Covid 19 -

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT January 21st 2022.

68,229 new cases for Australia and 94 deaths so the CMR is 0.143%. That’s a new high for deaths in a day.

NZ recorded 67 cases and 0 deaths for a CMR of 0.338%.

The UK recorded 95,776 cases and 288 deaths for a CMR of 0.977%.

733,475 new cases in the USA yesterday and 3,663 deaths sees CMR at 1.254%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 342M;
Global cases set a new daily record of 3,731,816on 20/1;
Europe sets a new daily record with 1,569,092cases on 20/1;
Europe passes 111M cases;
Asia passes 93M cases;
North America passes 83M cases;
The USA passes 71M cases;
France passes 16M cases;

San Marino (827);
Faeroe Islands (1,259);
Uzbekistan (1.321);
Bahrain (3,616);
Moldova (3,971);
Estonia (4,480);
Latvia (5,972);
Costa Rica (6,169);
Pakistan (7,678) – the previous high (6,825) on 14/6/20;
Georgia (8,767);
Panama (12,351) on 20/1;
Hungary (15,957);
Kazakhstan (16,284);
Chile (17,682);
Romania (19,649);
Norway (24,958);
Czechia (26,907);
Poland (36,665) – the previous high (32,251) on 1/4/21;
Sweden (41,604) on 20/1;
Denmark (43,671);
Japan (44,638);
Russia (49,513);
Peru (56,883) on 20/1;
Netherlands (57,471);
Portugal (58,530);
Belgium (67,448); and
Germany (138,634)

... all recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Iraq moves above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and no countries drops below.

[russellw]

Australia
NSW records 20,324 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 0.9527 (from 0.9713) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend line.



VIC records 13,091 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 0.9082 (from 0.9191) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend.



Here is the predictive trend graph for three States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st. Note that Queensland numbers are a day behind the other two States.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT January 22nd 2022.

57,317 new cases for Australia and 79 deaths so the CMR is 0.143%.

NZ recorded 78 cases and 0 deaths for a CMR of 0.336%.

The UK recorded 75,429 cases and 297 deaths for a CMR of 0.974%.

858,251 new cases in the USA yesterday and 2,916 deaths sees CMR at 1.243%.

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Global cases pass 345M;
Europe passes 112M cases;
Asia passes 94M cases;
India passes 39M cases;
Russia passes 11M cases;

Uzbekistan (1.390);
Algeria (2,211) – the previous high (1,927) on 28/7/21;
Estonia (4,780);
Costa Rica (6,169) on 21/1;
Georgia (11,039);
Poland (40,876);
Japan (49,531);
Russia (57,212); and
Peru (59,470) on 21/1;

... all recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

El Salvador moves above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and no countries drops below.

[slowsnake]

In Perth on Saturday in 40°C heat, 5000 antivaxxers gathered with various placards, the one below caught my eye!...

Originally Posted by slowsnake

In Perth on Saturday in 40°C heat, 5000 antivaxxers gathered with various placards, the one below caught my eye!...

Let's see them happily line up for that same experimental dose when it comes time to treat their cancer.

[MDS69]

Originally Posted by leesa

Let's see them happily line up for that same experimental dose when it comes time to treat their cancer.

An apprentice at work whose mother is/has undergone breast cancer treatment will not get the Covid vaccine yet the cancer treatment has saved her life (so far). The dad has refused to as well. As a consequence they both lost their jobs then their house as they couldn’t make mortgage payments.

[T3rminator]

Looks like skiing on the French alps is off the cards....


Australian travellers may be locked out of Europe as Omicron surges
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...23-p59qhy.html

Australians hoping to book a holiday in Europe may be locked out, after the European Council advised member states to block visitors from Australia, which it singled out as a “COVID danger zone” due to surging Omicron case numbers.

The directive, which applies regardless of vaccination status, means that people wanting to undertake non-essential travel to Europe from Australia could face restrictions ranging from a total ban on entry to having to quarantine or face extra testing requirements.

Originally Posted by MDS69

An apprentice at work whose mother is/has undergone breast cancer treatment will not get the Covid vaccine yet the cancer treatment has saved her life (so far). The dad has refused to as well. As a consequence they both lost their jobs then their house as they couldn’t make mortgage payments.

That's a hurrdurr if I've ever heard one.

My best friend has it and i got tested yesterday... Im feeling better today but i wont recieve the result till tomorrow or tues ?

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by MDS69

An apprentice at work whose mother is/has undergone breast cancer treatment will not get the Covid vaccine yet the cancer treatment has saved her life (so far). The dad has refused to as well. As a consequence they both lost their jobs then their house as they couldn’t make mortgage payments.

So, as they are huddling together in their box under the bridge they will both be happy in knowing how 'they showed everyone'...

It reminds me of every article where pompous / arrogant anti vaxers are lying on their death beds all begging for the vaccination with their last breaths.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by leesa

Let's see them happily line up for that same experimental dose when it comes time to treat their cancer.

But at least they have a choice. They're not forced to ''line up'' or take it. I'm all in favour of the right to try.

Why would a healthy person take these 3 jabs? Maybe if they're some dip *&^& who's only information source is from MSM.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

But at least they have a choice. They're not forced to ''line up'' or take it. I'm all in favour of the right to try.

Why would a healthy person take these 3 jabs? Maybe if they're some dip *&^& who's only information source is from MSM.

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[smoo]

Comical, the narrative around forced vaccine/mandates is crumbling by the day but anyone pointing it out is a CTist. One thing Covid has shown is the so called CTist are proven to be correct 6 months down the track.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

But at least they have a choice. They're not forced to ''line up'' or take it.

When's the last time you caught cancer from somebody else?

[T3rminator]

Doesn't seem like a very good comparison (to cancer) IMHO. One is about people who have terminal illness. The other is about putting something into perfectly healthy people.

Whilst all the focus is on the crazy nutty 5g, bill gates, Qanon type anti vaxers, there are also a lot of very intelligent people who are merely concerned and have some hesitancy....or simply just against mandates. We are now being asked to take 3...and possibly 4...jabs in the space of what? 6 months? Even the WHO has said mandates should only be a last resort. What happened to listening to health experts?

One of the advantages of mRNA technology is that it can be quickly tweaked for new variants. At some stage, people will need to ask themselves how many jabs they are willing to take.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by b0son

When's the last time you caught cancer from somebody else?

When was the last time you've been right?

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Doesn't seem like a very good comparison (to cancer) IMHO. One is about people who have terminal illness. The other is about putting something into perfectly healthy people.

The comparison wasn't in the disease but in the treatment. The technology that people are terrified of in the vaccines is the same technology that's currently being used to successfully treat some cancers.

there are also a lot of very intelligent people who are merely concerned and have some hesitancy....or simply just against mandates.

At what point does concern for one's own rights overrule one's responsibility to society though? Those people don't seem to realise that community health is the responsibility of everyone in a modern society, or at least they choose to ignore it when it's no longer convenient for them. It's why there are rules about asbestos demolition, chemical disposal, land contamination, draining into water systems and a bunch of other laws that ultimately place restrictions on peoples' lives because they ensure the safety of the community at large. They enjoy the benefits of other people ensuring their safety but don't want to do a damn thing when it comes time to ensure someone else's.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Doesn't seem like a very good comparison (to cancer) IMHO. One is about people who have terminal illness. The other is about putting something into perfectly healthy people.

Whilst all the focus is on the crazy nutty 5g, bill gates, Qanon type anti vaxers, there are also a lot of very intelligent people who are merely concerned and have some hesitancy....or simply just against mandates. We are now being asked to take 3...and possibly 4...jabs in the space of what? 6 months? Even the WHO has said mandates should only be a last resort. What happened to listening to health experts?

One of the advantages of mRNA technology is that it can be quickly tweaked for new variants. At some stage, people will need to ask themselves how many jabs they are willing to take.

As many it takes to be be on top of the virus, no different when you are prescribed medicines to treat any other illness, cancers or diseases etc.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

We are now being asked to take 3...and possibly 4...jabs in the space of what? 6 months?

If you catch 3 colds in 6 months, do you go into a panic about that? If not, why not? Why does an immune response to one thing bother you, but another does not?

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

In Perth on Saturday in 40°C heat, 5000 antivaxxers gathered with various placards, the one below caught my eye!...

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I find it hard to believe that they found 5000 anti-vaxxers in the city of Perth !!

Dr Terry

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

At some stage, people will need to ask themselves how many jabs they are willing to take.

They will and they should be able to. Its the way i want it, but for that to work they have the ability to understand the data.

The amount of anti vaxxers I have heard sprouting that the vaccine is hopeless as 1/2 the people in ICU are vaxxed, and that that shows there is no difference between vaxxed and unvaxxed as it is 50% each way.....it just makes me sad for humanity.

They don't get that as far as hospital admissions go 97.5% is TWICE as effective as 95%, as there will be half as many people unvaxxed who are filling up half of the beds. This will mean that we can free up 1/4 of ICU beds by getting just that 2.5% of people vaccinated! Well you can say it till the cows come home, but they take you off on another tangent.

That is why we need mandates, people are too dumb, and they listen to stupid youtubers like the one posted above.

These people are the reason why elective surgery is being effected, good people in left in pain for years due to stupid people listening to garbage peddlers on social media.

3,4,5,8 boosters? whatever it takes for us to beat this thing. We know they are safe now, multiple BILLIONS of shots administered.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by b0son

If you catch 3 colds in 6 months, do you go into a panic about that? If not, why not? Why does an immune response to one thing bother you, but another does not?

I don't think I've ever caught 3 colds in 6 months . But one is your body's existing immune system response, the other is triggered by a foreign substance being introduced into your body. BTW, I'm double jabbed, done nice and early in July so didn't need any mandates to convince me, but multi multi doses slightly bothers me because we don't know the full extent of any side effects in the long run.

Originally Posted by tweeked

...but for that to work they have the ability to understand the data.

We could do a heck of a lot better with data presentation and availability to the public. MSMs should be running docos to show how these vaccines are made, tested, and explain the stats behind them. And explain the science behind why we are unlikely to see negative effects 2-5 years down the track. Instead, all we hear are pollies standing up in front of the TV every day basically saying "trust us". I'm surprised it worked for ~90% of the population

I thought Russell's update on post #18064 was on the money. But those results need time, and we haven't had the time, I get that part.

TBH these mandates, and the way we recently treated an extremely low risk / zero risk individual has me asking questions. Is it really always all about health? The event has had the opposite effect for me.

We are sitting on 32% for the booster. I don't think they will pull the mandate trigger until we are over 50%, and definitely not before the F1 as that might knock a few teams out.

[LG17]

Originally Posted by tweeked

They will and they should be able to. Its the way i want it, but for that to work they have the ability to understand the data.

The amount of anti vaxxers I have heard sprouting that the vaccine is hopeless as 1/2 the people in ICU are vaxxed, and that that shows there is no difference between vaxxed and unvaxxed as it is 50% each way.....it just makes me sad for humanity.

They don't get that as far as hospital admissions go 97.5% is TWICE as effective as 95%, as there will be half as many people unvaxxed who are filling up half of the beds. This will mean that we can free up 1/4 of ICU beds by getting just that 2.5% of people vaccinated! Well you can say it till the cows come home, but they take you off on another tangent.

That is why we need mandates, people are too dumb, and they listen to stupid youtubers like the one posted above.

These people are the reason why elective surgery is being effected, good people in left in pain for years due to stupid people listening to garbage peddlers on social media.

3,4,5,8 boosters? whatever it takes for us to beat this thing. We know they are safe now, multiple BILLIONS of shots administered.

It is far from 50% each way.
Now these figures aren't accurate but say there's 100 people in ICU - that's 50 of each.
The 50 vaxxed would be out of 2 million; the 50 unvaxxed would be 50 out of 100000. That equates to 0.0025% and 0.05% which is far from equal.
I'm sure you should be able to understand the fallacy of quoting your 50%.

[russellw]

Australia
NSW records 15,091 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 0.8752 (from 0.9527) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend line.



VIC records 11,695 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 0.9038 (from 0.9082) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend.



Here is the predictive trend graph for three States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st. Note that Queensland numbers are a day behind the other two States.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I don't think I've ever caught 3 colds in 6 months . But one is your body's existing immune system response, the other is triggered by a foreign substance being introduced into your body.

I had a cold monthly at one stage when my daughter started childcare.

What do you think an immune response is to? A foreign substance being introduced into your body... that's literally what it's there for.

multi multi doses slightly bothers me because we don't know the full extent of any side effects in the long run.

Vaccine side effect timeframes are measured in weeks, not years. I could understand your apprehension if you were getting boosted every 6 months for years on end - then the bioaccumulation of the vaccine ingredients may start to become a factor. But if that's your fear, guess what? They test for that during clinical trials too.

We could do a heck of a lot better with data presentation and availability to the public.

Or, you could just trust the experts. Instead you trust youtube and facebook.

I used to do research for a living. What passes for the public 'doing its own research' makes me laugh. In the same way handing a spanner to a child and telling them to service the family car would. Having access to google doesnt mean you're capable of assessing the information you find, or critique its accuracy or validity.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by MDS69

An apprentice at work whose mother is/has undergone breast cancer treatment will not get the Covid vaccine yet the cancer treatment has saved her life (so far). The dad has refused to as well. As a consequence they both lost their jobs then their house as they couldn’t make mortgage payments.

Fools, blind leading the blind, this is very hard to get my head around, the chemicals used tho treat cancer ( chemotherapy) are a 100 times more detrimental to your overall health than a " killed vaccine "

Silly people, I just don't get it, I really dont

[b0son]

Originally Posted by LG17

It is far from 50% each way.

That was precisely tweeked's point. People dont understand the difference between absolute numbers and rates.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

I find it hard to believe that they found 5000 anti-vaxxers in the city of Perth !!

Dr Terry

It was from my Weekend West newspaper, the photo I put up was separate from the main group, probably because it was witty!
The main photo and story itself was definitely Forest Chase in Perth, and it was as many as they said, just a sea of faces carrying placards!
WA is not like the rest of Australia, it's a wierd place to live, like Texas USA, WA is a separate entity, and its Health System is overloaded and overpriced, its ****ed

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT January 23rd 2022.

48,742 new cases for Australia and 58 deaths so the CMR is 0.142%.

NZ recorded 71 cases and 0 deaths for a CMR of 0.334%.

The UK recorded 74,800 cases and 75 deaths for a CMR of 0.970%.

312,314 new cases in the USA yesterday and 841 deaths sees CMR at 1.239%.

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Global cases pass 351M;
Europe passes 113M cases;
North America passes 84M cases;
Brazil passes 24M cases;

Uzbekistan (1,478);
Venezuela (2,401) on 22/2;
Slovenia (13,883);
Japan (54,180);
Russia (63,205); and
Netherlands (65,325)

... all recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Belarus and Palestine moves above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and no countries drops below.

[slowsnake]

Just went and bought newspaper, The West Australian, on front page is a short story, but worthy I suppose as a headline, the reporter is Peter Law.

JUST TWO CASES SPARK BUNGLE!
QUOTE.

A COVID positive mother and daughter were wrongly directed to the emergency department waiting room of a major Perth Hospital! potentially exposing other patients, in an embarrassing bungle just days after Premier Mark McGowan delayed WA's border reopening.
UNQUOTE..


The article goes on for half a page, but these two were confined at home under quarantine laws/rules, the youngster was vomiting and the mother phoned WA Health's Infection Control Unit, and was directed to take the child to the Fiona Stanley Hospital ED!

They were met in a tent outside the ED by a nurse, the mother told the nurse they were both Covid Positive, the mother questioned the nurse when both were directed to the paediatric waiting room.
It's crazy, the mother did everything right to protect others!
Ended up that 5 families in the waiting room had to go into isolation, and the hospital said the nurse made a "mistake" it said the nursing assistant was replacing a triage nurse who had to leave the post momentarily and " dident know what to do "

Geez and we folk wonder how this insidious disease gets passed around!