4 young teens lost their lives last night because the driver was showing off - Page 6

MITCHAY · 23-08-2005, 03:05 PM

Im sure they would of made mention of it being Hi Po if it was. Remember thats their "reasoning" behind accidents.

Sourbastard · 23-08-2005, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Im sure they would of made mention of it being Hi Po if it was. Remember thats their "reasoning" behind accidents.

Yeah the media definately know more about cars then anyone does. Ray used to work for Dick Johnson Racing in the old days, he was often seen clearing out the ash tray from Greens Tuff.

23-08-2005, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sourbastard

Yeah the media definately know more about cars then anyone does. Ray used to work for Dick Johnson Racing in the old days, he was often seen clearing out the ash tray from Greens Tuff.

What evidance is there that performance cars are getting into more accidents than normal ones? I don't see how your argument is anymore valid than MITCHAYs.

Heeno · 23-08-2005, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sourbastard

Yeah the media definately know more about cars then anyone does. Ray used to work for Dick Johnson Racing in the old days, he was often seen clearing out the ash tray from Greens Tuff.

sourbastard's right the media know sweet f--- all about cars, old ray just reads what is placed in front of him.

Casper · 23-08-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lizardmech

What evidance is there that performance cars are getting into more accidents than normal ones? I don't see how your argument is anymore valid than MITCHAYs.

His argument is valid because he is stating that there is no information avaliable to support or deny the hipo v's non hipo accident ratio. Hell, no one here has even defined what a hipo car is. What makes a car high performance?

Sourbastard · 23-08-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lizardmech

What evidance is there that performance cars are getting into more accidents than normal ones? I don't see how your argument is anymore valid than MITCHAYs.

THERE IS NO BLOODY EVIDENCE
thats my argument.

Annecdotal "i didnt hear about it on A Current Affair" doesnt mean jack.

Sourbastard · 23-08-2005, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

What makes a car high performance?

Apparently Wings and Neon's, because mitchay cant tell the difference from just looking at the engine. A Nismo sticker helps too.

gozza · 23-08-2005, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

His argument is valid because he is stating that there is no information avaliable to support or deny the hipo v's non hipo accident ratio. Hell, no one here has even defined what a hipo car is. What makes a car high performance?

an xr6 turbo in the alps

gozza · 23-08-2005, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sourbastard

Apparently Wings and Neon's, because mitchay cant tell the difference from just looking at the engine. A Nismo sticker helps too.

your way off bro.. u get more power from the neons on ya muffler tip..add in a fluffy dice...even better if u got 2 then ya got serious *** tearing capabilities...literally

23-08-2005, 03:27 PM

Didn't a university recently do some resarch on this and said it didn't make much difference what they were driving?

gozza · 23-08-2005, 03:30 PM

yeah well ask yourself this question...if the guy that crashed and killed the 3 other people was driving an xr6 turbo..u think his impact speed was higher or was this guy driving at the limits he thought he was comfortable in......cos u may have a higher powered vehicle and not be using its full potential or u could be thrashing somthin not quite as powerfull....does that make any sense?

Laminge · 23-08-2005, 03:45 PM

Not to me!

Steffo · 23-08-2005, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lizardmech

Didn't a university recently do some resarch on this and said it didn't make much difference what they were driving?

Sounds like something Monash would say....

Heeno · 23-08-2005, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Laminge

Not to me!

lol me neither

gozza · 23-08-2005, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Laminge

Not to me!

haha it didn't to me either when i read it
lemme try again

regardless if this kat was driving a hipo car..his outcome would have been the same...i mean he was no doubt an idiot but idiots still don't wanna die...i guess wat i'm getting at is that he may have been in a car able to do 300k/h but wat brains he did have were tellin him to do no more than 150/k/h
i dunno stuff it i find it hard enough to explain sh!t to people talkin let alone convert them thoughts into text

Casper · 23-08-2005, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Sounds like something Monash would say....

No, Monash would say that any car that has a driver with a bank balance over $125 and at least 1 point left on their license is more likely to be captured exceeding the speed limit by 3.01kph at the base of a steep hill on a 4 lane freeway and is therefore a menace to society and must be punished.

(the guy bashing some poor granny on same said hill is irrelevant ans he is not in a vehicle and had a deprived childhood)

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Heeno · 23-08-2005, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gozza

haha it didn't to me either when i read it
lemme try again

regardless if this kat was driving a hipo car..his outcome would have been the same...i mean he was no doubt an idiot but idiots still don't wanna die...i guess wat i'm getting at is that he may have been in a car able to do 300k/h but wat brains he did have were tellin him to do no more than 150/k/h
i dunno stuff it i find it hard enough to explain sh!t to people talkin let alone convert them thoughts into text

lol, i get what your saying now, but i think he would have gone faster in a hipo car then his EA, reason being i have been in a few hipo cars and for example an STI at 150km/h just feels like your cruising along nothing special, but 150km/h in my eb is uncomfortable, so in saying that i would be more likely to do those speeds in a hipo car then something like an EA EB

Sourbastard · 23-08-2005, 04:04 PM

This is simple folks, the reason a P plater shouldnt be driving a Hi Performance car is the same as to why a Cessna Pilot with 15 hours flying time doesnt get given a 747 to fly. Sure he knows the basics, he may even get it off the ground, but a 747 reacts much differently in the sky then a cessna, and when you run out of knowledge, you are going to kill a whole heap of people, including yourself.

Its bloody simple as. If you cant work it out, you shouldnt own a car at all, or anything sharp.

gozza · 23-08-2005, 04:07 PM

just for interests sake i have a private pilots lisence and can fly 152's and 172's...your comment reminded of a dream i had sitting in a jumbo and the pilots dies n stuff so they need a pilot

Sourbastard · 23-08-2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by gozza

just for interests sake i have a private pilots lisence and can fly 152's and 172's...your comment reminded of a dream i had sitting in a jumbo and the pilots dies n stuff so they need a pilot

sounds more like a nightmare.

Casper · 23-08-2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by gozza

just for interests sake i have a private pilots lisence and can fly 152's and 172's...your comment reminded of a dream i had sitting in a jumbo and the pilots dies n stuff so they need a pilot

You should seriously think about going for the "syke" (sp) test you know. :yeees:

23-08-2005, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sourbastard

This is simple folks, the reason a P plater shouldnt be driving a Hi Performance car is the same as to why a Cessna Pilot with 15 hours flying time doesnt get given a 747 to fly. Sure he knows the basics, he may even get it off the ground, but a 747 reacts much differently in the sky then a cessna, and when you run out of knowledge, you are going to kill a whole heap of people, including yourself.

Its bloody simple as. If you cant work it out, you shouldnt own a car at all, or anything sharp.

Performance cars don't react that differently than a normal car. It takes no more skill to drive a XR8 around at the speed limit than a XT. It takes ALOT more skill to land a 747 than a cessna.

Heeno · 23-08-2005, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lizardmech

Performance cars don't react that differently than a normal car. It takes no more skill to drive a XR8 around at the speed limit than a XT. It takes ALOT more skill to land a 747 than a cessna.

hey??...cause they don't act differently then a normal car at the speed limit, beyond that is a diffeant story, you don't see an EA up an STI's *** on a windy road do you.

btw it takes alot more skill to power around a race track in a porsche 911 tt then it does a corolla...whats your point

XD-Machine · 23-08-2005, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lizardmech

I see we arnt familiar with sarcasm.

dam my bad, its kinda hard to spot it sometimes

Sourbastard · 23-08-2005, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lizardmech

Performance cars don't react that differently than a normal car. It takes no more skill to drive a XR8 around at the speed limit than a XT. It takes ALOT more skill to land a 747 than a cessna.

Spoken like someone who has never driven a performance car. Do you seriously think the Minginator drives like your mums carolla? No difference from zero to sixty? No difference from zero to 110? No loss of traction at all off the mark on a rainy night? Something sedate to go pick up the groceries in?

get real.

XD-Machine · 23-08-2005, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

it is terrible . by the way the driver doesn'nt deserve to be dead either.that is just like saying that everyone who drives mad once or twice deserves to have been killed . which means 99% of the drivers out there .chances are if he'd of survived another 2 years he may have been a safe driver.
anyone who is new to driving please go and do some advanced driving courses. these should be compulsory. and if you need to speed do it at a legal dragway or race track .those people will be dead forever now they may have lost up to 80 years of thier lives each .all over a decision .

hey i agree with the advanced course thing. i go do it once i have done a bit of time on the road (once i have my p's)

23-08-2005, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Heeno

hey??...cause they don't act differently then a normal car at the speed limit, beyond that is a diffeant story, you don't see an EA up an STI's *** on a windy road do you.

btw it takes alot more skill to power around a race track in a porsche 911 tt then it does a corolla...whats your point

Yeah thanks to the 911s strange weight distrobution. Its much easier to drive a xr8 around a track than it is a XT which has awful tyres, floaty suspension, an open diff and can still reach high speeds down the straight.

23-08-2005, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sourbastard

Spoken like someone who has never driven a performance car. Do you seriously think the Minginator drives like your mums carolla? No difference from zero to sixty? No difference from zero to 110? No loss of traction at all off the mark on a rainy night? Something sedate to go pick up the groceries in?

get real.

I own a xr8, a 700hp+ supercharged v8 is hardly an accurate representaion of the average performance car.

Sourbastard · 23-08-2005, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lizardmech

I own a xr8, a 700hp+ supercharged v8 is hardly an accurate representaion of the average performance car.

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Performance cars don't react that differently than a normal car.

You never mentioned anything "average" you made a generalization. If you dont like the examples I bring to your generalization, dont make it in the first place. Performance cars come in all shapes and sizes.

To be fair you then compared an XR8 to an XT, which is 108fwkw down with different gearing and differential ratios. And you want me to believe theres no difference in handling or power from 0 - 60 or 0 - 100 and that both have exactly the same traction in all conditions. Of course they dont. Just because they both have 4 wheels and a seat doesnt make them the same animal.

An inexperienced driver in his first XR8 may decide to plant their foot on the gas on a corner and see what happens. The XR8 will react alot faster and with alot more venom then an XT will on the same corner in identicle conditions. Which brings us back to that experience thing doesnt it?

23-08-2005, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sourbastard

You never mentioned anything "average" you made a generalization. If you dont like the examples I bring to your generalization, dont make it in the first place. Performance cars come in all shapes and sizes.

To be fair you then compared an XR8 to an XT, which is 108fwkw down with different gearing and differential ratios. And you want me to believe theres no difference in handling or power from 0 - 60 or 0 - 100 and that both have exactly the same traction in all conditions. Of course they dont. Just because they both have 4 wheels and a seat doesnt make them the same animal.

An inexperienced driver in his first XR8 may decide to plant their foot on the gas on a corner and see what happens. The XR8 will react alot faster and with alot more venom then an XT will on the same corner in identicle conditions. Which brings us back to that experience thing doesnt it?

He also may slide off a corner in the XT due to it having less grip or may slam into someone that pulled out but may not have done the same thing in the XR. A lot of things "may" happen its insane to make laws like that. Maybe they should ban all males from performance cars since they "may" be more likely to drive fast and crash high powered cars. Would you support that?