Major Ford announcement.... - Page 6

ieatsports_cars · 24-07-2009, 04:58 PM

i wonder if it is the i6 motor with 2 cylinders less, i still cant understand why they would want to do this i love the i6 motor and atm it can use less fuel than a 4 cyl on highway driving ! i still cant get my head around the idea, the 4 cyl crapadore was a flop in the 1980's, will the falcon become a flop too ?, or maybe ford is leading in holden old trademarks ?

vztrt · 24-07-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by XRFutura

just found this article on carpoint about the ecoboost 4.

ecoboost not yet tested in falcon

lol, just cause the media haven't seen one doesn't mean they haven't been running around.

Road_Warrior · 24-07-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ieatsports_cars

i wonder if it is the i6 motor with 2 cylinders less, i still cant understand why they would want to do this i love the i6 motor and atm it can use less fuel than a 4 cyl on highway driving ! i still cant get my head around the idea, the 4 cyl crapadore was a flop in the 1980's, will the falcon become a flop too ?, or maybe ford is leading in holden old trademarks ?

It seems to be a US made crate motor.

At first I thought it was going to be all alloy, but reading up on this Eco-Boost jiggery pokery, it seems like the engine blocks are going to be CGI. Will this make them as light as alloy, or almost? If so, this will reduce the kerb weight of the Falcon quite a bit - don't know how much the trusty 'ol I6 weighs, but it would be a fair amount, iron block and all. My BA is what, 1640kg? The FG weighs a little bit less from memory, but a lighter smaller engine should save 50-70kg of weight.

And those Carpoint articles appear to be little more than speculation - I'd treat them as exactly that until we get some more credible information.

ieatsports_cars · 24-07-2009, 05:14 PM

ok still nothing about the v8 !!!

galaxy xr8 · 24-07-2009, 05:16 PM

I like the sound of this 4 cylinder turbo Falcon, it will be a similar vehicle to the Mazda 6, people can not compare the 80's (commodore 4 cylinder) to today's investment, Techonolgy has come a big way since the carb fed 4 cylinder commodores.
I praise Ford for doing this and look forward to the outcome, as a person that put's economy infront of performance or on par with, I will be looking at the new turbo 4 in the Falcon as a future investment over my little laser as a daily driver, we must remember here, that Ford Aus is giving us the consumer an option, they are not dropping the I6, they have given us an option between I6/V6 and Turbo 4, what more could one ask for.

Windsor220 · 24-07-2009, 05:16 PM

I think we can now safely say that the V8 will be dead with Ford vehicles (FPV only) . Will be interesting to see what happens to the XR8. Probably get moved to FPV.

dallasv8 · 24-07-2009, 05:20 PM

maybe we will see FPV take on the role that Tickford used to have.
the XR6T and XR8 may wear FPV badging.i can see this happening.

ieatsports_cars · 24-07-2009, 05:21 PM

well i was think that small motor in a big 2 tonne car isnt really a good mix, but we will have to wait and see as long as they keep the i6 motor i will be happy and dont gas that one !

GregXR6T · 24-07-2009, 05:30 PM

Ar well at least i tried a ford we love it but there is no way that we will be buying a 4cyl or 6/na or V6 N/A Ford in the future i guess it will be in the future 2 X SS in the garage.
Bad move i think that's just my opinion...

vztrt · 24-07-2009, 05:32 PM

No official announcement has been made about the I6T or the V8. So why not wait until a decision has been made and announced.

Wretched · 24-07-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ieatsports_cars

well i was think that small motor in a big 2 tonne car isnt really a good mix, but we will have to wait and see as long as they keep the i6 motor i will be happy and dont gas that one !

at approx 170kw and 320nm i think it'll move the car fine. I don't think it will be 2 tonne,a smaller motor with less weight should get it to 1550 - 1600kg.
I don't think the mums and dads who will buy this care too much about performance. The XR6T will still take care of that.
As for the XR8, meh no great loss.

Road_Warrior · 24-07-2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

No official announcement has been made about the I6T or the V8. So why not wait until a decision has been made and announced.

Exactly - why are you lot carrying on about the V8's when today's announcement, was quite clearly about introducing a 4cyl to the lineup. V8 engines do not factor into the announcement at all, and I fail to see the connection. Deal with it.

HSE2 · 24-07-2009, 05:46 PM

If I am not a fan of the 4 cylinder commodore I can hardly support the concept in a Falcon and I don’t.

Large cars, small engines don’t work unless people learn to drive differently. Want to increase fuel economy in large cars then the best way is to cut weight and that’s very expensive to do.

If supposedly the future is "smart is small" then all Ford Aust have now done is sink more dollars into the product that doesn't move volume the likes of the projected Focus. What will change to make up the number of units that is now lost? I know which concept looks safest in the long run albeit on paper.

This is a continuation on heading down the path of Ford Australia being out on its own and I think long term that can only lead to one conclusion. The glow of short term gain casts a long term viability shadow.
I know this will be unpopular but the hard decisions made by Gorman had a more integrated global them than that of the current management. I hope there is more long term depth here than meets the eye.

An announcement that injects life into the supposed large car segment or equivalent of the titanic.

I think this is disappointing and question where it will put us in 3 to 4 years time.

4Vman · 24-07-2009, 05:47 PM

Imagine a V6 based on the new "coyote" V8 5.0 platform/technology with identical bore and stroke... 3.75l, 225KW N/A...
There would be some good cost saving from sharing parts and tech.

flappist · 24-07-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ieatsports_cars

well i was think that small motor in a big 2 tonne car isnt really a good mix, but we will have to wait and see as long as they keep the i6 motor i will be happy and dont gas that one !

yeh, there is no way you could power a car the size of an E series falcon with and engine with the power of an E series falcon......

An FG is not 2 tonne it is 1700kg and quite a bit of that is the huge engine and transmission etc. so a T4 will be lighter won't it?

Wally · 24-07-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HSE2

If I am not a fan of the 4 cylinder commodore I can hardly support the concept in a Falcon and I don’t.

Large cars, small engines don’t work unless people learn to drive differently. Want to increase fuel economy in large cars then the best way is to cut weight and that’s very expensive to do.

If supposedly the future is "smart is small" then all Ford Aust have now done is sink more dollars into the product that doesn't move volume the likes of the projected Focus. What will change to make up the number of units that is now lost? I know which concept looks safest in the long run albeit on paper.

This is a continuation on heading down the path of Ford Australia being out on its own and I think long term that can only lead to one conclusion. The glow of short term gain casts a long term viability shadow.
I know this will be unpopular but the hard decisions made by Gorman had a more integrated global them than that of the current management. I hope there is more long term depth here than meets the eye.

An announcement that injects life into the supposed large car segment or equivalent of the titanic.

I think this is disappointing and question where it will put us in 3 to 4 years time.

Isn't this announcement part and parcel of the parent announcing the 2.0 Ecoboost on the 22/7/09?

BMW et al are going down the 1.2l, 3 pot path, so a four banger ain't too bad.

SVTVNM · 24-07-2009, 05:55 PM

Don't the base model Benz C-Class run 1.8/2.1 Kompressor 4's. Their kerb weight is an Average 1500kg between models. Can't see why a turbo 4cyl falcon should be any dramas for the peolple looking for a ecomomical large car. Lets not forget this will be a car for the people, not for Ford enthusiasts like most of us on this forum. But we are only a speck on the board of their target market.

4Vman · 24-07-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Wally

Isn't this announcement part and parcel of the parent announcing the 2.0 Ecoboost on the 22/7/09?

BMW et al are going down the 1.2l, 3 pot path, so a four banger ain't too bad.

Don't Holden already offer a "4cyl" commodore already Wally....?!

GT69 · 24-07-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by xe351

not sure what i think on the subject...... but should be a good engine for a transplant into say an escort/cortina lol

The duratec (or I4) is already being used for this by the poms, the Zetec is still the choice engine though as it mates with older drivelines

excopau · 24-07-2009, 05:59 PM

Ford announced as well. In addition to the news of new engines, Ford told the large media gathering that by 2012, 98 per cent of Ford’s vehicles will be equipped with it’s dual-clutch Powershift transmission. Performance variants of the Falcon and Territory will remain, but the focus on fuel efficiency and green motoring is sure to appease the portion of the population which has shunned the brand for non-green models such as the Falcon and Territory, Imagine an i6 or turbo with this gearbox or an coyote, they would be one fast car over quarter.

Road_Warrior · 24-07-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Imagine a V6 based on the new "coyote" V8 5.0 platform/technology with identical bore and stroke... 3.75l, 225KW N/A...
There would be some good cost saving from sharing parts and tech.

Funny you should say that, if you take the 3.7 Duratec and add the equivalent to another two cylinder capacities, you end up at 5 litres...

Nikked · 24-07-2009, 06:00 PM

As far as i can see, having the option of a 4 cyl in the line up is a positive step, as is New gas setup and Diesel.

Euro Iv I6, that's the best thing! I6 lives on! V8's are a FPV thing only anyway (FPV build the XR8 engines don't they?) Having more options means more sales, and exports.

The new Eco-boost 4cyl is nothing like any old 4cyl, how can someone compare that with the underdeveloped starfire, that's just silly.

excopau · 24-07-2009, 06:01 PM

GM use to do this with its 262 v6 was an 305 with 2 cut off, they idled rough as the 262 v6.

LeadFoot81 · 24-07-2009, 06:03 PM

I think the naysayers who say large cars are dead are forgetting that many people have switched to small cars solely due running costs. I honestly believe the I4 will be a shot in the arm for Falcon and Territory.

However I too am puzzled as to what this means for the Mondeo. As much as I like it, Id prefer a G4ET.

Finally I, like others wait patiently for news on the Coyote V8!

vztrt · 24-07-2009, 06:09 PM

It will be interesting to see how much of a difference it will be in cost to run a 4T Falcon compared to the liquid injection LPG Falcon will be.

ORSM-XT · 24-07-2009, 06:10 PM

whats up with the 4cyl Falcon?? just heard it on the news and quickly jumped onto fordforums.com.au

Ghiadude · 24-07-2009, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

Finally I, like others wait patiently for news on the Coyote V8!

Rumour has it turbos and v8's will go to FPV leaving ford with economy range

Paxton · 24-07-2009, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tx3dude

Rumour has it turbos and v8's will go to FPV leaving ford with economy range

Rumour is wrong.

whynot · 24-07-2009, 07:29 PM

Hummm ... interesting ...

I can see Government Fleets jumping at the 4 cylinder Falcon (well, if not jumping, at least letting it back onto the list). The lower weight will somewhat offset the power reduction. Removing the weight from the nose should also make the Falcon handle exceptionally well.

Interesting question; under the current Queensland traffic laws, a P-plater will be able to drive the I6 but restricted from driving the lower power I4T. Will Queensland transport review this anomaly?

I note the comments comparing the 4 cylinder Falcon with the Camry. From my perspective, the Camry’s engine is not the reason most drivers despise it. The reason why drivers despise it is because the suspension is mush. If the Fleet Manager gave me a choice of a 4 cylinder Falcon or Camry, I’ll take the Falcon any day.

Also, comments comparing a 4 cylinder Falcon to the old 4 cylinder Commodore also miss the mark. The old “Star Fire” four was a shocking engine (a six with two cylinders chopped off). It produced an ordinary 58kW. At around 175kW, and I4T Falcon should go OK.

Other whinges about “where is the V8” totally miss the point of today. Today was about getting the “green message” out.

I am sort of scratching my eyes out that the Territory diesel has been delayed again!!! That it is still two years away. How hard is it to slot one of these things in? But the 64 dollar question is still unanswered; what will be the greenhouse rating of a diesel Territory?

Dr Smith · 24-07-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePistonHead

Holden steals the limelight again:

It's the Melbourne motor show all over again!

Far from it actually,the Holden story didn't appear anywhere early on in the bulletins I watched and I have to say the Ford news has received the most positive feedback I have seen for a very long time, almost GP-esk (RIP), good work Ford Pres, and I've been told that there was a standing ovation (ok they were already standing) when the plant staff were briefed, plus it was great to see their very happy grabs at the end of the story, especially on Chan. 9.