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[pHaT`eL]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

Nice. So it's guilty by association.

That seems to be how its done here?

[Gunns]

Originally Posted by Polyal

OK so obviously we are going in circles here. Hopefully details can be sorted ASAP. I guess AFF could have said nothing, and waited until they did have more details but then people would kick up a fuss anyway.

Perhaps suggestions from yourself and other disgruntled members would help? Or is it a case of too far gone and you want to leave?

Leave the political mumbo jumbo and perhaps getting to the point is best as this thread will never end.

Ployal, You no longer have an eseries so have zero interest in the club and what happens to it, so I am going to put this as nicely as possible: Go brown nosing in some other part of the forum, where you can give all the Rusty Trombone's you want.

[alleyezonme]

Originally Posted by Polyal

OK so obviously we are going in circles here. Hopefully details can be sorted ASAP. I guess AFF could have said nothing, and waited until they did have more details but then people would kick up a fuss anyway.

Perhaps suggestions from yourself and other disgruntled members would help? Or is it a case of too far gone and you want to leave?

Leave the political mumbo jumbo and perhaps getting to the point is best as this thread will never end.

I DONT GET IT WHY YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE AN ANSWER FOR EVERYTHING AND TRY AND CORRECT PEOPLES POST.
YES THIS IS ALL GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES BECAUSE MAYBE PEOPLE DONT THINK PEOPLE ARE BEEN TRUTHFUL ABOUT REASONS AND PEOPLE JUST WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HAS ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
THIS IS ALL A CROCK OF AND ITS REAL PATHETIC THAT ITS COME TO ALL THIS

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by EFFalcon

My suggestions were to put the board 100% in contorl of the Eseries members, not part E-series part AFF, even if i'm not on the board.

or not register it at all.

But it will eventually be that way, from what I can see AFF have set it up, then the e series members (and more than 10 or so will help) vote for the board. But as long as the "club" is here then there should be atleast one or two "AFF" e series people involved aswell.

I dont mean to use you as an example John, but its just to show something. No doubt about it you have been instrumental (from what I have observed) in setting up and continueing the e series club.

So what happens when you no longer have an e series? Same goes for the other members who were banned and apparently are such an important part of the club? Surely you will not own e series forever, so when you guys move on what happens then?

I assume registering the club almost means that its future is a little safer as the new people coming to the club will join, get involved, and then who knows, they might become part of the board as well. You have to be careful that the board does not become a "mates" only scenario. Just a thought.

Originally Posted by Gunns

Ployal, You no longer have an eseries so have zero interest in the club and what happens to it, so I am going to put this as nicely as possible: Go brown nosing in some other part of the forum, where you can give all the Rusty Trombone's you want.

I shouldn't need to defend myself, but so be it. As Ive said over and over its only been two weeks that I have not had an e series. Other than that Ive had an e series for nearly 6 years! So its not a case of just walking away. There are people in the club that I get along with very well, and others that obviously have a personal issue with me. And you know what, I dont care, because its obvious from the replies to my posts that its personal nd not objective because the replies themselves are usually one liners and not highly intelligent. Post #156 is a perfect example.

So yeah, fine, Im done. But perhaps think about the club, and its future and not your personal opinions.

[Bucknaked]

Originally Posted by EFFalcon

I've got no problems with 99% of the people on this site, but an AFF Moderators is going to be bias towards the club staying on AFF more then someone not in that position.
It was more aimed at the Eseries mods then anyone else.

Ok, I understand now what your saying. Thanks.

[Leah]

Originally Posted by Gunns

Ployal, You no longer have an eseries so have zero interest in the club and what happens to it, so I am going to put this as nicely as possible: Go brown nosing in some other part of the forum, where you can give all the Rusty Trombone's you want.

ahahahahah... GOLD!!!!

[Eb Barbie]

Originally Posted by alleyezonme

I DONT GET IT WHY YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE AN ANSWER FOR EVERYTHING AND TRY AND CORRECT PEOPLES POST.
YES THIS IS ALL GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES BECAUSE MAYBE PEOPLE DONT THINK PEOPLE ARE BEEN TRUTHFUL ABOUT REASONS AND PEOPLE JUST WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HAS ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
THIS IS ALL A CROCK OF AND ITS REAL PATHETIC THAT ITS COME TO ALL THIS

I totally agree!! You have been told once, now twice and I'm sure many more times. I am for one going to try and say this as nice as possible....Shut you pie hole! Please

[LTDHO]

Eseries moderator here, I haven’t posted yet but I have been watching and reading since this thread began.

I would like to clear up a few points and state what I see from my perspective.

As a moderator I was advised that this had been done. I didn’t know it was going to be done nor was in the process of. I learned of this after the fact as did all of you.

From the start I have supported the eseries forum and the unofficial club. In all and every instance, I have helped as much as I can in everyway. The last thing anyone wanted was to see the death of the club.

After reading through this thread from the time it started, I have read ever post (some more than once) so I can get a feel of what the eseries members want and what is available to get.
This is still continuing.

The registration of the club was something that was being reviewed by the (then) eseries moderating team. We wanted to know what the benefits, responsibilities, requirements were. If/When this was to be done, we wanted it to be done right.

I would still like all Eseries members to post their constructive feedback. I find this to be very important.

[JC]

I would like to suggest that if AFF is effectively now hosting the e-series club, that any previously banned members should have PM/email facility re-instated so that they can be kept up to date with what is happening with the club, if AFF is to be the club's official line of communication. This should also be applied to any banned member who is a member of a "hosted" club. Sure, take their posting rights away, but keep PM/email for club communication purposes. Just a thought.

[alleyezonme]

So What If You Dont Have An E Series Anymore, You Dont And Your Still Here And Im Sure Alot Of Others Can Be Too.
Im Sure There Is No Law About If You Dont Have An E Series You Can No Longer Be Involved Thats Just Stupid.
If People Move On They Move On And Im Sure If They Were On The Board Or An Admin They Would Advise People That They Were Thinking Of Moving On And Someone Else Who Deserves To Do So Can Step Up.
Simple

[EFFalcon]

Originally Posted by Polyal

But it will eventually be that way, from what I can see AFF have set it up, then the e series members (and more than 10 or so will help) vote for the board. But as long as the "club" is here then there should be atleast one or two "AFF" e series people involved aswell.

Will it?
Why wait? Why not just do it now.
Progress forward, organise people to go into those positions, why does it need to be 50/50 to start with?
If its all about the club, aim for that to start with.


if any of the admin were actually eseries members with eseries cars that went to eseries events, it'd be a different story.
But thats not the case.



and i'll always have an eseries, whats the point in selling it if its only worth $5k.

[alleyezonme]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

Eseries moderator here, I haven’t posted yet but I have been watching and reading since this thread began.

I would like to clear up a few points and state what I see from my perspective.

As a moderator I was advised that this had been done. I didn’t know it was going to be done nor was in the process of. I learned of this after the fact as did all of you.

From the start I have supported the eseries forum and the unofficial club. In all and every instance, I have helped as much as I can in everyway. The last thing anyone wanted was to see the death of the club.

After reading through this thread from the time it started, I have read ever post (some more than once) so I can get a feel of what the eseries members want and what is available to get.
This is still continuing.

The registration of the club was something that was being reviewed by the (then) eseries moderating team. We wanted to know what the benefits, responsibilities, requirements were. If/When this was to be done, we wanted it to be done right.

I would still like all Eseries members to post their constructive feedback. I find this to be very important.

well can i ask a question?????
why when john discussed the future of the club with you all, mods/admin one week it was all go then one week john misses a meeting due to bn sick and then the ides is shut to the ground??????

[EA2BA]

Originally Posted by alleyezonme

So What If You Dont Have An E Series Anymore, You Dont And Your Still Here And Im Sure Alot Of Others Can Be Too.
Im Sure There Is No Law About If You Dont Have An E Series You Can No Longer Be Involved Thats Just Stupid.
If People Move On They Move On And Im Sure If They Were On The Board Or An Admin They Would Advise People That They Were Thinking Of Moving On And Someone Else Who Deserves To Do So Can Step Up.
Simple

It would be according to the constitution of the club as to who qualifies as member or not a member, if the constitution stated you had to own an e-series then it would technically be a law, but only a club law.

[LTDHO]

Originally Posted by alleyezonme

well can i ask a question?????
why when john discussed the future of the club with you all, mods/admin one week it was all go then one week john misses a meeting due to bn sick and then the ides is shut to the ground??????

Sure.

As long as he is online, John is added to every online meeting. This is to keep him in the loop and to review in his own time.
There was a time where a decision had to be made, personaly I was undecided so I went either way, the decision was later overturned.
Sometimes people will reconsider and whilst nothing is in concrete, it can be changed.
John knows my position on this.

[EFFalcon]

is any of this stipulated in the submitted rules/constitution? or were the model rules used?
was any of the submitted documentation at all cateared for the needs of the club?
whos keeping all the records of members details & payments

[alleyezonme]

i was bn sarcastic in saying about that
"Im Sure There Is No Law About If You Dont Have An E Series You Can No Longer Be Involved Thats Just Stupid.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by EFFalcon

Will it?
Why wait? Why not just do it now.
Progress forward, organise people to go into those positions, why does it need to be 50/50 to start with?
If its all about the club, aim for that to start with.

if any of the admin were actually eseries members with eseries cars that went to eseries events, it'd be a different story.
But thats not the case.

and i'll always have an eseries, whats the point in selling it if its only worth $5k.

I think this thread and some of the commentary from those who are supposedly in leadership roles shows why it needs to be a joint approach in the initial phase. This will also provide time and opportunity to sort the details of who is responsible for what. That is about ensuring the club gets off to a solid footing not an ad hoc one.

As you well know we do have a multiple e-series owner on the admin team so I would appreciate it if you would stop posting misleading information - but given your statement above am I now to assume that you will take a more conciliatory view?

That was a rhetorical question and requires no reply.

Russ

[bomber]

I dont see a need for this club to become incorperated they do not have sponsors or a huge cashflow basically now the club is liable for what happens at their events. Also as John has stated who is controlling the documents for this who is deciding what is best for the club its not a member of E-series so why are they sticking their nose in. I think its pretty much fraud considering that some one that is not a member of the club has submitted this information.

[genebaby]

Originally Posted by bomber

I dont see a need for this club to become incorperated they do not have sponsors or a huge cashflow basically now the club is liable for what happens at their events. Also as John has stated who is controlling the documents for this who is deciding what is best for the club its not a member of E-series so why are they sticking their nose in. I think its pretty much fraud considering that some one that is not a member of the club has submitted this information.

You are liable at what happens to an event you host/put together regardless of being incorporated or not. Official club or not, it's all the same when it comes to public liability. Everyone must remember how crazy it got a few years ago with the insurance going through the roof, lots of public events closing down because of it.

Check your car insurance policy too. Most state that if you partake in an anything like a cruise your policy is void. Scary what's in the fine print.

[DJL351]

Originally Posted by bomber

I dont see a need for this club to become incorperated they do not have sponsors or a huge cashflow basically now the club is liable for what happens at their events.

It always saw "liable". Incorp or not.

The government are trying to crack down on all "dot com" car clubs... the time will come where, for a club (of any kind) to form, it will need to be Incorperated.

[Rmyers]

The point alot of us are trying to make is that whether or not this club registration will be "beneficial" to e-series, the fact is that AFF should not have ANY input into the direction the club takes, let alone registering it for themselves. Even if the club was on a downward spiral, it is upto the board to decide what it will do. Yes it was very generous of AFF to offer funding for registration, and as John stated earlier, we would have accepted IF WE WANTED IT. As it stood we saw no need to legally register it, tho AFF have taken it upon themselves to do so when they should have had no say in the issue.

You can argue this and that about how you want to improve the club yadda yadda yadda, but the bottom line is the board members should have been informed of this proposal first. If they refused in the past and/or were indecisive, you should have just dropped the idea.

[alleyezonme]

Originally Posted by Rmyers

The point alot of us are trying to make is that whether or not this club registration will be "beneficial" to e-series, the fact is that AFF should not have ANY input into the direction the club takes, let alone registering it for themselves. Even if the club was on a downward spiral, it is upto the board to decide what it will do. Yes it was very generous of AFF to offer funding for registration, and as John stated earlier, we would have accepted IF WE WANTED IT. As it stood we saw no need to legally register it, tho AFF have taken it upon themselves to do so when they should have had no say in the issue.

You can argue this and that about how you want to improve the club yadda yadda yadda, but the bottom line is the board members should have been informed of this proposal first. If they refused in the past and/or were indecisive, you should have just dropped the idea.

i absolutely agree with you. i think you put it out there well

[EFFalcon]

Originally Posted by russellw

As you well know we do have a multiple e-series owner on the admin team so I would appreciate it if you would stop posting misleading information - but given your statement above am I now to assume that you will take a more conciliatory view?

E-Series Owner does not equal Active E-Series Owners Club Member.

[bomber]

Originally Posted by Rmyers

The point alot of us are trying to make is that whether or not this club registration will be "beneficial" to e-series, the fact is that AFF should not have ANY input into the direction the club takes, let alone registering it for themselves. Even if the club was on a downward spiral, it is upto the board to decide what it will do. Yes it was very generous of AFF to offer funding for registration, and as John stated earlier, we would have accepted IF WE WANTED IT. As it stood we saw no need to legally register it, tho AFF have taken it upon themselves to do so when they should have had no say in the issue.

You can argue this and that about how you want to improve the club yadda yadda yadda, but the bottom line is the board members should have been informed of this proposal first. If they refused in the past and/or were indecisive, you should have just dropped the idea.

Exactly what i was getting at earlier.

[EL Monty]

Originally Posted by EFFalcon

E-Series Owner does not equal Active E-Series Owners Club Member.

Then why don't you just take back what's yours ( collective term )? In business in Australia, a business name that has been trading by party/s for a period of time, will generally be the rightful owners of business name, regardless if it registered or not. If someone registers this business name and then tries to claim it for themselves and stop the original user from trading under that name, they ( the Johnny come lately's ) will lose their rights and registration of that name, regardless if the business name ownership had expired. As i see it, e-series.com has been used for quite some time, and has had a board that runs it, so believe precedent is there if another party is trying to claim the name, to just take back what is yours (members).

[Rmyers]

It's a sad time for e-series, I used to believe that i'd stick by the club through hell and high water, but the recent issues that have come up have really made me think twice about my future on these forums. I was ALWAYS opposed to the merger with AFF, mainly because i never saw the need. Tho I tolerated it, as long as we were still our own "club" and we had the final say on decisions being made within it. I even tolerated the recent bannings of long time members, tho i did not necessarily agree with them. But this has really gone too far! AFF have forgotten that this is not a sub-section of your forums, yet you treat it like your own. I may seem to be a little melodramatic here, but as long as the E-series club name is owned by AFF, I will not be posting and will be removing the e-series stickers that adourne my car....

[DBourne]

dude.. wait ... what... whats going on? 8 pages in 1 day, jebus!

[Dezza]

Originally Posted by Rmyers

It's a sad time for e-series, I used to believe that i'd stick by the club through hell and high water, but the recent issues that have come up have really made me think twice about my future on these forums. I was ALWAYS opposed to the merger with AFF, mainly because i never saw the need. Tho I tolerated it, as long as we were still our own "club" and we had the final say on decisions being made within it. I even tolerated the recent bannings of long time members, tho i did not necessarily agree with them. But this has really gone too far! AFF have forgotten that this is not a sub-section of your forums, yet you treat it like your own. I may seem to be a little melodramatic here, but as long as the E-series club name is owned by AFF, I will not be posting and will be removing the e-series stickers that adourne my car....

I'm sorry to hear that Steve. In a way I have to agree that it could have been handled in a much better fashion. One of the criticisms before was that AFF had too much influence over e-series matters. To register the name without consulting the e-series board further adds to this problem. I will be staying a member of these forums (particularily since I got myself banned from those other forums) and will continue to display my e-series stickers, but I would like the e-series board members to have the ultimate say on what happens in the club. E-series first, AFF second.

[SBR_1]

Originally Posted by SgtBourne

dude.. wait ... what... whats going on? 8 pages in 1 day, jebus!

I know how you feel.Iv tried to keep up with what has been going on but i still can seem to make any sence of it.
I cant get my head around what is going or how this started in the 1st place.Can someone put it simply as to how this started please. : :

[Rmyers]

Originally Posted by SBR_1

I know how you feel.Iv tried to keep up with what has been going on but i still can seem to make any sence of it.
I cant get my head around what is going or how this started in the 1st place.Can someone put it simply as to how this started please. : :

E-series was not a registered club prior to all this, AFF went behind the E-series board members backs and registered the club for themselves, which now means AFF have total control of the E-series club and it's future. That's the basics of it...