![]() |
|
Welcome to the Australian Ford Forums forum. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and inserts advertising. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features without post based advertising banners. Registration is simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today! If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us. Please Note: All new registrations go through a manual approval queue to keep spammers out. This is checked twice each day so there will be a delay before your registration is activated. |
|
The Bar For non Automotive Related Chat |
![]() |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
![]() |
#1861 | ||
WT GT
![]() Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: The GSS
Posts: 17,759
|
+1 for no legs up for Virgin - they've lost hundreds of millions in the good times and carry about $6b in accumulated debt. Let them go to the wall.
I'd support Singapore and/or Air New Zealand being given domestic route rights and they can soak up most of Virgin's infrastructure and staff much like Virgin did with Ansett. Australia can only support 1.5 airlines at best. |
||
![]() |
2 users like this post: |
![]() |
#1862 | |||
The Terrain Tamer
![]() ![]() Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 36,364
|
Quote:
![]()
__________________
Current Ride : A Ford owned D3... |
|||
![]() |
This user likes this post: |
![]() |
#1863 | |||
BOSS 5.4L Enthusiast
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 21,904
|
Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#1864 | ||
Donating Member
![]() Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 8,576
|
Wouldnt be to concerned about the US death rate going down Trump will have it going back up soon enough.
__________________
Be the man your dog thinks you are. |
||
![]() |
This user likes this post: |
![]() |
#1866 | |||
Guest
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 1,892
|
Quote:
Virgin will survive.. There's enough vultures circling to ensure that.. https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...17-p54kw6.html https://www.afr.com/companies/transp...0200417-p54kpr |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#1867 | ||
Ford screwed the Falcon
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 7,061
|
The new post COVID-19 mantra
Use up Wear out Make do Or do without
__________________
Falcon: 1960 - 2016 My cars Current ride 2016 FG X XR6 - 6 speed manual Previous rides 2009 FG XR6 - 6 speed auto 2006 BF MkII XT ESP - 6 speed auto 2003 BA XT V8 - 5 speed manual 1999 AU Forte - 5 speed manual 1997 EL Fairmont - 4 speed auto 1990 EAII Fairmont Ghia - 4 speed auto |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#1868 | |||
Thailand Specials
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Centrefold Lounge
Posts: 49,028
|
Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#1869 | ||
WT GT
![]() Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: The GSS
Posts: 17,759
|
|
||
![]() |
![]() |
#1870 | ||
DIY Tragic
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Sydney, more than not. I hate it.
Posts: 21,846
|
If there is a mandate on the tracking app, will there also be an AFF “Faraday Bag” fundraiser?
|
||
![]() |
This user likes this post: |
![]() |
#1871 | ||
DIY Tragic
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Sydney, more than not. I hate it.
Posts: 21,846
|
A friend sent through some Ukrainian health awareness adverts using classic artworks. Maybe they’re all over Faceache already, if so it’s why I’ve not seen them prior.
|
||
![]() |
![]() |
#1872 | |||
Moderator
![]() Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 7,940
|
Quote:
The foreign owned airlines, also employ thousands of Australians as well. ![]() |
|||
![]() |
2 users like this post: |
![]() |
#1873 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: NSW
Posts: 4,324
|
Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
This user likes this post: |
![]() |
#1874 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Ivory Tower
Posts: 5,414
|
Quote:
Where did I state the bail outs to Fraud and Government Motors was acceptable? I haven’t. GM in particular should be forced to pay back the billion odd in subsidies it received from you and me via out taxes. Virgin’s owners need to reach into their pockets if they want to survive. And while that SJW Joyce is at the helm Qantas they shouldn’t receive a cent either.
__________________
2021 BMW M550i in Black Sapphire Metallic.
11.52 @ 120mph stock |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#1875 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,142
|
Quote:
I have around $2500 in flights through Qantas for this month and May, and another $3k to the USA in November. The US ones still stand, Qantas sneakily tried to put my April and May flights into credit, despite me being allowed full refunds. Refund will take up to 6 weeks. I'd hate to see how much money they're bleeding. |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#1876 | |||
Moderator
![]() Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 7,940
|
Quote:
More Chinese ownership of not only Australian assets but also foreign owned. |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#1877 | |||
Rob
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Woodcroft S.A.
Posts: 21,504
|
Quote:
So if they were made to pay back the subsidies, should the govt hand back all the revenue they received through these companies? I think I know who would be better off, hence why subsidies were given. The govt certainly didn't lose out.
__________________
UA2 TREND 4WD BI TURBO |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#1878 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Ivory Tower
Posts: 5,414
|
What revenue is the government to hand back? Taxation revenue these companies should have paid in the first place? We certainly do know who was better off, GM and Ford, definitely not the tax payer.
__________________
2021 BMW M550i in Black Sapphire Metallic.
11.52 @ 120mph stock |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#1879 | ||
DIY Tragic
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Sydney, more than not. I hate it.
Posts: 21,846
|
Didn’t Mitsubishi get a fat hand-up not long before they bailed, too?
|
||
![]() |
![]() |
#1880 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 781
|
Quote:
"Etihad Airways (20.94%) Singapore Airlines (20.09%) Nanshan Group (19.98%) HNA Group (19.82%) Virgin Group (10.42%)" that totals 90.26%. (source Forbes go here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhor.../#7ad3363f3ffc) HNA is a Chinese conglomerate and Nanshan also a privately owned Chinese conglomerate. I guess the reason Virgin is listed on the ASX is the remaining 9.74% is owned by Australian interests. So basically already overseas owned and so the assets are not Australian, and many of the aircraft may be leased or be on time payment arrangements with Boeing (I do not think they have any other manufacturer's aircraft), there's a happy arrangement at the moment. SFAIK Virgin does not own any Real Estate in Australia but leases airport space at the various terminals. I'm happy to be corrected on this. And so, back to the Pandemic Cheers
__________________
AlanD ![]() Our Drive: Mondeo MD TDCi Titanium Wagon Ruby Red |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#1881 | ||
Thailand Specials
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Centrefold Lounge
Posts: 49,028
|
I'd rather than handing out cash that they made registration free for the first 3 years, no FBT and no GST on purchase of new Australian manufactured vehicles, subsidise that way through tax breaks and incentives for buyers rather than hand out bazillions of spondoolies to the manufacturers.
Maybe more people would have been buying Australian cars with these discounts. |
||
![]() |
This user likes this post: |
![]() |
#1882 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 781
|
On the question of bailouts of foreign owned businesses operating in Australia who ask for Government assistance in times of trouble.
I have been heard to say, but not here, that any use of Taxpayer funds for this purpose should only be considered if the company concerned is willing to provide the government with a quantity of the comapney's shares to the value of the level of funding being asked for. If they went to the share-holders or the market for a capital injection they would have to do that. Then, if the company chose to fold its tent in this country, the government could sell the shares and recoup some of the capital provided. Provided of course that the company shares were still viable overseas. If the company was bankrupt then the taxpayer loses, but this would be no different to what has happened with many of the assistance grants that have been provided in the past. BTW the return to Govco from such companies activities is mostly from us, the taxpayer, in the various taxes and charges levied by Govco on the products being sold here. And again: back to the pandemic Cheers Cheers
__________________
AlanD ![]() Our Drive: Mondeo MD TDCi Titanium Wagon Ruby Red |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#1883 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 781
|
Quote:
Canada has an area about 1.3 times ours and a population about 1.5 times ours Their major population areas are centred around the bit of Ontario bordering Lake Erie and the northern border of Lake Ontario and the St Lawrence seaway - roughly equivalent to the Melbourne/Sydney/Brisbane corridor. Currently they have 32,000+ confirmed cases and 1350+ deaths. (Source Johns-Hopkins) I think we are doing pretty well considering the effect of the Diamond Princesss on our death count. I believe we could have gotten to the current place quicker but only with far more stringent lockdown measures, a quite large effect on the economy (whether bigger than what is happening currently might be debatable) and urinating off our trading partners with absolute rejection of the entry of foreign nationals for the duration and perhaps beyond. Is 67 deaths (currently) acceptable? Absolutely not, but I can't see any reasonable alternative to what is currently being done. At least we have not gotten to the stage that our health care systems have gone beyond capacity, but the staff (cheers to them) must be getting shell shocked by now. I don't plan on doing anything that might make the situation worse. And since that's the plan I don't need to go looking for flaws/inconsistencies in the lockdown rules. Cheers
__________________
AlanD ![]() Our Drive: Mondeo MD TDCi Titanium Wagon Ruby Red Last edited by AlanD; 18-04-2020 at 11:36 PM. Reason: Extra sentense. |
|||
![]() |
3 users like this post: |
![]() |
#1884 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,318
|
|
||
![]() |
![]() |
#1885 | |||
Former BTIKD
![]() Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Sunny Downtown Wagga Wagga. NSW.
Posts: 53,197
|
Quote:
__________________
Dying at your job is natures way of saying that you're in the wrong line of work.
|
|||
![]() |
2 users like this post: |
![]() |
#1886 | |||
Thailand Specials
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Centrefold Lounge
Posts: 49,028
|
Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#1887 | |||
Thailand Specials
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Centrefold Lounge
Posts: 49,028
|
Quote:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-out-of-china Good to see everyone hurting them where it hurts the most - their hip pocket. |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#1888 | |||
Former BTIKD
![]() Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Sunny Downtown Wagga Wagga. NSW.
Posts: 53,197
|
Quote:
Journalistic license perhaps ![]()
__________________
Dying at your job is natures way of saying that you're in the wrong line of work.
|
|||
![]() |
2 users like this post: |
![]() |
#1889 | |||
Thailand Specials
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Centrefold Lounge
Posts: 49,028
|
Quote:
https://iview.abc.net.au/show/holden...nd-of-the-road Lets see how it evolves, it would be a great idea to cut out China from everything future infrastructure. |
|||
![]() |
This user likes this post: |
![]() |
#1890 | ||
Banned
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,811
|
|
||
![]() |