Covid 19 -

[slowsnake]

It's amazing just how far the rich and "powerful" go to be treated differently to me and you, the man on the street, the rank and file!
My trusty West Australian newspaper reported by Tim Clarke, well he tells me how business tycoon Neville Power who travelled to WA from Queensland without proper paperwork last October, in a helicopter, with its locator beacon puposely turned off part of the way.

He has pleaded guilty, hoping to stay out of jail, his excuse was flabbergasting, he claims to suffer from " cognitive distortions" when under stress

Poor Neville, he had his son with him too, does he suffer the same condition as daddy?

His barrister said Powers was " dripping with remorse" insight, and acceptance of responsibility!.....yikes, what a maggot!

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT February 11th 2022.

33,137 new cases for Australia and 60 deaths so the CMR is 0.157%.

NZ recorded 476 cases and 0 deaths for a CMR of 0.274%.

The UK recorded 58,899 cases and 193 deaths yesterday for a CMR of 0.875%.

238,980 new cases in the USA yesterday and 2,856 deaths sees CMR at 1.189%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 408M;
Europe passes 142M cases;
Asia passes 107M cases;
USA passes 79M cases;
Italy passes 150k deaths;

New Zealand (476);
Brunei (981);
Hong Kong (1,325);
Belarus (8,611);
Vietnam (26,487);
Chile (38,446); and
Russia (203,949)

... all recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while Nepal drops below.

[russellw]

Australia
NSW records 8,183 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 0.9733 from 0.9740) while the actual line remains above the predictive trend line, albeit only just.


VIC records 7,224 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 0.9425 (from 0.9864) while the actual line is about level with the predictive trend.




No states set a new daily record on 11/2.

Here is the predictive trend graph for three States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st.

[russellw]

Here are a few random graphs we haven't seen for awhile.

First up, the weekly case numbers by continent over the last 8 weeks which shows they have all probably passed their Omicron peak and are on the way back down. Some faster than others.



Next, a comparison of population percentage against percentage of cases and deaths by continent. While this is almost certainly impacted by quality of reporting,it's a bit of a mixed bag. Oceania (mostly us) has more cases than our population percentage would suggest - with 0.49% of the global population but 0.75% of global cases although mortalities are lower at 0.12%. The worst performing is South America with 5.4% of the global population but 12.66% of cases and 21.22% of reported deaths. Europe isn't much better - with 9.5% of global population they have 34.86% of all cases and 28.74% of all deaths.



Next, a comparative look at CMR by continent. The global average is currently 1.42% so we (Oceania) are well below that while North America is slightly above and both Africa and South America are well above.



Next are the case numbers per 100k of adult population for selected countries. We used to be well below the global average prior to Omicrom but we are now about twice the global average with 15.8k/100k but still half that of some European countries.



Thankfully, it's a much better story for deaths per 100k of adult population. The global average is 103.8 and we have only 24.9 - well behind countries like France (241), Italy (408), the USA (450) and Peru (828)!



Next is a look at the current CMR for selected countries. As noted earlier, the global average is 1.242% but Australia is only 0.1575% or 9x less. Only Brazil and Russia are still over 2% while Peru is a basket case at 6.1%. The USA (at 1.189%) is 7.5x greater than ours while the UK (0.875) is 5.5x greater.



Finally a couple of charts looking at the delta between the 90th percentile case numbers and the daily average over the last 10 days for various countries.

[.:4:.]

I picked up my brother today to go drop some stuff to my grandparents. The nursing home has 18 covid cases but you can leave packages at the door. Its a bit sad really, all residents confined to their rooms, a/c has been shut off to prevent transmission. So our package was some reading material for th g's, some stationary as my grandpa loves writing poetry, and some contriband. So by that i mean, they have a controlled diet, so a kit kat for grandma and a caramel milk for grandpa. Theyre 94 and 95 respective, its a nice private run facility, but its just sad theyre confined and any socialising is phone calls. Theyre both frail, but still walking. Just, they cant really walk further then their bathroom so that surely isnt good for aged joints. Its sad really.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by .:4:.

I picked up my brother today to go drop some stuff to my grandparents. The nursing home has 18 covid cases but you can leave packages at the door. Its a bit sad really, all residents confined to their rooms, a/c has been shut off to prevent transmission. So our package was some reading material for th g's, some stationary as my grandpa loves writing poetry, and some contriband. So by that i mean, they have a controlled diet, so a kit kat for grandma and a caramel milk for grandpa. Theyre 94 and 95 respective, its a nice private run facility, but its just sad theyre confined and any socialising is phone calls. Theyre both frail, but still walking. Just, they cant really walk further then their bathroom so that surely isnt good for aged joints. Its sad really.

Downright criminal if they are confined to their rooms 24/7, surely they should be allowed out occasionally to walk or sit outside amongst gardens for fresh air and wellbeing.
Hope your grandparents do well in these crazy times.

[FTE217]

4 - yes tuff for the oldies in aged care during covid…….
My mother in-law @ 92 due to delivery infection she was locked up in her room for weeks - my wife dealing with it with her doing daily FaceTime during dinner making sure she keeps eating.
This was only recently and prior went though earlier lockdown that you couldn’t visit for months.
Worse my mother in-law is that typical old ethnic NO English !
My wife talking with her only way to find out if she in pain - needs Panadols etc…..
Man the stress this has caused over the last couple of years I tell you.
Anyway she’s doing ok under the circumstances thankfully all the best to yours.


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[.:4:.]

So when covid was not so nuts, my g's were in assisted living, so their own place, assistance if needed.
But now its full time care. Yes, both need it. Gma is more frail then gp. Grandpa, he misses going for walks around the block. Their nursing home is no joke around the corner from the house my grandpa grew up in, and that house still stands. He did the jail break last week, made it down the lift, out the door but got caught at the gate. At 95, he isnt going to make a run for it.
Reading material from todays delivery, a womans weekly for gma and a magazine about ww2 aircraft for gp. Grandpa was in the airforce but never got deployed because the war was over.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by russellw

Here are a few random graphs we haven't seen for awhile.

First up, the weekly case numbers by continent over the last 8 weeks which shows they have all probably passed their Omicron peak and are on the way back down. Some faster than others.

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Next, a comparison of population percentage against percentage of cases and deaths by continent. While this is almost certainly impacted by quality of reporting,it's a bit of a mixed bag. Oceania (mostly us) has more cases than our population percentage would suggest - with 0.49% of the global population but 0.75% of global cases although mortalities are lower at 0.12%. The worst performing is South America with 5.4% of the global population but 12.66% of cases and 21.22% of reported deaths. Europe isn't much better - with 9.5% of global population they have 34.86% of all cases and 28.74% of all deaths.

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Next, a comparative look at CMR by continent. The global average is currently 1.42% so we (Oceania) are well below that while North America is slightly above and both Africa and South America are well above.

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Next are the case numbers per 100k of adult population for selected countries. We used to be well below the global average prior to Omicrom but we are now about twice the global average with 15.8k/100k but still half that of some European countries.

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Thankfully, it's a much better story for deaths per 100k of adult population. The global average is 103.8 and we have only 24.9 - well behind countries like France (241), Italy (408), the USA (450) and Peru (828)!

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Next is a look at the current CMR for selected countries. As noted earlier, the global average is 1.242% but Australia is only 0.1575% or 9x less. Only Brazil and Russia are still over 2% while Peru is a basket case at 6.1%. The USA (at 1.189%) is 7.5x greater than ours while the UK (0.875) is 5.5x greater.

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Finally a couple of charts looking at the delta between the 90th percentile case numbers and the daily average over the last 10 days for various countries.

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The government should employ you

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by .:4:.

So when covid was not so nuts, my g's were in assisted living, so their own place, assistance if needed.
But now its full time care. Yes, both need it. Gma is more frail then gp. Grandpa, he misses going for walks around the block. Their nursing home is no joke around the corner from the house my grandpa grew up in, and that house still stands. He did the jail break last week, made it down the lift, out the door but got caught at the gate. At 95, he isnt going to make a run for it.
Reading material from todays delivery, a womans weekly for gma and a magazine about ww2 aircraft for gp. Grandpa was in the airforce but never got deployed because the war was over.

That's so sad number 4, are they together in the nursing home or separated?

Cheers Billy

[GTMOND]

Originally Posted by russellw

So many inaccuracies in one mini-rant.

None of the vaccines (there isn't just one) were ever claimed to be 95% effective against you getting COVID variants that were prevalent at the time - I've posted the actual figures claimed here before (which differed for our two main vaccines). What they did claim was ~95% (Pfizer) and ~87% (Astrazeneca) effective against serious illness or death for those variants.

The goal posts don't keep moving - the virus has evolved and thus the efficacy of the vaccines has also changed. The claimed efficacy was for variants up to and including Delta but they have proven less effective against Omicron, particularly as their benefit is not as long lasting as might have been hoped thus the need for boosters.

It isn't even true to say that most of the deaths are amongst those with underlying co-morbidities. Yes, they do make up about 70% of the deaths in those countries with mature health systems but the 30% is still 1.5M people globally that were otherwise healthy enough.Indeed, age has proven to be a bigger indicator with 81% of Australian deaths occurring in the over 70's.

Whether we need different vaccines for different strains remains to be seen but the flu jab that has been around for decades is different almost every year without people screaming from the rooftops that it's a menace to society.

Originally Posted by arm79

If the CFO said "I will do it and take all responsibility for the implementation and running", then the CFO.

Because the CIO wouldn't be stupid enough to allow it to happen if the CFO didn't take all of the responsibility.

Attached is just one article stating on the first sentence 90 something percent effective against getting Covid. I found plenty stating that including one from ATARGI stating the same. I agree that they also state it MAY help against severe illness.
I'm not here to argue, but surely someone in the media has to ask why we have to create so much divide in the community, with the endless discrimination against unvaccinated people, whom a great majority are just normal people who have a legitimate concern about this particular vaccine.
The hysteria of some people refusing to sit beside someone unvaccinated is just mind boggling. I just can't get the way unvaccinated people are treated, I can carry it and pass it on just as easy as someone unvaccinated.
I have lost some great workmates who were just ordinary Fathers who just didn't want the vaccine, and felt that strongly that they give up high paying positions in the mines.
Mark Magowan had a press conference yesterday saying that there is a significant amount of elderly people in nursing homes who didn't want the jab because they were approaching the end of their lives, he said he understood that, yet these are the people who are the most vulnerable to be effected by Covid, yet he pushes it on everyone else, including kids who are the least vulnerable. I'm sorry, but once again, it doesn't make sense.
I have just had my booster, and to be honest didn't want it, but being that I work in WA, it's mandatory.

[GTMOND]

Originally Posted by GTMOND

Attached is just one article stating on the first sentence 90 something percent effective against getting Covid. I found plenty stating that including one from ATARGI stating the same. I agree that they also state it MAY help against severe illness.
I'm not here to argue, but surely someone in the media has to ask why we have to create so much divide in the community, with the endless discrimination against unvaccinated people, whom a great majority are just normal people who have a legitimate concern about this particular vaccine.
The hysteria of some people refusing to sit beside someone unvaccinated is just mind boggling. I just can't get the way unvaccinated people are treated, I can carry it and pass it on just as easy as someone unvaccinated.
I have lost some great workmates who were just ordinary Fathers who just didn't want the vaccine, and felt that strongly that they give up high paying positions in the mines.
Mark Magowan had a press conference yesterday saying that there is a significant amount of elderly people in nursing homes who didn't want the jab because they were approaching the end of their lives, he said he understood that, yet these are the people who are the most vulnerable to be effected by Covid, yet he pushes it on everyone else, including kids who are the least vulnerable. I'm sorry, but once again, it doesn't make sense.
I have just had my booster, and to be honest didn't want it, but being that I work in WA, it's mandatory.

Sorry, forgot my attachment. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54873105

[tweeked]

I am sorry you think it makes no sense, because it is actually really simple. If you had your way and we just said” get vaxxed if you want, no probs and all is good if you don’t”, do you think we would have even reached 50%. No chance. Even at 95odd% we have been on a knifes edge in hospitals. 5% of the people accounted for 50% in hospital. So in the world you wish for, rather than 1000 in Vic and 2500 in NSW hospitals, it would have been BEST CASE 5 times more in hospital. 5000 and 12500. Right there you have a collapse and the death rate rockets as we start deciding only certain people get in, and thousands can’t.

Hope this helps.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by GTMOND

Sorry, forgot my attachment. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54873105

Sorry but even that article admits to being 'early' data based on a sample size of 94 volunteers. Go and read some of the subsequent peer reviewed trials where even the manufacturers acknowledged that 90+% protection was only against serious effects and the 'protection' against infection was likely in the 75-85% range - at best.

[slowsnake]

I like this, front page of the Sunday Times, too funny....

well excuse me meme

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

That's so sad number 4, are they together in the nursing home or separated?

Cheers Billy

Yes they share a room. Whilst their world had become a small place going into full time care, before being confined to their room they could atleast socialise with other residents. So put a bunch of oldies in a room, theres centuries of stories to be shared. But now, their only human contact with others is staff in full PPE, and they cant dilly dally around so the human part is all but removed.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT February 12th 2022.

22,867 new cases for Australia and 62 deaths so the CMR is 0.158%.

NZ recorded 464 cases and 0 deaths for a CMR of 0.268%.

The UK recorded 45,500 cases and 167 deaths yesterday for a CMR of 0.873%.

176,501 new cases in the USA yesterday and 2,257 deaths sees CMR at 1.189%.

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Global cases pass 410M;
Europe passes 143M cases;
North America passes 93M cases;
Italy passes 12M cases;

Brunei (1,125);
Belarus (8,783);
Vietnam (27,311); and
South Korea (54,918)

... all recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while Iraq drops below.

[russellw]

Global 13/2/22 (figures up to 12/2/22)
During the last 14 days, global CMR's have mostly been dropping (finally) with the global average now at 1.424% compared to 1.522% in the previous period and 2.314% a year ago today.

Case number have started to taper off with 38.2M in the last 15 days compared to 46.1M in the previous period with 152,341 deaths in the last 14 days for a higher CMR of 0.399% on an unadjusted basis. That's 11.7% more than the 136,340 in the previous period which is more than the 9.3% rise in cases although the adjusted CMR based on the previous period case numbers is not so healthy at 0.330% but that's far from an exact science.

Note that 'adjusted' CMR uses the case numbers from between 16 and 30 days ago and the mortalities from the last 14 days

Overall the increase in cases numbers was 9.6% but the variance in the number of deaths only 2.6% so that's a positive sign.

Countries (with <100k cases) that were above 10% growth rate are headed by South Korea (+37.3%); Réunion (+29.7%);Denmark (+26.4%);Japan (+33.5%); Norway (+26.7%);Latvia & Netherlands (+25.2%); Estonia (+21.5%); Germany (+21.3%): Bahrain (+21.0%); Georgia (+20.4%); Austria (+19.9%); Slovakia (+19.5%); Israel (+18.7%); Chile & Slovenia (+18.4%); Martinique (+18.2%); Lithuania (+17.8%); Jordan (+17.5%); Finland & Russia (+16.6%); Portugal (+16.4%); Switzerland (+16.0%); Maldives (+15.7%); Uruguay (+15.4%); Italy (+14.7%); Romania (+14.6%); Palestine (+13.8%); Sweden (+13.6%); France (+13.0%); Cyprus (+12.8%); Australia (+12.3%); Czechia (+12.2%); Guadeloupe (+11.9%); Azerbaijan (+11.8%); Greece (+11.7%); Luxembourg (+11.5%); Hungary (+11.1%); Turkey (+10.9%); Kuwait (+10.8%); Belgium & Ukraine (+10.7%); Vietnam (+10.5%); Lebanon & Belarus (+10.3%); UK (+10.2%); plus Libya & Serbia (+10.1%).

Very few countries saw their mortalities increase by much with only Finland (+10.5%), South Korea (+11.1%), Réunion (+11.5%) and Australia (+20.1%) having double digit growth amongst countries with >100k cases.

[russellw]

Australia
NSW records 6,686 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 0.9481 from 0.9733) while the actual line drops below the predictive trend line, albeit only just.



VIC records 7,223 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 0.9589 (from 0.9425) while the actual line remains about level with the predictive trend.


The NT (1,425) set a new daily record on 12/2.

Here is the predictive trend graph for three States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st.

[GTMOND]

Originally Posted by tweeked

I am sorry you think it makes no sense, because it is actually really simple. If you had your way and we just said” get vaxxed if you want, no probs and all is good if you don’t”, do you think we would have even reached 50%. No chance. Even at 95odd% we have been on a knifes edge in hospitals. 5% of the people accounted for 50% in hospital. So in the world you wish for, rather than 1000 in Vic and 2500 in NSW hospitals, it would have been BEST CASE 5 times more in hospital. 5000 and 12500. Right there you have a collapse and the death rate rockets as we start deciding only certain people get in, and thousands can’t.

Hope this helps.

We are at very high levels of vaccination, so why do we have to be so so discriminatory towards the unvaccinated. If they had confidence in the vaccine they wouldn't worry about the small percentage that aren't vaccinated.
I'm not disputing that the vaccine may have some benefit for elderly immune compromised people.
Also they don't seem to make any noise about the 20,000+ people who die of smoking related deaths, or the 16,000 odd deaths from diabetes related deaths each year. How many of these mostly preventable deaths are taking up ER beds.
As I have said, I just have concerns of the rapidly changing posts. For instance, not mixing the RMNA vaccines with Astrazeneca, but now you can have two shots of Astrazeneca and now a RMNA booster
. Anyway at the end of the day, I'm just over the division this has caused, as I said I couldn't give a toss if I was in a cafe full of unvaccinated people. God forbid if we go to war, I seriously have concern for the panic that would cause. We would have more to worry about than running out of toilet paper I fear.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Itsme

Downright criminal if they are confined to their rooms 24/7, surely they should be allowed out occasionally to walk or sit outside amongst gardens for fresh air and wellbeing.
Hope your grandparents do well in these crazy times.

I can assure you that if they are confined then it would be 24/7 and you're right, it is criminal.
My Wife works in aged care and the stories she brings home is depressing.
One couple she said we're the most outgoing social type that would attend every lifestyle activity before the facility put them into lockdown. They didnt have Covid but we're living in the wing that had an outbreak.
37 days he said they did upon release, he'd marked every day on a sheet of paper like you'd see scratched on a cell wall in a prison movie.
Its got to have a negative impact on their mental health no matter how resiliant.
Some of these people have lived through World wars and seen some terrible things in their time, the choice should be theirs if they hide from the virus or roll the dice but unfortunately image seems to be the driving force for management of these places and none of them want to be in the news for the wrong reasons.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I can assure you that if they are confined then it would be 24/7 and you're right, it is criminal.
My Wife works in aged care and the stories she brings home is depressing.
One couple she said we're the most outgoing social type that would attend every lifestyle activity before the facility put them into lockdown. They didnt have Covid but we're living in the wing that had an outbreak.
37 days he said they did upon release, he'd marked every day on a sheet of paper like you'd see scratched on a cell wall in a prison movie.
Its got to have a negative impact on their mental health no matter how resiliant.
Some of these people have lived through World wars and seen some terrible things in their time, the choice should be theirs if they hide from the virus or roll the dice but unfortunately image seems to be the driving force for management of these places and none of them want to be in the news for the wrong reasons.

How many chances do they get before it becomes criminal?!?

My cousin worked in Regis throughout the pandemic. About 8 months ago? she quit. Couldn't handle the mental anguish. She is now working in the palliative care unit, apparently its "better".

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

How many chances do they get before it becomes criminal?!?

My cousin worked in Regis throughout the pandemic. About 8 months ago? she quit. Couldn't handle the mental anguish. She is now working in the palliative care unit, apparently its "better".

If you mean criminal by the facilitylies actions it wont, ever, as their angle is that they're 'saving' the vulnerable of the community from themselves.

[slowsnake]

Old saying, ya damned if you do, and your damned if ya dont!

But some are more damned than others!

[ford71V8]

FIL is in Regis.
Wife hasnt seen him for way too long. Dementia phonecalls dont help.

[russellw]

Australia
NSW records 6,184 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 0.9537 from 0.9481) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend line.



VIC records 7,104 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 0.9648 (from 0.9589) while the actual line remains about level with the predictive trend.


No states set a new daily record on 13/2.

Here is the predictive trend graph for three States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT February 13th 2022.

23,681 new cases for Australia and 49 deaths so the CMR is 0.158%.

NZ didn’t report for a CMR of 0.268%.

The UK recorded 40,844 cases and 52 deaths yesterday for a CMR of 0.872%.

59,579 new cases in the USA yesterday and 873 deaths sees CMR at 1.189%.

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Global cases pass 412M;
Europe passes 144M cases;
Asia passes 108M cases;
South America passes 52M cases;
Russia passes 14M cases;

Hong Kong (1,347);
Belarus (8,921); and
South Korea (56,425)

... all recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while Montenegro, Ivory Coast, Senegal, Qatar and India drop below.

[T3rminator]

Home Affairs admits pandemic brief fault

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/austr...ult/ar-AATOax6

Australia politics news live updates: parliament marks anniversary of the…
NSW nurses, paramedics industrial action

The head of the home affairs department has admitted it was a mistake to not show the minister a written pandemic management submission two years before the onset of COVID-19.

..........

Senator Keneally then chastised the secretary for failures in the system that lead to the Ruby Princess outbreak, 40,000 Australians stranded overseas, including hundreds of unaccompanied children, the Delta outbreak stemming from the quarantine transport system and no digital passenger cards that resulted in the Novak Djokovic visa saga.

"Are you seriously contending that we haven't experienced significant stresses that this stress test in fact predicted would happen?" she said.

[CoupeKing]

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

It's amazing just how far the rich and "powerful" go to be treated differently to me and you, the man on the street, the rank and file!
My trusty West Australian newspaper reported by Tim Clarke, well he tells me how business tycoon Neville Power who travelled to WA from Queensland without proper paperwork last October, in a helicopter, with its locator beacon puposely turned off part of the way.

He has pleaded guilty, hoping to stay out of jail, his excuse was flabbergasting, he claims to suffer from " cognitive distortions" when under stress

Poor Neville, he had his son with him too, does he suffer the same condition as daddy?

His barrister said Powers was " dripping with remorse" insight, and acceptance of responsibility!.....yikes, what a maggot!

Nev Power will be dealt with accordingly by the law and will fess up to his mistakes but to call the man a maggot is totally wrong of you.
I personally known this man when working at Smorgon Steel who certainly does not fit the description you make of him,
Actually his background from a tradie to CEO is quite interesting and he earned a lot of respect from fellow employees and his peers in the day.