Covid 19 -

[russellw]

Originally Posted by Itsme

It appears Leesa is not a member of this forum anymore, am I correct with my assumption.

Only if she decided to leave.

[russellw]

Australia
NSW records 7,615 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 0.9828 from 1.0068) while the actual line falls further below the predictive trend line.


VIC records 6,280 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 0.9598 (from 0.9705) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend.




WA (202) set a new daily record on 18/2.

Here is the predictive trend graph for three States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT February 18th 2022.

25,624 new cases for Australia and 37 deaths so the CMR is 0.162%.

NZ recorded 1,885 cases and 0 deaths for a CMR of 0.197%.

The UK recorded 47,147 cases and 158 deaths yesterday for a CMR of 0.865%.

102,237 new cases in the USA yesterday and 2,894 deaths sees CMR at 1.197%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 421M;
Global deaths finally drop below the 90th percentile for the 10 day period;
Europe passes 149M cases;
South America passes 53M cases;
USA passes 80M cases;
Brazil passes 28M cases;
Russia passes 15M cases;
Netherlands passes 6M cases;

Bhutan (527);
New Zealand (1,885);
Singapore (18,094);
Vietnam (42,439 – the 5th consecutive day; and
South Korea (109,828)

... all recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while none drop below.

[arm79]

Originally Posted by Itsme

It appears Leesa is not a member of this forum anymore, am I correct with my assumption.

News to me until your post prompted me to go looking. But yeah, it appears to be a self imposed departure.

Spewing though. Because now I will never get my question answered!

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by arm79

News to me until your post prompted me to go looking. But yeah, it appears to be a self imposed departure.

Spewing though. Because now I will never get my question answered!

I would say for sure Leesa requested her profile to be deleted, shame really as she did have some good posts and certainly was very outspoken with some other of her posts, I will miss her contributions to the forum debates.

[Yellow_Festiva]

I'm wondering what numbers will look like in a month?

Nationally it seems to be in the mid 20's, with NSW hovering between 7-10k cases.

Much like the flu I'm sure there will soon be statistics available on if a certain month was better or worse than others, or entire years for that matter.

Ongoing infections should slowly bring numbers down, as is the vaccination rates.

Only spanner in the works will be a new strain.

I look forward to the time when getting the Covid jab will be a yearly event that is included in the flu shot.

I'm finally heading overseas early next month. The hoops one must jump through at the moment is off putting to many, not to mention the costs and the poor connections for air travel at the moment.

I'm already planning another trip in April and early indications are flight costs will near half and more direct flights and faster connections are mostly back.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by arm79

The booster shot requirement is for eligible people is for domestic arrivals only.

International arrivals only have to meet current federal requirements, so double jabbed.

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I dare say the technicality lies in what is required to enter the state domestically vs what is required to freely travel the state unrestricted. At this point international arrivals can enter but face restrictions if they are not boosted "when they should be".

Was thinking about the last point, safe to assume the WA covid safe rules will apply the same for both overseas and locals, regardless on number of jabs one has had. My nephew and niece (and I suppose my sister and BIL also ) have booked a trip here in July. WA was where we were thinking of going for a holiday.

So potentially, they can come in as "tourists" but may not be able to do "touristy" stuff whilst in WA.

And to make things a bit more complicated, they are citizens, but live and work in the US. They will fly into Melb, and we will all fly to WA. Are they then counted as locals or overseas tourists? The notice states "international" vs "interstate" arrivals. So if a tourist from Spain enters Melb, then drives to WA, are they international or interstate arrivals? Will they need 2 or 3 jabs?

Freaken heck...makes it all too hard and risky. Mr 91% needs a rethink.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Was thinking about the last point, safe to assume the WA covid safe rules will apply the same for both overseas and locals, regardless on number of jabs one has had. My nephew and niece (and I suppose my sister and BIL also ) have booked a trip here in July. WA was where we were thinking of going for a holiday.

So potentially, they can come in as "tourists" but may not be able to do "touristy" stuff whilst in WA.

And to make things a bit more complicated, they are citizens, but live and work in the US. They will fly into Melb, and we will all fly to WA. Are they then counted as locals or overseas tourists? The notice states "international" vs "interstate" arrivals. So if a tourist from Spain enters Melb, then drives to WA, are they international or interstate arrivals? Will they need 2 or 3 jabs?

Freaken heck...makes it all too hard and risky. Mr 91% needs a rethink.

The way I read WA opening up is you will still not get in WA as a tourist atm going by their guidelines.

What you need to know as an approved interstate traveller
There are a few requirements for approved interstate travellers to enter WA, including:

people with direct legitimate family connections who enter WA to reconnect with their family (applies to a relationship akin to a direct relative, including an adopted family situation (child-parent relationship))
people with direct legitimate family connections in other jurisdictions who travel to reconnect with their family and then return to WA (applies a relationship akin to a direct relative, including an adopted family situation (child-parent relationship))
people who, within the last two years, had their ordinary place of residence in WA and are returning to permanently reside in WA
direct member of the family of an approved traveller
people entering for urgent and essential medical treatment
reasons of national and state security
Commonwealth and State officials, Members of Parliament and diplomats
provision of specialist skills not available or in limited supply in WA (e.g. including health and emergency service workers)
people required to attend court matters, judicial officers and staff of court, tribunals and commissions
special considerations and extraordinary circumstances determined by the State Emergency Coordinator or the Chief Health Officer.
https://www.wa.gov.au/government/cov...irus-travel-wa

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Itsme

The way I read WA opening up is you will still not get in WA as a tourist atm going by their guidelines.

They are coming in July. So these guidelines won't apply post 3 March?

Anyways, think I'll worry about it later. There are other options I suppose.

Was really keen to see WA. A mate of mine started a bus tour business there just before the pandemic , but he is ready to go again, so was looking forward to getting a private tour.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by Itsme

The way I read WA opening up is you will still not get in WA as a tourist atm going by their guidelines.

This is all i need, hopefully he doesn't change his mind....

people with direct legitimate family connections who enter WA to reconnect with their family (applies to a relationship akin to a direct relative, including an adopted family situation (child-parent relationship))

[T3rminator]

Clicked on the link just now and it states that those are the rules from 3 March. .

[arm79]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Was thinking about the last point, safe to assume the WA covid safe rules will apply the same for both overseas and locals, regardless on number of jabs one has had. My nephew and niece (and I suppose my sister and BIL also ) have booked a trip here in July. WA was where we were thinking of going for a holiday.

So potentially, they can come in as "tourists" but may not be able to do "touristy" stuff whilst in WA.

And to make things a bit more complicated, they are citizens, but live and work in the US. They will fly into Melb, and we will all fly to WA. Are they then counted as locals or overseas tourists? The notice states "international" vs "interstate" arrivals. So if a tourist from Spain enters Melb, then drives to WA, are they international or interstate arrivals? Will they need 2 or 3 jabs?

Freaken heck...makes it all too hard and risky. Mr 91% needs a rethink.

I spoke to my sister before making these last couple of posts for clarification.

Seems McClown has taken a strict interpretation of the new ATAGI "up to date" and "not up to date" guidelines.

Right now in WA you are considered fully vaccinated (i know fully vaccinated is not the kosher term now, but makes it easier for this example) and free from restrictions if

1. Had all 3 jabs
2. Only had 2 jabs but are not yet eligible or required to have the 3rd jab

I believe in WA you become eligible for your booster 4 months after your second jab and you must have it within the month following that date. If you fail to have it by the end of that 4th month you are now considered unvaccinated and for purposes of internal restrictions you are have your freedoms stripped and non vaccinated restrictions apply.

So my understanding to be able to travel to WA domestically you must meet either one of the 2 vaccination status conditions.

I expect if they fly into Melbourne then you all fly onto WA they would be, as you, considered domestic travellers and subject to the requirements of the above conditions to enter the state.

But if they fly direct to WA they will be allowed into the state but if they don't meet either vaccination condition then they their access and travel will be restricted as if they were unvaccinated. Pretty sh*tty holiday.

In my sisters case she had her booster mid January, which was roughly 5 months from her last jab, which was the advice at the time. She's now considered fully vaccinated and restriction free. But if she failed to get the booster she'd be facing restrictions.

But I suppose that could possibly all change between now and when your family visit.

Incidentally Dad and I flew to Melbourne last weekend for my cousin's wedding and to see some friends. When Uncle Dad was making noise about requiring boosters Dad and I both got them in case.

Turns out it was a complete waste of time and worry...

Our vaccination status was not checked for the entire trip. Not at the airport in Qld or Melb or getting on either flight. Not even at the wedding, which packed about 135 people in a small "chapel" and then into the reception tent. No masks, spacing or density limits at the wedding. After expecting the draconian worst at both ends it was surprisingly and happily just like any other trip.

[arm79]

Originally Posted by Itsme

The way I read WA opening up is you will still not get in WA as a tourist atm going by their guidelines.

Originally Posted by DJR-351

This is all i need, hopefully he doesn't change his mind....

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Clicked on the link just now and it states that those are the rules from 3 March. .

I'm pretty sure they are all current rules. Rules stemming from when he changed his mind in January. But not rules from opening on the 3rd of March.

He had to provide entry for residents that were currently locked out of the state and for compassionate entry.

The site is a little confusing. But the actual page you're looking for is:

https://www.wa.gov.au/government/ann...y-3-march-2022

Sister also told me today his internal approval rating has dropped 30%. All of it since his last backflip.

She thinks he won't renege on this one because he will loose all popularity and people will be looking for his head on a stick.

[russellw]

Australia
NSW records 5,582 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 0.9579 from 0.9828) while the actual line falls further below the predictive trend line.



VIC records 4,867 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 0.9425 (from 0.9598) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend.



WA (262) set a new daily record on 19/2.

Here is the predictive trend graph for three States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT February 19th 2022.

21,744 new cases for Australia and 46 deaths so the CMR is 0.162%. The country passes 3M cases in total.

NZ recorded 1,816 cases and 0 deaths for a CMR of 0.197%.

The UK recorded 34,011 cases and 128 deaths yesterday for a CMR of 0.864%.

112,869 new cases in the USA yesterday and 2,174 deaths sees CMR at 1.198%.

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Global cases pass 423M;
Europe passes 150M cases;
Asia passes 111M cases;
North America passes 94M cases;

Latvia (11,992);
Singapore (24,836); and
Malaysia (28,825);

... all recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while Argentina, Malta, Saudi Arabia and the Dominican Republic drop below.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by arm79

I'm pretty sure they are all current rules. Rules stemming from when he changed his mind in January. But not rules from opening on the 3rd of March.

He had to provide entry for residents that were currently locked out of the state and for compassionate entry.

The site is a little confusing. But the actual page you're looking for is:

https://www.wa.gov.au/government/ann...y-3-march-2022

Sister also told me today his internal approval rating has dropped 30%. All of it since his last backflip.

She thinks he won't renege on this one because he will loose all popularity and people will be looking for his head on a stick.

Read the link I provided to terminator as it is clear in stating from 3rd of March; not current rules.
Don't underestimate McGowan when he releases press statements and pay attention what he states.

[arm79]

Originally Posted by Itsme

Read the link I provided to terminator as it is clear in stating from 3rd of March; not current rules.

I read the link. I read it again and you're still wrong sorry. They are the old rules.

Like I said, the page you linked is poorly presented.



The "WA’s border will open from 12.01am Thursday 3 March 2022" is not a title, its a link as I circled. The link takes you here...

To the page titled and published a couple of days ago.

WA’s border opening from Thursday 3 March 2022

https://www.wa.gov.au/government/ann...y-3-march-2022



Link, not title, circled in red on the left and publish date in January on the right. Even the info in the page gives dates from 5/2 where he slightly loosened border allowing the exceptions you've posted.

And if that doesn't do it for you, compare the "Safe Transition Plan" documents for the 5/2 to the new one on 3/3.

Then:

Plan: A new hard border will be introduced from Saturday 5 February, 2022, to allow for more safe, compassionate travel into WA and the return of Western Australians.

https://www.wa.gov.au/government/pub...ransition-plan

New:

Decision: WA’s Safe Transition Plan allows for safe travel into WA from interstate and overseas.

https://www.wa.gov.au/government/pub...n-plan-summary

Originally Posted by Itsme

Don't underestimate McGowan when he releases press statements and pay attention what he states.

I listen and pay very close attention given how important this decision is to our family.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by PG2

Leesa

Actually, come to think of it, don't be surprised if Russ comes along and hands out a ban anyway. He does not tolerate this sort of thing one bit.

Good work.

Was getting sick of discussions off topic steered incessantly towards women's health issues.

Thought i was on the ABC falling asleep in the first 2 minutes of the first quarter of a WAFL final...

[russellw]

We're about to experience the vagaries of International travel and the various government stupidities.

As of today, the UK has dropped the requirement for a 2-day test on arrival so all that is required is to fill in the (electronic) passenger locator form within 72 hours of departure. Simple.

Coming back is not simple. The current requirement is for a negative PCR test within 72 hours of departure or a negative RAT within 24 hours of departure plus completion of a digital passenger declaration inside 72 hours of departure (but only after you have your test result). Then when you get to Australia, you have to abide by the rules applicable in your State which in Victoria means another PCR or RAT within 24 hours of landing and quarantine at home until you get a negative test.

Basically because the two levels of government don't cooperate, you effectively could end up having to complete two tests (at your own expense) in a little over 24 hours!

[russellw]

Australia
NSW records 4,916 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 0.9576 from 0.9579) while the actual line falls further below the predictive trend line.



VIC records 5,611 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 0.9671 (from 0.9425) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend.



No states set a new daily record on 20/2.

Here is the predictive trend graph for three States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT February 20th 2022.

17,397 new cases for Australia and 33 deaths so the CMR is 0.162%.

NZ recorded 2,336 cases and 0 deaths for a CMR of 0.170%.

The UK recorded 25,356 cases and 74 deaths yesterday for a CMR of 0.863%.

45,008 new cases in the USA yesterday and 749 deaths sees CMR at 1.198%.

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Global cases pass 424M;
Global deaths pass 5.9M, the last 50k in 5 days;
North America drops below the 90th percentile over the 10-day period;
Asia passes 112M cases;

Faeroe Islands (1,473);
New Zealand (2,336);
Brunei (2,466); and
Vietnam (47,200)

... all recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while Panama, Afghanistan and Bangladesh drop below.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by arm79

I read the link. I read it again and you're still wrong sorry. They are the old rules.

Like I said, the page you linked is poorly presented.

image

The "WA’s border will open from 12.01am Thursday 3 March 2022" is not a title, its a link as I circled. The link takes you here...

To the page titled and published a couple of days ago.



https://www.wa.gov.au/government/ann...y-3-march-2022

image

Link, not title, circled in red on the left and publish date in January on the right. Even the info in the page gives dates from 5/2 where he slightly loosened border allowing the exceptions you've posted.

And if that doesn't do it for you, compare the "Safe Transition Plan" documents for the 5/2 to the new one on 3/3.

Then:



https://www.wa.gov.au/government/pub...ransition-plan

New:



https://www.wa.gov.au/government/pub...n-plan-summary



I listen and pay very close attention given how important this decision is to our family.

I had read the website again and see what you mean being confusing with the dates something I overlooked, don't mind being corrected for accuracy.
Hopefully the govco site will be updated for clarification.
Cheers.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT February 21st 2022.

17,483 new cases for Australia and 16 deaths so the CMR is 0.162%.

NZ recorded 2,230 cases and 0 deaths for a CMR of 0.159% - back below Australia.

The UK recorded 48,820 cases and 29 deaths yesterday for a CMR of 0.861%.

43,897 new cases in the USA yesterday and 721 deaths sees CMR at 1.198%.

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Global cases pass 426M;
Europe passes 151M cases;
South Korea passes 2M cases;

Brunei (2,819); and
Hong Kong (7,553)

... all recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while Paraguay and Uzbekistan drop below.

[russellw]

Australia
NSW records 8,752 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.0442 from 0.9576) while the actual line falls further below the predictive trend line.



VIC records 6,786 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.0033 (from 0.9671) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend.



No states set a new daily record on 21/2.

Here is the predictive trend graph for three States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st.



As it was the end of our week yesterday, here are the weekly case numbers with NSW having 9,437 more cases then Victoria last week although Victoria recorded 10,404 less cases than the previous week while NSW recorded 2,080 less and Queensland 1,783 less.

[arm79]

Mask requirements have essentially been dropped for the public at large in Victoria from this Friday 25/2 and in Queensland from next Friday 4/3.

https://www.news.com.au/national/vic...12f51b032d889f

https://www.news.com.au/national/que...a4e35faf89f047

There are still requirements in at risk venues and situations such as public transport, taxis, planes, airports hospitals and aged and disability care, etc, etc.

However, if I read this correctly, Victoria will still require workers in hospitality, retail and the like to wear masks while working, while the people they are serving aren't required.

Then this gem in Victoria...

Students in year 3 or above at primary school, and workers at early childhood centres and primary schools (masks can be removed in secondary school)

Weird.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by arm79

Mask requirements have essentially been dropped for the public at large in Victoria from this Friday 25/2 and in Queensland from next Friday 4/3.

https://www.news.com.au/national/vic...12f51b032d889f

https://www.news.com.au/national/que...a4e35faf89f047

There are still requirements in at risk venues and situations such as public transport, taxis, planes, airports hospitals and aged and disability care, etc, etc.

However, if I read this correctly, Victoria will still require workers in hospitality, retail and the like to wear masks while working, while the people they are serving aren't required.

Then this gem in Victoria...



Weird.

Well "we" got what we wanted, pollies calling the shots on health orders, and now with very little explanation from the CHO, who seems to have been sidelined.

I'm curious to know why we have to wait until Friday though. Why not today? Whats the added risk? Its not like we have to give time for shops and facilities to prepare. The shops I've been to today, well only about 20% of the customers were wearing masks anyway.

I see our news sites have stopped reporting on covid numbers altogether. Pandemic ended?

Interesting to hear Dr Norman Swan's segment yesterday. Basically saying we need to remember history. The 1918 pandemic caused more devastation in the 2nd global wave. It feels like Omnicron might be drawing the first global wave to an "end".....will history repeat itself? England has abolished all isolation requirements, even for those infected.

[ford71V8]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

.......
I'm curious to know why we have to wait until Friday though. Why not today? Whats the added risk? Its not like we have to give time for shops and facilities to prepare. The shops I've been to today, well only about 20% of the customers were wearing masks anyway.
..........

Freedom Friday rolls off the tongue much nicer for the talking heads.

Everyone loves a catchy headline

[arm79]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Well "we" got what we wanted, pollies calling the shots on health orders, and now with very little explanation from the CHO, who seems to have been sidelined.

From the Herald Sun.

There has been confusion over why masks will be scrapped in most indoor settings but not for students in year 3 or above at primary school. Premier Daniel Andrews has explained the move.

Premier Daniel Andrews says the key decision to keep masks on students in grade 3 to 6 is because vaccination rates in that cohort are still too low.

Lots of very angry comments accusing Dan of trying to force vaccinations on young students.

Like these:

Poor kids. This is just Dan trying to force vaccines on little kids. What a clown this man is. No words bad enough to describe him.

Daniel Andrews and his Government are a complete joke (Grade 3 to Grade 6 students to wear masks but Secondary School Students and Adult worker’s except in required area’s do not have to wear masks 😷) why are you Daniel Andrews and cohorts punishing little Primary School Children. Daniel Andrews where is the Science that says Children in Grade 3 to Grade 6 have to wear masks show us the science.

Sutton seems to have been missing since he came out and said Dan didn't consult him when Dan was pitching the booster mandate. He's probably been locked in a closet somewhere deep in China.

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I'm curious to know why we have to wait until Friday though. Why not today?

Pfft. No complaining. I have to wait till Friday week.

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I see our news sites have stopped reporting on covid numbers altogether. Pandemic ended?

Numbers aren't scary anymore? Probably a waste of space now that they could be putting other things.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by russellw

Australia
NSW records 6,786 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.0042 from 0.9576) while the actual line falls further below the predictive trend line.

Hey Russ, I think you've accidentally replicated the Vic figure for NSW as well. I think NSW should be 8752.

[russellw]

Australia
NSW records 8,931 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.0645 from 1.0442) while the actual line falls further below the predictive trend line.



VIC records 6,926 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.0053 (from 1.0033) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend.



WA (263) set a new daily record on 22/2.

Here is the predictive trend graph for three States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st.