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Would you believe even our own ABC has a youtube channel? They not only stream each state's daily covid conferences live each day but you can also go back and watch any that you missed. |
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Global 30/1/22 (figures up to 29/1/22)
During the last 15 days, global CMR's have mostly been dropping with the global whole of pandemic average now at 1.522% compared to 1.713% in the previous period and 2.281% a year ago today. Case number continue to skyrocket with 48.56M in the last 15 days compared to 35M in the previous period with 136,340 deaths in the last 15 days for a CMR of 0.281% on an unadjusted basis. That's 31.6% more than the 103,594 deaths in the previous period despite the 38.6% increase in cases although the adjusted CMR based on the previous period case numbers is not so healthy at 0.390% but that's far from an exact science. Note that 'adjusted' CMR uses the case numbers from between 16 and 30 days ago and the mortalities from the last 15 days Overall the increase in cases numbers was 13.0% but the variance in the number of deaths only 2.4% so that's a positive sign. Countries (with <100k cases) that were well above that growth rate are headed by Réunion (+43.4%); Australia (+39.1%); Denmark (+34.9%); Norway (+33.9%); Guadeloupe (+29.8%); France (+27.9%); Japan (+27.7%); Uruguay (+25.0%); Sweden (+24.6%); Slovenia (+24.5%); Maldives (+23.9%); Belgium (+22.1%); Finland and Latvia (+21.9%); Switzerland (+21.8%); Austria (+21.6%) and Panama (+21.2%). The USA +12.6%) and UK (+8.2%) fared a bit better. Very few countries saw their mortalities increase by much with only South Korea (+11.1%), Finland (+11.2%), Laos (+11.5%), Réunion (+13.0%) and Australia (+29.0%) having double digit growth amongst countries with >100k cases. Belarus, British Virgin Islands, Burkina Faso, Cabo Verde, DRC, Eritrea, Eswatini, Ethiopia, Fiji, Ghana, Greenland, Guinea, Ivory Coast, Kenya, Laos, Madagascar, Malawi, Namibia, Nicaragua, Nigeria, South Africa, St. Vincent Grenadine, Uganda and Zimbabwe all recorded worse overall CMR's than the previous period - there's a fairly obvious pattern there.
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Youtube for all your facts? Now I know why little makes sense to you. Certainly not the place for reliable global Covid information. Quote:
Sorry...I don't like womens football and that's about all get on the GAYBC Complete with empty stadiums.... You seriously spend time watching ABC reruns? Show me an ABC reporter that is:- 1. A man 2. A man that's not a vegan 3. A hetrerosexual man 4. A man NOT representing some fringe minority. 5. A man that can find a job elsewhere... Go on...I dare you. BTW....Al Jazeera has world news without ads.
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You watch Al Jazeera as a source of truth?
From The Factual: Over a dataset of 1,000 articles, Al Jazeera scored an average Factual Grade of 54.3%. This is well below the average of 61.9% for all 240 news sources that we analysed, placing the site in the 18th percentile of our dataset. However, it is also fair to say that their reporting has less bias: Al Jazeera had an average Writing Tone score of 0.69, placing it in the 68th percentile in our dataset. This suggests that articles from Al Jazeera typically have a more neutral tone. The average Writing Tone score for the entire dataset was 0.56. Further: MBFC assigns Al Jazeera a “Left-Center” bias due to story selection that at times favours the left.
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Before I get bombarded with being a anti Vaxxer or that I am a pro Vaxxer, This is a genuine question.
So from what I understand, if I'm fully Vaxxed, I can catch it , I can spread it, I can end up in hospital with it, and I can still die from it, but the symptoms might be "milder", but its ok for me to wander the community and mingle with my good to go pass. But if I was not Vaxxed, I can still catch it , I can still spread it, I can still end up in hospital with it, and I can still die from it, the effects might be mild or aggressive, but im not allowed into the community or allowed to mingle with the Vaxxed, in lock down I will not be allowed to go to work with the vaccinated even if I dont have it? I just want to know why a vaccine that is meant to protect me might or might not protect me, it does have side affects for those with known heart problems from what I have found out and confirmed by my GP, pity the ones that don't know like the 6 funerals I had to attend, 2 blood clots and the other 4 were heart related within weeks of getting the jab, and now my mates son who is in hospital with an adverse reaction of Myocarditis which is a Heart condition in a always healthy 22 year old within days of getting the jab?. Sorry, it's not really what I thought a vaccine was?, and I don't know why the government is so hell bent on us getting a vaccine that might or might not work against a mutant variant of this. Im not going to say whether I am Vaxxed or not as I think everyone's medical status should be private. Last edited by prktkljokr; 30-01-2022 at 08:39 PM. |
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I could only find one guidance document WRT vaccinating kids, published in November (ie. AFTER he wrote his piece), and it said kids are simply a lower priority while high risk populations in developing nations have yet to be given the vaccine. That's a wildly different message than your quote implies. Quote:
Its the same old faulty logic applied by antivaxxers here that question the TGA's vaccine adverse reaction reporting stats. Amazing how many antivaxxers no longer have the courage of their convictions, now they're not antivaxxers, they're just 'questioning' and 'standing up for their freedoms'. Give me a break. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's certainly not a Dyson. |
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So lets theorise for a moment. Nobody gets vaccinated and omicron hits. We have at least the same level of hospitalisations (but quite likely at least double given we know the vaccine has 30-40% effectiveness against infection in recently vaccinated/boostered people), but now there's no protection against serious illness. So perhaps 15x as many people die, or around 25,000 people so far. And that's omicron. If we'd taken the same approach with delta, we get a similar number of deaths, but that was with major lockdowns. So lets scrap the lockdowns since this is 'just a flu', and you're probably looking at well north of 100k deaths. |
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Some people from the early trials have actually testified that their adverse side effects were ignored and dismissed by manufacturers. Maybe not big enough to change the safety threshold, but hardly gives you the full confidence you once had when once you know about it. The US and UK gave emergency use approval. TGA here gave provisional approval... the only definition for "provisional approval" I could find on TGA's website was this one related to prescription medicine, but I assume it would be somewhat similar. Quote:
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They have done wrong by my good friends that have died from the vax itself and the many thousands that have already died around the world, they are just a figure that the government can live with, collateral damage?, funny how the Government set up that they or the Big Pharma companies cant be held responsible for deaths from a adverse reaction. The people I work with that openly say they have had it 2 of them are having health issues all of a sudden related to the vaccine and have 1 with a exemption from getting it because they know it will kill him. Look I'm not so sure anymore that they do have their ducks in a row with this vaccine, plus if you go through the figures of the past, the Flu takes out a lot of people world wide every year leading up to Covid, Covid is taking a small percentage more, its here we have to deal with it, im sure there will be more and more vaccines and them telling us we are more protected the more of it we have, but we are at 3 now with them suggesting a 4th will make it even harder for the virus, when will it stop, do we need to have 10 each?. Lets say they have it wrong and this vaccine has a problem that has not shown its head yet, who are they hurting?, looks to be every one they are mandating to get it and the ones that they are making get it more and more. So if for argument sake if I don't get it and I'm wrong, who am I hurting? I don't understand that if my work colleagues are all vaccinated and lets say I'm not, I cant work with them if we go into lock down just in case I infect them, but one of them can get infected and bring it to work?, who is it I would be hurting to make it so I cant work for not being vaccinated? |
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Its funny I dont know anyone with Covid either maybe i should buy a Lotto ticket for that reason too Last edited by prktkljokr; 30-01-2022 at 09:53 PM. |
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Like you I would like to see more independent scrutiny in their research but that is up to government organisations that regulate this industry. Cheers |
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THAT is why the government are pushing so hard for everyone to be vaccinated. because of the people who cant be vaccinated. the more of us that are, the more of a fighting chance they've got, because an indefinite lockdown (even lockdown lite) is a fool's errand. |
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And to set the context around this hearing, (it was not an antivax exercise)..... https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...ne/7785463002/ Also note that governments have given Pfizer and Moderna indemnity on vaccine injuries. It'll be interesting to see what one needs to do / prove to get access to government compensation schemes. As mentioned before, I am hesitant on my 3rd because of the effects I felt after my 1st. Its a huge dilemma for me because my mum is immune compromised. At first my parents were shouting me down for not getting the 3rd sooner, but when my Dad shared the story of my side effect with his circle of friends, he was surprised to hear that 3 others had reported something similar. They have now asked me to see if I can get GP approval to have the AZ shot as a booster instead, and that will likely be the way I will go if it becomes a mandate. Quote:
I don't take nurofen...isn't that the stuff that destroys your liver? The last time I took antibiotics was because an illness got hold of me when I was in a country where hygiene wasn't great....it was to treat/cure whatever I had.
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(And yes, if it’s take the vaccine or lose your livelihood, or face segregation that’s being forced) This pandemic is making a lot of people ask questions, myself included. |
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If reporting these types of stories and facts on Fox News makes it an anti-vax message, what does it make them if they were reported on our ABC or MSNBC? Does it make it a public service announcement? A political stand maybe? If it can be 110% directly unequivocally proven that the vaccine caused 3700-whatever deaths, why is anti-vax if reported by Fox News? Would it not be considered a coverup because it wasn't reported by MSNBC? If MSNBC reported these 3700 deaths I'm sure you'd be saying its in the public interest and because Fox didn't they are in fact trying to cover up harmful side effects. Can you not see the stupidity paradox here??? In an article written by the ABC, posted here the other day, it said: Quote:
They wrote a profile about Frecklington, the then opposition leader, where they wrote how similar she looked to Chook Lady and quoted her as saying "I'm a down to earth mother. I buy my clothes at Target. Have no need for flashy clothes and makeup". For the next 2 week all they printed was how the Libs hired a doppelganger who put another woman down based on her dress sense and would look like trash at official events. They played up her proposed hiring of 7000 health professionals that haven't eventuated yet and largely ignored she failed to produce a budget for the year or a means to pay for her promises. She purposely held it until after the election so no one could see how bad a financial hole the state was in. In my local area they trotted out the same "Keith Pitt (Federal LNP member) wants to build a nuclear power plant in Burrum Heads" story as they do every state and election. They spent months writing weekly stories about "where's Ted? What Ted done lately". Ted Sorensen being the then incumbent Lib member. When he decided to retire all they wrote about his replacement was he was a failed business man that organised a cash for access dinner during his campaign. The eventual winner, Labor tosser Adrian Tantari, hasn't been seen of or heard from in months. I just had to check to see if he's still alive. But not one word in the Courier Mail. Point is, your beloved media outlets are no better. They lie, spread misinformation, run spin campaigns, write with a bias and to a narrative. P.S. Don't focus on my examples. Focus in the hypocrisy. That's whats |
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Its funny if they reported all the Flu deaths of all the years before Covid every day to the public, you would think that the Flu was a pandemic pre Covid and Covid was no big deal, but they didn't, its only the Covid statistics every day and how many people are dying from Covid, its also funny that the deaths from the Flu have dropped since Covid, maybe its on holiday while Covid does its job?. Im sure if they reported every single death around the world each day of whatever virus is going around Im sure there would be more than 1 pandemic in the public eye. I know Covid is real, I know it makes people sick and I know it kills them, not disputing it, but the Government and Pharma companies know a lot more than they are letting on, most people say ok they are the experts so it must be ok, look at the statistics and information its all there ![]() |
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Delta is still out there, omicron doesnt yet make up 100% of cases. But I'm glad you can tell who has what strain by sight.... |
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I think that's the point. Some side effects are worse than others. With treatment drugs people can read the disclaimers and footnotes and make a choice. Headache vs side effects of nurofen, well you can weigh up the benefits and the risks, and make that choice. Put "possible heart defect" on a packet of nurofen and see how many people will still take it as frequently as they do.
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The question would be then "what did you think it was"? To me a vaccine is a substance used to trigger a response in the human immune system to provide the best possible chance of resisting an attack from an unknown infection or disease. I'm pretty sure the dictionary will say the same thing. Layman's terms, you are priming the body with the best possible teaching and techniques on how to fight if and when the fight comes, with the chance of winning being pretty high, but no assurances how beat up you might be when you walk off. I have 2 uncles, one in his early 60's the other mid 70's, both have cardiac and respiratory problems, among other issues. I described the older one elsewhere as a scooter riding co-morbidity. Both had covid over the last 4 weeks. The older one was released from hospital in 5.5 days, the other 7 days. They both spent about 18 hours on oxygen and sounded like they had a massive chest infection on the phone. The next day it was gone, disappeared. My early 30's cousin only realised he had covid because of a RAT test and follow up PCR. He's had nothing more than a sniffle. Another late 30's good friend who is a nurse unit manager at a hospital has had covid 3 times now. Back at work within 6 to 8 days. I think if a person expects any more from ANY vaccine than situations and recoveries like what I've listed above is either a fool or seriously misinformed. |
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Word from the doctor was boosters provided can only be picked from the options approved by the state. Which I'm sure stems from Federal. Choices are limited unless Novavax becomes approved/recommended. |
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Its also known each day that a decent percentage of people hospitalised have had the injection and people who have had 1 and 2 injections are dying, they report this each day. We also have some conflicting information, from what McGowan is telling us even with the vaccine you can still catch it, you can still spread it, you may still be hospitalised from it and you can still die from it, so getting your booster shots may assist with not getting it or if you do it will be milder which will give you a better chance of getting over it, but what he does not say is if you have underlying issues it is still dangerous even if you have had all your shots. I dont think it makes any difference to what strain is floating about, we know it is deadly, its just the bull$#!t floating around that is muddying the water, you cant tell me that any of these vaccines are going to stop it when they even say you can still catch it, but less likely if you have had all your shots, so bottom line is you can still catch it even with the boosters. Great Vaccine so far I never got the Flu with the Flu vaccine I'm not saying the vaccine is a snake oil, I think it works for some and does not for others, it also has some serious side effects for some people, I just don't think we are being told the full story and are kept in the dark regarding its effectiveness, it is being sold to us as a preventer from getting it if you have all the jabs on 1 hand, then told it will not completely protect you in the event you come in contact with it on the other. Last edited by prktkljokr; 31-01-2022 at 12:55 AM. |
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