p plater driving V8s

[XRGhia]

Lets get this right.. this is what you are and arent allowed to drive

not allowed to drive:
Any V8's
turbo'd vechiles no matter how many cylinders the engine has UNLESS its a factory turbo diesel
the new VE holden SV6 (too much power, so its illegal also)

allowed to drive:
any falcon I6's
any holden V6's up until the VZ
any 4 cylinder
factory turbo diesel (subject to change from RTANSW)


if thats not simple enough just as a small guideline as to whats allowed and not allowed to be driven in NSW


edit: also, i dont mind the LPG sticker on the EF.. i want police/other humans to know its slower than a NF 'Lane 5.slow

[chrisfpv]

You guys can't drive VE SV6's in NSW on P's..?

[Franco Cozzo]

Here in Victoria:

No forced induction unless its factory turbo diesel
No 8 cylinder and above vehicles
Exemptions available on application for FUEL EFFICIENT TURBO PETROL vehicles.

P plates are 4 years down here too.

Anything other than those above rules is free for all, rotaries etc, if you had something with a naturally aspirated 20B rotary you'd be allowed to drive it no problems, they used to have a specific rule for rotaries can't be over a certain capacity which ruled out 13Bs but not anymore.

Integra Type R and S2000s used to be illegal on power to weight grounds, not anymore. Its actually freed up a lot of stuff these new laws as of 2007.

Example, you can't drive a V8 F250, but the I6TD one is fine, but you can drive a FG Falcon which is faster.

[XRGhia]

nope... "apparently" they have too much power...


too bad, i want a VE SV6 Sportswagon in that nice blue..

[burnz]

Originally Posted by xrghiawagon

Lets get this right.. this is what you are and arent allowed to drive

not allowed to drive:
Any V8's
turbo'd vechiles no matter how many cylinders the engine has UNLESS its a factory turbo diesel
the new VE holden SV6 (too much power, so its illegal also)

allowed to drive:
any falcon I6's
any holden V6's up until the VZ
any 4 cylinder
factory turbo diesel (subject to change from RTANSW)


if thats not simple enough just as a small guideline as to whats allowed and not allowed to be driven in NSW


edit: also, i dont mind the LPG sticker on the EF.. i want police/other humans to know its slower than a NF 'Lane 5.slow

so a VZ sv6 190 alloytec is ok, 1600kg+
but a 190 sidi omega isn't ? 1700kg+

[FGII-XR6]

well an FG is 195 Kw for 1704 Kgs

[my_gxl]

I say wait until the little mongrels can even keep a car roadworthy.
I was cut off by a corolla seca today, sporting P plates. It had no left mirror, and a broken right mirror. To my surprise, at a later stage when the right indicator actually got used-it didn't actually flash-only flickered a little.

I think QLD needs to have annual roadworthies-instead of a Flood Tax.

Would fix plenty of issues in one go.

[XRGhia]

yeah, thats what makes me wonder sometimes..


and the EF is always roadworthy... when it isn't, its in the garage locked up.

it really ****** me off severly when unroadworthy/uninsured cars are getting around and trying to do stupid ****..

[|Nate]

This is just proof of how much thought the individual state Governments put into this policy.

I'd love to drive a stock turbo'd A4 or something because I know it'd be safer than my car but oop, can't drive it cause it's a turbo. So I'll just hop into my EB Falcon that is twice as fast and that's perfectly legal! Thanks Victorian legislation !

[GasoLane]

Buggerit. Just go look at the RTA's page of restricted vehicles... http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/...icles_list.pdf

Or the moderate performance vehicles that are eligible for exemption http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/...onditions.html

[belvo]

Does any one no the rules if your driving a parents car with your parent in the car and its turbo. Because my dad has a turbo Subaru Forster but lost his license and some times i have to drive family around and the Subaru the only car that has 5 seats

[Franco Cozzo]

Illegal unless you have an exemption which is no chance because its not the only car in the household

Is it TD?

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by my_gxl

I say wait until the little mongrels can even keep a car roadworthy.
I was cut off by a corolla seca today, sporting P plates. It had no left mirror, and a broken right mirror. To my surprise, at a later stage when the right indicator actually got used-it didn't actually flash-only flickered a little.

I think QLD needs to have annual roadworthies-instead of a Flood Tax.

Would fix plenty of issues in one go.

Few weeks back i saw an L plater in a car with missing headlight, missing mirror, other headlight broken, and one brake light not working.
Great to see intelligent adult supervision....

[lockieoc]

Originally Posted by 8-WORKN

You guys can't drive VE SV6's in NSW on P's..?

"Technically" you can drive the VE Series II SV6 due to the increase of power (210KW) so it exceeds the 200KW limit

[|Nate]

Originally Posted by belvo

Does any one no the rules if your driving a parents car with your parent in the car and its turbo. Because my dad has a turbo Subaru Forster but lost his license and some times i have to drive family around and the Subaru the only car that has 5 seats

Here in Vic, you can drive a car full of people on your P's if one person is at least fully licensed, same with towing, I believe with cars, itd be subject to the same rule. If you have a fully licensed driver it'd be just like back on your L's, so i see no reason why not. Although if your dad has lost his license, then it is very much so illegal unfortunatly, but as longas another family member is fully licensed, you should be okay !

[Ford_The_Win]

Originally Posted by zxctive

Here in Vic, you can drive a car full of people on your P's if one person is at least fully licensed, same with towing, I believe with cars, itd be subject to the same rule. If you have a fully licensed driver it'd be just like back on your L's, so i see no reason why not. Although if your dad has lost his license, then it is very much so illegal unfortunatly, but as longas another family member is fully licensed, you should be okay !

I'm pretty sure that's correct, I remember reading somewhere that none of the restrictions apply, provided a fully licenced driver is in the front passenger seat. But then what would be the point of risking a fine driving a turbo, if there was a fully licenced driver who could drive the family around anyway?

[Ben73]

I occasionally drove a VE SV6 On my P's in NSW. Never had any problems.
I also drove an XR6 FG and I think it is a bit quicker then the SV6.

So what in Vic P Platers cannot tow or drive a car full of people? Sometimes on my P's I did both at the same time.

[chrisfpv]

Originally Posted by Ben73

I occasionally drove a VE SV6 On my P's in NSW. Never had any problems.
I also drove an XR6 FG and I think it is a bit quicker then the SV6.

So what in Vic P Platers cannot tow or drive a car full of people? Sometimes on my P's I did both at the same time.

In Victoria you are on your P's for 4 years. The first year you display red P plates known as P1, then the next 3 years you display green P plates known as P2.

There are certain restrictions and rules while you're on your Ps.

If you obtained a probationary licence (P1 or P2) on or after 1 July 2008, you must abide by the following rules:

Rules and restrictions for P1 drivers
As a P1 probationary driver, the following restrictions apply:

- You're only permitted to carry one passenger aged between 16 and 21 (this excludes direct family and partner)
- No mobile phone use, hands free or hand-held, or any messaging of any kind, is allowed
- You're not allowed to tow anything unless you're doing it for work or you're under instruction
- If your licence is cancelled or suspended as a result of a traffic offence, you're only allowed to carry one passenger (whatever their age) for the balance of your P1 period (there are exceptions to this rule)

Rules and restrictions for P1 and P2 drivers
The following rules and restrictions apply to both P1 AND P2 probationary drivers:

- You can't drive high powered vehicles such as eight cylinder cars, cars with turbocharged or supercharged engines, or nominated high performance six cylinder cars (offences will attract a fine and three demerit points)
- Any suspension, drink driving offence without licence cancellation or suspension, or drug driving offence will result in an extension of your current P1 or P2 period

Other rules that you should be aware of during your P1 or P2 probationary period include:

- You can't have any alcohol or illicit drugs in your body
- You must display your P-plates at all times when driving
- You will lose your licence if you get five demerit points in a year, or 12 over a three-year period
- If you got your licence driving an automatic car, you aren't allowed to drive a manual car until you get a full licence or pass another drive test in a manual car.

[Belial]

I still think it funny with the laws as the kid next door had a hard on for my Pano. His father didn't care if the kid bought it but the vic laws prohibit him from driving it.

351 Clevo on gas will get smacked by an FG and even V6 camry!!!!!!!
(But we all know what is cooler!)

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by 8-WORKN

In Victoria you are on your P's for 4 years. The first year you display red P plates known as P1, then the next 3 years you display green P plates known as P2.

Wow, Talk about a nanny state. (in relation to the laws you stated)

If I was in Victoria I would of broken P plate laws all the time.

On P1 I often towed. Its not hard just remember you are a bit longer and cannot go at highway speeds.

The restricted passenger law was only for 11pm-5am. And only on P1 I believe.
I often drove with a car full of people my age. All it does is make your car slower, so It's harder to hoon in. Not that I was trying.

Automatic Licence is only on P1. I got an Auto licence but drove a manual on P2.

I agree with No 8, 10, 12 cylinder cars. No turbos or superchargers. But most of the other rules are quite stupid.

[chrisfpv]

I think it's one of those things where you hate it if you're a P plate driver, but when you are fully licensed you might agree that the restrictions are there for a reason.

Personally it didn't affect me so much. I've never needed to tow anything for any reason and i'm sure most P1 drivers have a friend who is a P2 license holder who can take more than one person if the occasion calls for it.

[|Nate]

Yeah exactly, IMO I think the laws are stupid because they do severely affect some people, but for me I don't care.
I'm perfectly happy with my car, or driving an FG XR6 if I had the money to buy one ;P

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Wow, Talk about a nanny state. (in relation to the laws you stated)

But do Victorians have to pass 4 tests to get a full license?

L, Red P, Green P, Full License.

(mentioning what state you live in would be helpful )

[|Nate]

To get your learners it's like a small little test thing, I can't even remember it bahaha.
Then a hazard perception test, then the driving test to obtain your RED P's, then on the second after 1 complete year, you can just put up Green P's, then 3 years later I think it's just another driving test for the full license?
Not too sure, but that's about it!

[chrisfpv]

Yeah there's no test to go from P1 to P2. You display red P's one day, get up the next morning and change them to green. Boom you're a P2 license holder.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by 8-WORKN

Yeah there's no test to go from P1 to P2. You display red P's one day, get up the next morning and change them to green. Boom you're a P2 license holder.

In NSW you have to do a computer test to get green p's. It's almost the same as the test to get full licence.

I have a full licence but I still think some of the p plate laws are unnecessary.

[Jim Goose]

Really... took a lot of effort to come up with such a witty reply, pity you couldnt be bothered to come up for reasons for your efforts.
Which bit can you disagree with?
Do you have an issue with older people?
Or are you just saying all P platers are born with such great driving skills that they should all be driving V8 supercars on a track?

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Really... took a lot of effort to come up with such a witty reply, pity you couldnt be bothered to come up for reasons for your efforts.
Which bit can you disagree with?
Do you have an issue with older people?
Or are you just saying all P platers are born with such great driving skills that they should all be driving V8 supercars on a track?

I'm not bothered to argue with your point that ALL P platers are trying to kill themselves, hence I called you a goose - a play on your username. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. But if you really believe that they are all immature maniacs trying to kill themselves, every single last one of them, then I don't think I'm going to change your mind very easily. I'm the first one to say some of them are, but certainly not all.

It's funny that someone can call every single P plater a maniac, I wasn't aware you personally knew every P plater in the country. Maybe you should work at a current affair?

[Jim Goose]

Maybe you need to learn how to read and see whats being said?

Seemingly you also missed the point about attitude, clearly its not sinking in.

But thats fine just keep up the personal jibes....

[Ford_The_Win]

Thread so far

-Why karnnt I dryvv a v8, boiizzz? How can I get round tha pigz stupid ruelz?
-It's illegal mate
-These young people today! (I secretly wish it was still 1990)
-P platers are all evil, demonic ferals. Back in my day...
-P platers should only drive Smart Cars. Better yet, they just shouldn't drive because they are incapable of doing so and will all die if they drive!
-No they're not!
-Yes they are because I said so!