is is being organised by professional protesters (mostly sponsored by Taxpayers), the attitude of the spokesperson on the TV the other day shows just how clueless they are about the risks associated with gathering 40k people in one place.

I quote: "we'll be encouraging people to maintain social distancing" - yeah right. The current guidelines call for 4m² per person so if they get 40k people they will need about 160 km² and the entire CBD is only 6.2 km².

I understand the jumping on the swell of support from the US because Indigenous causes doesn't usually rate here.

Indigenous Australians are very vulnerable to Covid-19, let alone the rest. I'm all for protests but it may be a health disaster in the making. I hope I'm wrong

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

I don't condone Police brutality at all.

But imo these protests are ridiculous.

90% I suspect just enjoy protesting and causing trouble when given an opportunity rather than any genuine reason to do so.

The population has a large group that are unemployed, broke, angry, scared and bored after being restricted for months.

Its a tinderbox that was waiting for that spark.. and when they finally got it the wildfire erupted with uncontrollable anger.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by falcon_bandit

I'm talking about a crackhead with a violent criminal history, who was resisting arrest for a crime.

Here's a security camera footage showing the events leading up to Floyd's murder.



As per footage, Floyd is arrested and handcuffed after being pulled out of his car. He is then walked to the other petrol car.


Now watch the video below by NYT, detailing the events a bit further. **You need to be signed in to YT as the footage is deemed too graphic.**



[JIC the link above doesn't work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vksEJR9EPQ8&bpctr]

The report says that Floyd stated to the cops that he was claustrophobic. He was then put in the back seat, where there is a bit of a push/shove in the back seat. There is no clear evidence of what accrued here to support either side. From what we can see on the available footage, it looks like there was a minor scuffle when the officer was pushing Floyds legs into the car. This is what you're referring to as "resisting arrest". The circumstances that leads you to believe he was being "unjustified"? The circumstances that lead to him being unjustifiably murdered??
The rest of the footage is more confronting, and has been widely shown.

Originally Posted by falcon_bandit

Do the right thing, ya won't find yourself in these unjustified positions. Simple really.

This doesn't apply to the police? Simple really.
Without a shadow of a doubt, the police officers (specially the one with his knee on Floyds neck), were too aggressive here. Well and truly had crossed the line.

Originally Posted by falcon_bandit

I havnt researched any stats

Need I say more??

[Bossxr8]

Apparently floyd had a higher dose of fentanyl in his blood than most od cases. And meth. Plus he had covid 19.

The lawyers for the cop will be having a field day with that. Expect more riots if they are acquitted.

[falcon_bandit]

"From 1976 to 2005, 94 percent of black victims were killed by other African Americans"

Is it possible to protest against yourself?

[CoupeKing]

[falcon_bandit]

"Homocide figures 1980~2008: The offending rate for African Americans was almost eight times higher than Whites, and the victim rate six times higher."

There ya go Tickford, got some stats for you. All I said was there might be a reason for police to be nervous around certain groups "IF" stats gave them a reason to be