Puma Axed except for EV - Page 6

jpd80 · 22-09-2024, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Just like the mighty 3.8L Buick V6

Looking back at the Nissan I-6 cost blow out and 3.8 V6 recovery phase,
Holden would have been better off following Ford by making the 202 into a DOHC I-6

sorry for off topic

**Fordman1** · 22-09-2024, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Just like the mighty 3.8L Buick V6

In your dreams

3 times overall international engine of the year for that Ford Engine, and 10 awards for best in class.

Show me the awards for that Rubbish boat anchor of yours.

Edit: update of stats

Sprintey · 22-09-2024, 04:08 PM

Longevity award. For continued running over the span of time.

**Fordman1** · 22-09-2024, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

Longevity award. For continued running over the span of time.

Lol, good one

Sprintey · 22-09-2024, 04:21 PM

How kind was Father Time to VW's twincharger?

That one won plenty of engine awards about 15 years back.

**Fordman1** · 22-09-2024, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

How kind was Father Time to VW's twincharger?

That one won plenty of engine awards about 15 years back.

Who cares, the 1 litre Ford Engine is a good little motor.

Franco Cozzo · 22-09-2024, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

In your dreams

3 times overall international engine of the year for that Ford Engine, and 10 awards for best in class.

Show me the awards for that Rubbish boat anchor of yours.

Edit: update of stats

Wards best engine 1995, 1996, 1997

Plenty of Buick V6s out there in the big wide world, was used in 25 million vehicles globally, ran from 1975 through to 2008.

**Fordman1** · 22-09-2024, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Wards best engine 1995, 1996, 1997

I stand by my opinion of the little Ford Motor.

Until we replaced our Puma with a 2023.25 Escape Vignale, I, my wife, and our family and friends thought it was brilliant, and so did my Automotive Engineering friends.

I’ll take all of the above (inc the experience), and those Awards, over what some “random person” on Australian FordForum says.

Sprintey · 22-09-2024, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

Who cares, the 1 litre Ford Engine is a good little motor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yx1-50iqnA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbr3mjnnm8g

Sprintey · 22-09-2024, 04:54 PM

1.5L Dragon 3 cyl looks like fun though.

**Fordman1** · 22-09-2024, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yx1-50iqnA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbr3mjnnm8g

I stand by my comments, troll if you like, our experience was first class.

Franco Cozzo · 22-09-2024, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

I stand by my opinion of the little Ford Motor.

Until we replaced our Puma with a 2023.25 Escape Vignale, I, my wife, and our family and friends thought it was brilliant, and so did my Automotive Engineering friends.

I’ll take all of the above (inc the experience), and those Awards, over what some “random person” on Australian FordForum says.

That's cool,

However, find where I paid out on three cylinder Ecoboost engine and quote it for good measure

No need to carry on like a VDJ79 owner with Kenworth mudflaps on it when someone provides criticism

**Fordman1** · 22-09-2024, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

That's cool,

However, find where I paid out on three cylinder Ecoboost engine and quote it for good measure

No need to carry on like a VDJ79 owner with Kenworth mudflaps on it

Good on you.

I have an S550 Mustang with Shelby mods, Inc wheels, suspension, Ford racing Exhaust etc etc.

The Puma was a better drive, and more fun ( if you didn’t want to burble along, turn heads etc).

You do you (random Australian Ford Forum person).

Sprintey · 22-09-2024, 05:05 PM

Not trolling I just like reliable powerplants

**Fordman1** · 22-09-2024, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

Not trolling I just like reliable powerplants

Ours was fine, no problems at all, and a lovely note too.

Franco Cozzo · 22-09-2024, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

Good on you.

I have an S550 Mustang with Shelby mods, Inc wheels, suspension, Ford racing Exhaust etc etc.

The Puma was a better drive, and more fun ( if you didn’t want to burble along, turn heads etc).

You do you (random Australian Ford Forum person).

The guy with the big, loud, 'look at me' car has come to the same realisation that other car enthusiasts did with the Mini Cooper in 1959.

Congratulations, now you just need to become comfortable in your own skin

**Fordman1** · 22-09-2024, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The guy with the big, loud, 'look at me' car has come to the same realisation that other car enthusiasts did with the Mini Cooper in 1959.

Congratulations, now you just need to become comfortable in your own skin

We’re just fine. Thanks for the advice.

You keep being you, Ok ?

Itsme · 22-09-2024, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

I stand by my comments, troll if you like, our experience was first class.

Why do you say Sprintly trolling? he has presented one side of an opinion to the engine, you do know people will have different opinions to yours for many reasons.

Sprintey · 22-09-2024, 06:11 PM

Hey hey Fordman, the Mustang sounds cool and the discovery of the smaller car being more enjoyable, been there and done that too. "It's funner to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow, especially one that can handle..."

I spent quite a lot of time researching the reliability of the Ecoboost powerplants as I considered a Focus wagon (again, small runaround that would be fun, ideally: new, but that boat sailed) as a car we could upgrade to. My benchmark was the Barra, which has been very reliable in our family.
I learned there were many different types of ecoboost, and even in the 3 cylinder there were different sizes and settings. What ailed one, did not ail all, and it was confusing trying to find out what foibles the 1.5L in the Focus wagon had (Dragon: that one seemed OK).

I came across terrible stories from the UK and US, heads, cooling systems and maybe timing belts/chains and guides, from memory. One bloke did a video skimming the head in his back yard to save a motor - dodgy home mechanics, it was brilliant. There did seem to be catastrophic failures for some of them, glad yours was good.

It seems that about 15 years ago a heap of complexity was added to small forced induction petrol engines, searching for less emissions. It has led to some infamously detonating powerplants - and a whole heap of carbonation on the back of intake valves with the direct injection, with all the further gumming up that can entail. Engineering that you'd think we'd learned not to do by the 1950s, like wet belts and thin block linings, surfaced it's ugly head. The result is a reduction in longevity, and if you want to define quality and the best economy in manufactured products, you'd have to factor in how long a product is known to function with as few problems as "quality".

Recently I've been contrasting this learning about some of the best Chrysler motors from the 1950s and 1960s, when they were famous for their engineering depth. They made some indestructible kit back then.

All opinions are good and no choice is truly right or wrong, the Ecotec was called a boat anchor back in reviews in it's day, but what an enduring anchor it is.

Syndrome · 22-09-2024, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

All opinions are good and no choice is truly right or wrong,

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

the Ecotec was called a boat anchor back in reviews in it's day, but what an enduring anchor it is.

What about Alloytec?

Sprintey · 22-09-2024, 08:32 PM

Funny you should mention that, I was given one of the first VZs as hire car on a work trip back in 2004-5, my Dad had just bought brand new 2003 runout VY and was very chuffed with his wagon.

When I got back, he asked: "Was the new one good? Should I trade mine?" - a bit in jest, as he was very frugal and trading every year was not on the cards! I'd been underwhelmed by how the hi feature V6 went, to me it really didn't feel better than the ecotec, so I replied, "No, hang onto yours."

So he did. Soon after, the GM techs started telling him to hold onto it, too.

The VY is still in the family, about 120,000km and immaculate. Dad has passed away, but mum will still take it out for a drive, and is getting offers every time she gets it serviced. Twenty years later.

Sprintey · 22-09-2024, 08:35 PM

Here's a great video on the wet belt phenomenon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SASSFjIt5I

It's crazy that humanity unlearned something they already knew.

Syndrome · 22-09-2024, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

Here's a great video on the wet belt phenomenon:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SASSFjIt5IIt's crazy that humanity unlearned something they already knew.

https://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11501925

Franco Cozzo · 22-09-2024, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

Here's a great video on the wet belt phenomenon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SASSFjIt5I

It's crazy that humanity unlearned something they already knew.

I don't think it was unlearning, I think its a phenomenon called 'accountants'.

Hey we can make a cheaper belt setup last longer if we run it through oil instead of using a more expensive chain - accounting and marketing win.

Nekminnit class law action.

Mind you my Fiesta ST has a normal timing belt setup and it's replacement interval is 250,000km, so not sure what they were trying to achieve with a wet belt setup, 300,000km+?

kevino · 23-09-2024, 05:55 PM

The Ford Puma 1.0 has a timing chain.
As someone else said Ford seem to have quite a variety of eco boost set ups even the 1.0
But rest assured Puma 1.0 has a timing chain.

Franco Cozzo · 23-09-2024, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kevino

The Ford Puma 1.0 has a timing chain.
As someone else said Ford seem to have quite a variety of eco boost set ups even the 1.0
But rest assured Puma 1.0 has a timing chain.

Might be the 1.5 in the WG Fiesta ST which went from wet belt, to changing it to a timing chain, but then putting a wet belt on the oil pump drive or something

kevino · 23-09-2024, 08:42 PM

It’s hard to pin down
Such a variety of eco boost engines
Despite this your 240000 km Fiesta is proof that some eco boosts will do the distance
To me 240000 is an achievement

Franco Cozzo · 23-09-2024, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kevino

It’s hard to pin down
Such a variety of eco boost engines
Despite this your 240000 km Fiesta is proof that some eco boosts will do the distance
To me 240000 is an achievement

Still does 6.4L/100km even though it's tired as well, amazing what happens when you service and maintain things, I've even been using it off road the last 1.5 weeks on farm access tracks and around crops.

It's seen better days but let's see if it can go 300,000+

If it can break 430,000km it'll beat it's predecessor

Shame Ford turned their back on small cars as Ford Europe is the king of the hot hatch and even econobox front drivers.

jpd80 · 24-09-2024, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by kevino

But rest assured Puma 1.0 has a timing chain.

Not to steal your thunder but the 1.0 Puma has an oil pump belt,
it’s not something that’s gonna fail until the engine has lots of kms.
Just know that the replacement requires a bit of disassembly.

Other than that the 1.0 EB is a nice little engine

kevino · 24-09-2024, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Not to steal your thunder but the 1.0 Puma has an oil pump belt,
it’s not something that’s gonna fail until the engine has lots of kms.
Just know that the replacement requires a bit of disassembly.

Other than that the 1.0 EB is a nice little engine

As I own one -JPD- whats your definition of lots of kilometres?
120000
140000
160000

Be good to know. As Ford sadly discontinued this nameplate depreciation is savage so I ll probably just hang onto it.