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19-06-2011, 10:58 PM | #151 | ||||
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I already have a car that I can go offroad with, and tow a trailer. So when it comes to selecting a 'fun' car, its a blank canvas. I'm not constrained by having to choose from one segment. If you cant comprehend how someone who appreciates a V8 sedan might also appreciate a turbo 4 hatch, that's your loss. |
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19-06-2011, 11:07 PM | #152 | |||
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19-06-2011, 11:09 PM | #153 | |||
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19-06-2011, 11:32 PM | #154 | |||
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19-06-2011, 11:38 PM | #155 | |||
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The issue with you is you keep trying to shove this down our throats. Why don't you get on ls1.com and whinge your tits off about the SSV not having as many flywheel kWs as a GS does at the wheels? Or that the GTS, which is $20k more than a GS, isn't any quicker than a GS? The reason is the value in the performance for the money, or the amount of standard gizmos is in the eye of the buyer, so don't come on here TELLING people what is value and what isn't.
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19-06-2011, 11:54 PM | #156 | ||
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i love my G6 15 months on , thats an achievement in itself , i get bored of cars very easily, not interested in having to change gears or be uncomfortable on long trips in hard riding "little gizmo poofy hatchbacks" or " big fat neanderthal V8's "
just happy to sit in my leather seat with the cruise and the radio on and eat the miles up in comfort. yes i know my profile pic is an AU Fairlane it's the only other car i have ever loved for more than a month or 2................. Oh and i'm on this forum because I own and am interested in FORDS |
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20-06-2011, 12:00 AM | #157 | |||
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By the way you shouldn't call the chev motors "big fat neanderthal V8s", they just feel that way next to the 5.0 Boss.
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20-06-2011, 12:09 AM | #158 | |||
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Better idea might be to make cars that meet the quality and feature expectations of their customers, so they return and buy again. |
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20-06-2011, 12:20 AM | #159 | |||
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20-06-2011, 12:22 AM | #160 | |||
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20-06-2011, 12:26 AM | #161 | |||
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I drove Falcons for 14 years. Stupidly, I thought that meant I was 'allowed' to talk about Falcons. If the fact that I dont drive one now means I'm not welcome, say the word and I'll disappear. |
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20-06-2011, 01:14 AM | #162 | |||||
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My post had less to do with whatever justification you have for buying your car and more to do with this crusade of yours that is to convince everyone that what you think has to be right. Read your own response to flappist's post below to refresh your memory. You said... "Like it or not, the GS is TOO PRICEY. Accept it, move on." A) That's called shoving. B) Especially if you keep doing it over and again. C) And you look really absurd when you keep doing it when it's a matter SUBJECTIVITY in the first place, as has been pointed out to you and your ilk in the past. If you posted like this on any non-brand-specific auto forum it wouldn't change how wrong you are and you'd be told just the same, so don't expect any less here. Nothing wrong playing the devil's advocate, but looking at your history the common trend I see is that your only purpose here is to criticise Ford, at any expense. Quote:
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Why even start a a tread asking why the falcon isn't selling and then attack anyone who gives reasons why?
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20-06-2011, 01:44 AM | #164 | |||
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20-06-2011, 02:36 AM | #165 | |||
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20-06-2011, 06:26 AM | #166 | |||
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The unfortunate thing is that, with one bad experience, comes a plethora of criticism...as I've seen on numerous occasions across this forum. And it seems that every single person on the planet can see the dribble that fills the pub. Google searches bring Ford Forums up first page most times...all you really have to do is look at how many 'views' some of these threads get. So, with that in mind, why is Falcon 'really' struggling...? Perhaps take a good long hard look at some of the 'crap' that fills these threads, repeatedly, and you'll have your answer. Ford is not struggling because their cars are terrible, Ford struggles because people have poor perception, and unrealistic expectations, and for a forum that holds the Ford nameplate...we should be part of the SOLUTION...not part of the PROBLEM. Perhaps think about it, and instead of posting your latest 'dig' at Ford in the pub, post it in the workshop if you have a specific issue...that is after all, why it is there. And no doubt, someone will say that their opinion is as valid as any other persons, which it is - but FFS think about what you're putting up here BEFORE you press submit...this is a Ford dedicated forum...if we're bagging out the cars...and we supposedly like them...good job!
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20-06-2011, 08:03 AM | #167 | ||
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Is it really just the Falcon not selling?
I don't think the Commodore numbers look all that crash hot to be honest. They have the wagon, LPG, V8, etc but their sales numbers don't look all that good in relation to range on offer, especially compared to Falcon. The biggest issue is the range of vehicles in the 30 - 60k price range of which is the biggest market. SUV style vehicles dominate and I can see why. For people who don't need a large SUV also don't see the need for a sedan and decide on a medium/smaller vehicle. Some decide to spend a little more and go for a higher specced Jap or Euro car. Most don't care what wheels are driven and as long it is comfortable, has all the creature comforts they need, is reliable and drives well then it doesn't matter which brand it comes from. Ford need to realise it isn't Falcon vs Commodore, it is Falcon vs the world.
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20-06-2011, 08:54 AM | #168 | |||
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this is the whole point of many of the actual fans on here. quite a few people, who most probably haven't owned a new ford/falcon for quite some time, take any opportunity that arises to stick the boots in to falcon. what i find rather ironic is the amount of people that arced up over a youtube clip that said nothing more than what most of them publish on here. hypocritical much? |
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20-06-2011, 09:28 AM | #169 | |||
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With people like you with the maturity of a 5 year old being a moderator here no wonder ford falcon is failing to sell. |
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20-06-2011, 09:36 AM | #170 | |||
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20-06-2011, 10:33 AM | #171 | ||
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But he was after a performance car. For someone who is after a performance car and aren't set on one brand it wasn't good value. That is a valid reason as to why the falcon isn't selling. As to why the lower models aren't, well who knows. I personally think the falcon is just coming to the end of its life and no matter what they do to it it won't help.
The only way it could survive is a major styling overhaul. Change the whole style so it doesn't have any styling themes from older falcons. Doing that will **** off the falcon enthusiasts but the enthusiasts aren't buying enough to keep the current falcon going. I cant see it happening with one ford. Even though my personal preference is holden's i want the falcon to survive because i don't think the commodore will be worth buying without a competitor to give them a kick in the ***. |
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20-06-2011, 10:56 AM | #172 | ||
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if he just wanted a performance car, he could've looked at xr6t or g6et, both much cheaper and available with options. if falcon still didn't fit the bill, ford also offer a xr5t in focus and mondeo.
it was just another attempt by someone to have a unnecessary dig at ford. to whinge about the price and value of the v8, and then not even buy a v8.... |
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target marketing, have the econetic ads on facebook, google, twitter.(19~29yrs)
mondeo ads on during the "the circle" "the view"(30~50yrs) xr6 on during v8sc, f1, rally.(sports orientated) g6e ads on sunrise, today show.
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20-06-2011, 11:06 AM | #174 | |||
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20-06-2011, 11:13 AM | #175 | |||
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So they are 1- Not as quick. 2- Not as many gadgets. But these so called hot hatches are almost as good yeah, i fail to see the logic.
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20-06-2011, 11:27 AM | #176 | |||
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They were his and yeah they dont sit well with some people (you included) i never seen any forcing of opinion on anyone. Just because someone went against the grain and didnt buy a Falcon you go on the attack. A lot of 'other' small cars (Fords included) can do 95% of the things a falcon can do. And they do a lot of things better. Im a Ford fan through and through but looked at other makes, but lucky for me Ford had something in my 'category' and price range otherwise i probably wouldnt have bought another Ford. As loyal as iam i would not have bought a Ford that i wouldnt have been happy with just to help their sales. And before you go on the 'Im anti Falcon bandwagon' too, ive owned 5 Falcons over the last 9 years
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Please dont tell me what I did and didnt consider when shopping for a car... I know far better than you. The fact I did not go with a Ford doesnt mean it was never considered, it means that after consideration, it didnt win out. |
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20-06-2011, 11:47 AM | #180 | ||
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b0son - i'm not arguing with you or presuming to tell you which cars to look at. you didn't mention originally that you had considered other falcon/ford products. you couldn't find one that made you happy so you bought something that did. good for you.
the problem is then condemning ford for not having a product that suited you. guess what, if i wanted a v8 rwd performance car, renault don't have a product for me! its very easy to stick boots in. ford have a range of products that cover a range of markets. they can't cover everything. |
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