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Old 30-05-2015, 05:16 PM   #1771
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I'm hoping this new gear set will fit on my MAVIC Ksyrium wheels ?
Wheels are more than 7 years old.
no, it wont. cassette is 11 speed, so won't fit on your hub. not sure if you can just upgrade that part of it. should be able to as it all comes apart.

had a quick look. not sure if you can get a compatible 11 speed freehub body to suit your existing hub. i don't know enough about this area to know whats compatible with what.

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no, it wont. cassette is 11 speed, so won't fit on your hub. not sure if you can just upgrade that part of it. should be able to as it all comes apart.

had a quick look. not sure if you can get a compatible 11 speed freehub body to suit your existing hub. i don't know enough about this area to know whats compatible with what.
Yes , right you are. I guess I'll need a new free hub to suit?
http://www.competitivecyclist.com/mavic-freehub-body
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Old 30-05-2015, 05:39 PM   #1773
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Just found this , so I might be ok I reckon ?



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hi quick question do you think its possible to change the Shimano/SRAM M10 freehub on my mavic ksyrium sl 2009 wheels for a 11speed mavic freehub?

is that even possible? thanks


The only difference between the Mavic M10 and M11 freehub is the name. Essentially they are the same component, only the name was updated when Shimano released 11 speed (to indicate 11 speed compatibility).

This means you can fit an 11 speed Shimano cassette to the M10 freehub, just remove all spacers before fitting the cassette.

I've attached a handy chart that may come in as a useful reference for similar questions regarding compatibility in the future.

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Hi All,

Looking at getting back into cycling.

After some recommendations,as to what type of bike would suit my needs.

I am 55,100kg have lots of,cycle tracks in my area,was thinking mountain bike,as they have some suspension,so as not to shake the old,bones to much and i am, not wanting to spend big money,just something to be able to,ride around on and improve my fitness level.All suggestions welcome.
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Thanks Prydey
Current is 50 / 36. But 10 speed ultegra. Compact crank with 1725 stamped on em so I guess they are a 172.5 mm length.

So I guess the 50 /34 option is closest with the 172.5 crank and 11 - 28 rear cassette with a short cage ?

I'm hoping this new gear set will fit on my MAVIC Ksyrium wheels ?
Wheels are more than 7 years old.

Thanks for help so far , gearing is such a difficult thing to choose.....
I'm about to offload my Ultregra 6800 which I removed from my new bike after 200k as I upgraded to Di2. Might be able to hook you up if interested PM me.
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Hi guys , after giving some deep thought on upgrading , I think I'll stick with my current ride but just upgrade the group set.

Now here is what I'm thinking , but I'm a bit confused with the options .

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/a.../rp-prod110818


Medium cage ? Short cage ?
That's the same groupset I upgraded to. I also bought a wheel to suit the 11speed cassette, I bought the Shimano R501 wheel (I think), which added just over a hundred dollars to the order. Maybe I should have got a better one, but this one goes round...

I got the medium cage, too.
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Hi All,

Looking at getting back into cycling.

After some recommendations,as to what type of bike would suit my needs.

I am 55,100kg have lots of,cycle tracks in my area,was thinking mountain bike,as they have some suspension,so as not to shake the old,bones to much and i am, not wanting to spend big money,just something to be able to,ride around on and improve my fitness level.All suggestions welcome.
You could look at a hybrid bike, if the cycle tracks are where you'll be riding, you shouldn't need suspension unless you're going off road. I started with a hybrid with road tyres, and have passed that onto my eldest son, who would weigh about 100kg.

I'm only 6 years younger than you, and have both a road and mountain bike, the mountain bike seems like a lot of work on a hard surface, but great on the forest trails. After a couple of years on a road bike, my bones feel younger!
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Or try a flat bar road bike. I started with one of these before going to the full road bike.
if the tracks are sealed , then these are a good alternative.

https://ivanhoecycles.com.au/bikes/F...rt_inventory=1
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Hi All,

Looking at getting back into cycling.

After some recommendations,as to what type of bike would suit my needs.

I am 55,100kg have lots of,cycle tracks in my area,was thinking mountain bike,as they have some suspension,so as not to shake the old,bones to much and i am, not wanting to spend big money,just something to be able to,ride around on and improve my fitness level.All suggestions welcome.
+1 for a flat bar road bike if you are only riding on cycle paths. you can fit 32mm tyres (if they don't come with) on the rims and if you just run them at slightly less pressure (85-90psi) it should offer a reasonable ride.

if you would prefer a mtb then as mentioned, i would steer away from full suspension bike.
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Thanks for the replies guys,I will look for a road bike with the bigger tyres.Any suggestions on brands?
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i just bought a specialized sirus off a riding mate for $100. thats well and truly mates rates.

2nd hand bikes can be a bit of a lottery, but i knew that buying off a fellow cyclist it was well looked after machanically. 2nd hand will get you better value but there are the associated risks.

brands to look at........ well, it depends on your budget really, and the type of riding you will be doing and what you want from a bike. there are some cheaper brands on the market that will probably do the job fine. i'll leave someone else to discuss the pro's and con's of different brands. my knowledge doesn't really go that far, plus i am a bit of a brand snob
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Plus one for the flat baror even scope yourself a sportive bike with a more relaxed geometry. It really comes down to how you feel comfortable. Shop around and try a few out. Unless you are going to be going bush no need for an MTB.
as for suspension don't bother, just makes it harder as the suspension absorbs your effort.
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I got my terminology wrong... I started on a flatbar, not a hybrid.
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Thanks for the replies guys,I will look for a road bike with the bigger tyres.Any suggestions on brands?
Go for the usual suspects like
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Lots of options , plenty around and more easy to bargain on price and parts than the more expensive top end brands , especially if you're just a recreational rider. ( like me too )

Of more importance is the group set the bike is running, unless you're partial to a particular brand then I reckon they're all much of a muchness or you're a brand snob like Prydey.....
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no, it wont. cassette is 11 speed, so won't fit on your hub. not sure if you can just upgrade that part of it. should be able to as it all comes apart.

had a quick look. not sure if you can get a compatible 11 speed freehub body to suit your existing hub. i don't know enough about this area to know whats compatible with what.
An 11 speed shimano cassette will go on to a regular mavic freehub fine.
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There will be an alloy mavic spacer behind your 10 speed shimano cassette, remove that spacer and the 11 speed cassette will go on with no issues.

I have had 10 and 11 speed on my mavic SL wheels.
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Came across this. Thought it was pretty funny. Guy has his first driving lesson and has some inattentive cyclist run into him.
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Thought I'd contribute to this thread getting back into cycling again. Looks like it's mostly road bikes which I'm not really interested in. My last bike was a giant stp1. I wanted something similar but instead I have purchased a 2015 giant trance 3. Can't wait to get back into it
whilst there may be a mainly road bike theme, it doesn't mean you still can't seek advice or just brag about your bike and rides. the more the merrier really


personally, i think mountain bikers, especially those who do downhill stuff, are crazy people.
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The most common cause for breakage of the derailleur hanger in the absence of a crash is the derailleur limit adjustment is out allowing the derailleur to move too far to the left when the largest cog is selected. This results in the derailleur contacting the spokes which then forces it back and breaks the hanger. Were you shifting when it broke, is there any evidence of contact on either the derailleur or the drive side spokes?
it was on the largest cog when it happened but the strange thing was I wasn't shifting gear at all. cant see any damage on the derailleur thou there is a little bit of damage to that plastic protective thing behind the gears. I'm not sure whether that was caused from the derailleur when it snapped or has somethings been bumped against and snapped a part of it off. spokes are ok
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as for suspension don't bother, just makes it harder as the suspension absorbs your effort.
Most decent dual suspension mtb now have CTD (climb-trail-descent) rear suspension which locks it out for climbing. Having recently gone from hard tail to dual suspension I would never go back.
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Absolutely. Most decent mountain bikes have had lock out suspension for some time now and spending $$ on a good setup goes a long way and yields an awesome ride.

But if you are going to ride locked out most of the time it's bad for the suspension, the frame, as well as it adds unnecessary cost and weight.

On my commute home along the Gardiners creek trail the other night, after passing a slow group I was just cruisin along doing 29-30kph (on my flat bar) with two guys on full suspension MTBs on my wheel. They peddling their butts off in top gear just trying to hang on. They were locked out too.

Hard tails and dual suspension are awesome for the task they were designed for. But that's not really (most) rail trails, dirt and sealed bike paths.....unless you're looking for a bigger work out. 😛
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Absolutely.

Hard tails and dual suspension are awesome for the task they were designed for. But that's not really (most) rail trails, dirt and sealed bike paths.....unless you're looking for a bigger work out. 😛
Yep definitely depends on the type of environment you ride, I have a road bike for trying to build fitness but the mtb gets 90% of use as I like trails/tracks and downhills and I like to ride like a madman when on them.

Dual suspensions are just so damn comfortable, will never be without one now.
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the bike makes all the difference,

i bought a kmart special a few years ago and even though i was on the flat it still felt like i was cycling up a hill.

then i went to sydney for a holiday , visit my dad, he's really into cycling, has done the zoo to zoo, tour de timor and a few other cycling events.

he gave me this bike to ride with him and i did 3 laps of a 8 km track around rodd cove (lilyfield, rodds point, birkenhead area) it just flew!!

buy a decent bike but don't spend to much, your not a professional. with more expensive bikes your paying for badge, frame material (carbon) , pro class hardware etc..

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not me personally, but quite a few of the guys i know are using it.
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I picked up a 2015 Giant Anthem SX late last year, loving it
Thats a sweet looking bike.


I havnt got it just yet should have it in a week or 3.



Picked up a set of shimano saint free ride pedals aswell for it. Just gotta get myself a decent lid and im off.
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