Covid 19 -

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

You’re certain you never had a mild, asymptomatic case?

Pretty sure. I had a bad cold in January 2020 that could possibly have been it, but we’ll never know now.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT July 2nd 2022.

32,689 new cases for Australia and 54 deaths so the CMR is 0.122% (-).

NZ reported 6,892 cases and 21 deaths for a CMR of 0.0110% (é).

The UK didn’t report for a CMR of 0.793% (-).

108,771 new cases in the USA yesterday and 469 deaths sees CMR at 1.166 (-).

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
None

No countries...recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and no countries drop below.

[russellw]

Global 03/07/22 (figures up to 02/07/22)

During the last 14 days, global CMR's have mostly been dropping with the global average now at 1.148% compared to 1.165% in the previous period and 2.171% a year ago today. Notably; Australia, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, New Zealand, Norway, Thailand and Taiwan all saw CMR rise.

Case numbers increase with 9.947M in this period compared to 8.943M in the previous period with 20,742 deaths in the last period for a higher CMR of 0.227% on an unadjusted basis. It should be noted that a number of countries (mostly in Africa) haven’t reported in this period.

Overall the increase in cases numbers was 1.8% and the variance in the number of deaths only 0.33%.

Countries (with >100k cases) that were above 5% growth rate are Taiwan (+15.5%), Malta (+6.6%), Singapore (+6.6%) andNew Zealand (+6.1%).

Very few countries saw their mortalities increase by much with Taiwan (+26.5%); Iceland (+14.5%), New Zealand (+11.4%) and Australia (+6.5%) the only significant growth amongst countries with >100k cases.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

I see in/on the news there's consideration from all states to reintroduce the mandatory wearing of masks. Apparently queensland is closest to doing this.

I wonder how this would go down with the general public?

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...10c24d7a113c59

Vic state election in Nov. Can't see mask mandates coming back here in general non high risk settings. It'll be a very hard sell. Maybe if hospitals become completely overwhelmed and the political fallout can't be managed.

Masks doesn't stop the wearer from getting it, it goes some way to stop the transmission. And if that many people are spreading it without knowing, they'd have to start limiting capacities again. Can't see it.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Masks doesn't stop the wearer from getting it, it goes some way to stop the transmission. .

“COVID 19 virus particle size is 60-125 nanometers (0.06 to 0.125 microns);


An N95 mask filters down to 0.300 microns.

So, N95 masks block few, if any, virions (virus particles).”

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by zilo

“COVID 19 virus particle size is 60-125 nanometers (0.06 to 0.125 microns);


An N95 mask filters down to 0.300 microns.

So, N95 masks block few, if any, virions (virus particles).”

The virus is normally piggy backing on something. Coughing doesn't just put out a naked virus particle. The mask will capture the vehicle the virus is traveling on most of the time, so while not perfect, to say that they are ineffective is only true in rarer scenarios.

Globs of phlegm coughed into a hand and then transferred on to hand rails, sneezes blasting out aerosols of droplets with virus, that is where it is at.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by russellw

Global 03/07/22 (figures up to 02/07/22)

During the last 14 days, global CMR's have mostly been dropping with the global average now at 1.148% compared to 1.165% in the previous period and 2.171% a year ago today. Notably; Australia, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, New Zealand, Norway, Thailand and Taiwan all saw CMR rise.

Case numbers increase with 9.947M in this period compared to 8.943M in the previous period with 20,742 deaths in the last period for a higher CMR of 0.227% on an unadjusted basis. It should be noted that a number of countries (mostly in Africa) haven’t reported in this period.

Overall the increase in cases numbers was 1.8% and the variance in the number of deaths only 0.33%.

Countries (with >100k cases) that were above 5% growth rate are Taiwan (+15.5%), Malta (+6.6%), Singapore (+6.6%) andNew Zealand (+6.1%).

Very few countries saw their mortalities increase by much with Taiwan (+26.5%); Iceland (+14.5%), New Zealand (+11.4%) and Australia (+6.5%) the only significant growth amongst countries with >100k cases.

Theyre still announcing on the radio the death rate in NZ that its (people that died with covid)not because of covid and the death statistics they state these people died over the last 3 days or last week its not a daily figure any more ?

Im in Tauranga which is the 4th biggest city and i still havent heard of anyone dying? .....dont see how you can trust these figures stated to be accurate

[tweeked]

But having said that, in my opinion, masks should now just be a personal choice. Everyone has has the ability to learn their value, wear them if you want. Protect yourself if you see the value. We will lose the added double protection of both wearing, but we cant wear them forever. It is all a failing bandaid for a failing health system.

Hospital ramping needs to be addressed, the money needs to be not thrown at more ambulances, but at not having them all queued up waiting to offload their patients.

I have only had limited experience with emergency departments, but every time I have left astounded. Waiting in a room for hours on end with only a dribble of patients being seen, but when you are you see a doctor for 5 minutes. If it is just a lack of beds it can be easily fixed. And don't start me on people turning up at emergency because they have a sniffle.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

I’ve never stopped wearing a mask in public places and transportation and still haven’t caught the plague. I’d say there is a link.

I've eased off wearing one as I used to in shopping centres and crowds BUT with you the plague hasn't got me or the wife.......
Caught my first domestic flight last week, noticed in the airport (Sydney) half weren't wearing one, obviously on the flight all have to which is fine by me.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by tweeked

Globs of phlegm coughed into a hand and then transferred on to hand rails, sneezes blasting out aerosols of droplets with virus, that is where it is at.

Yep, that's the idea. Would much rather someone sick be coughing and splattering into their mask than out in the open. Would possibly decrease the viral load too if someone was to get infected.

Haven't worn one since mandates were lifted. Been to a few crowded events, but mainly outdoors though. Haven't so much caught a sniffle *touch wood*, so reading the number of cases and deaths, it is very surprising. Haven't heard of many friends catching it either now, whereas during wave 2, there were a lot of sick people.

[russellw]

Australia / New Zealand
NSW records 8,864 and 8,958 cases over the weekend for a 10-day average growth rate of 1.0081 (1.0235) and the actual line remains below the predictive trend line.



VIC records 8,368 and 7,317 cases over the weekend for a 10 day average growth of 1.0146 (0.9965) while the actual line remains slightly below the predictive trend.



Here is the predictive trend graph for four States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st.



New Zealand data goes back to January 15th and the actual line is back below the predictive trend line.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT July 3rd 2022.

30,282 new cases for Australia and 30 deaths so the CMR is 0.122% (-). Total deaths in Australia (whole of pandemic) have now passed 10,000.

NZ reported 5,174 cases and 11 deaths for a CMR of 0.0111% (é).

The UK didn’t report for a CMR of 0.793% (-).

16,648 new cases in the USA yesterday and 27 deaths sees CMR at 1.165 (ê).

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Global cases pass 554M;

No countries...recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and no countries drop below.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT July 4th 2022.

29,661 new cases for Australia and 26 deaths so the CMR is 0.122% (-).

NZ reported 6,871 cases and 7 deaths for a CMR of 0.0111% (-).

The UK didn’t report for a CMR of 0.793% (-).

30,273 new cases in the USA yesterday and 26 deaths sees CMR at 1.165 (-).

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Global cases pass 555M;
Europe passes 205M cases;

No countries...recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and no countries drop below.

[russellw]

Australia / New Zealand
NSW records 10,504 cases for a 10-day average growth rate of 1.0349 (1.0081) and the actual line remains below the predictive trend line.



VIC records 8,740 cases for a 10 day average growth of 1.0482 (1.0146) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend.



Here is the predictive trend graph for four States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st.



New Zealand data goes back to January 15th and the actual line is back below the predictive trend line.

[Ben73]

I swear everyone one is sick lately. Everywhere I go someone is coughing, sneezing, sniffling and who knows what else.
At least in 2020 and 2021 people would stay home when sick, even if it was just a common cold.
Today alone I have been in close proximity to at least 3 people who appear to be sick.
**** me dead how hard is it.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Ben73

I swear everyone one is sick lately. Everywhere I go someone is coughing, sneezing, sniffling and who knows what else.
At least in 2020 and 2021 people would stay home when sick, even if it was just a common cold.
Today alone I have been in close proximity to at least 3 people who appear to be sick.
**** me dead how hard is it.

I take it that you're wearing a mask?

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

I take it that you're wearing a mask?

As much as the average person. So only sometimes.

When I sign on at work at 5am I hardly ever see anyone. So to have a colleague come up behind me out of no where and start coughing as I was signing on was not a good start to my day.
I left the room asap.
I don’t walk around public when I’m coughing every 20 seconds.

Getting infected by someone who doesn’t know they’re sick is a bit different to someone who is coughing and sniffling every 20 seconds.

[arm79]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Getting infected by someone who doesn’t know they’re sick is a bit different to someone who is coughing and sniffling every 20 seconds.

You wouldn't like me then. I've been coughing like crazy off and on, bringing up crap left and right and sniffling for nearly 2 months now.

I cough and people look at me like im a leper spreading ebola. Can be amusing at times.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

I take it that you're wearing a mask?

Are you suggesting I should be taking responsibility for other peoples poor actions

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Are you suggesting I should be taking responsibility for other peoples poor actions

I don't know where you got that idea from, but you can't do anything about them so look after No1.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT July 5th 2022.

36,560 new cases for Australia and 45 deaths so the CMR is 0.122% (-).

NZ reported 9,802 cases and 22 deaths for a CMR of 0.0112% (é).

The UK didn’t report for a CMR of 0.793% (-).

118,544 new cases in the USA yesterday and 269 deaths sees CMR at 1.164 (ê).

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Global cases pass 556M;
North America passes 106M cases;
South America passes 60M cases;

No countries...recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and no countries drop below.

[russellw]

Australia / New Zealand
NSW records 13,775 cases for a 10-day average growth rate of 1.0758 (1.0349) and the actual line remains just below the predictive trend line.



VIC records 10,056 cases for a 10 day average growth of 1.0754 (1.0482) while the actual line rises above the predictive trend. Victoria also passes 4,000 deaths for whole of pandemic.



Here is the predictive trend graph for four States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st.



New Zealand data goes back to January 15th and the actual line is about level with the predictive trend line.



As it was the end of our week yesterday, here are the weekly case numbers with NSW having 9,549 more cases than Victoria last week while Victoria recorded 10,135 more cases than the previous week; NSW recorded 13,889 more, Queensland 4,919 more; WA 3,303 more and SA 2,616 more. The week totalled 241,539 cases, an 18.3% increase on last week.

[russellw]

It's probably worth noting that after a period when global case number were falling steadily, they have started to climb again.

Cases had dropped from ~11M per week globally in early March to under 4M in early June but they are back over 5M again now.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by russellw

It's probably worth noting that after a period when global case number were falling steadily, they have started to climb again.

Cases had dropped from ~11M per week globally in early March to under 4M in early June but they are back over 5M again now.

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Yes, and there's certainly a lot more coverage regarding Covid-19 in the local media again. Fears of increasing case numbers, on top of a bad flu season having impact upon health system resources, talk of the reintroduction of masks, talk of a 4th jab, discussion about different variants, etc.

Plus Australia passing 10,000 deaths from Covid-19 over the weekend.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by russellw

There have been 11 deaths in Australia from COVID vaccination - 8 were thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) cases, 2 were linked to Guillain-Barre syndrome (GBS) and one was a case of immune thrombocytopenia (ITP). That's from just over 59 million does.

In terms of serious adverse effects the TGA reports that:

- Myocarditis is a known but very rare side effect of Pfizer and Moderna. It is usually temporary, with most people getting better within a few days. Myocarditis is reported in around 1-2 in every 100k people who receive Pfizer and 2-3 of those who receive Moderna. However, it is more common after the second dose in 12-17 year-old boys (12 per 100k Pfizer doses and 20 per 100k Moderna doses) and men under 30 (8 per 100k Pfizer doses and 18 per 100k Moderna doses).

In hard numbers that's 573 cases from ~40.8 million doses of Pfizer and 95 cases from about 4.4 million doses of Moderna. That's 0.0014% for Pfizer and 0.0022% for Moderna.

- Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (or TTS) is a very rare but serious side effect of AstraZeneca. TGA analysis shows it is reported in about 2 in every 100k vaccinated people following the first dose. The risk of TTS is much lower after the second dose (0.3 in every 100k vaccinated people).

Thanks for that detailed response, they certainly are interesting statistics, especially considering I personally know three people that unexpectantly died after being vaccinated.

1) A workmates wife, 44 years old, dropped dead suddenly.

2) Lady that used to run our local cafe, stroke followed by heart attack in hospital shortly after vaccine, 48 years old

3) Wife's workmate dropped dead after a game of basketball, 39 years old.

All were healthy, slim and had no underlying conditions or history of heart problems. I wonder if these three were counted in the 11?

Also makes you wonder what the 40% increase in deaths of working aged people is all about, these are non covid related deaths, so these people did not die of or with covid.

Queensland health minster has also reported a 40% increase in Ambulance call outs that are not covid related.

I guess time will tell.....

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Thanks for that detailed response, they certainly are interesting statistics, especially considering I personally know three people that unexpectantly died after being vaccinated.

1) A workmates wife, 44 years old, dropped dead suddenly.

2) Lady that used to run our local cafe, stroke followed by heart attack in hospital shortly after vaccine, 48 years old

3) Wife's workmate dropped dead after a game of basketball, 39 years old.

All were healthy, slim and had no underlying conditions or history of heart problems. I wonder if these three were counted in the 11?

Also makes you wonder what the 40% increase in deaths of working aged people is all about, these are non covid related deaths, so these people did not die of or with covid.

Queensland health minster has also reported a 40% increase in Ambulance call outs that are not covid related.

I guess time will tell.....

I'm sorry to hear about your friends but it might just be coincidental.

I haven't heard of, or know of, anyone who has had any serious side effects. Both myself and my wife are over 65. and both of us have had 2 jabs.

My wife had open heart surgery a few years ago and is currently still undergoing Chemo for Breast Cancer and will be for the next 6 months.

She was also having Chemo when she had her first jab last Sept on the advice of both her Heart Dr and her Oncologist.

She also runs a small Hairdressing salon, and with the gossip that goes on in there she would certainly know of any unusual deaths or serious side effects but nothing has ever been talked about, strange eh?

[FTE217]

yes its always intriging what people experience compared to yourself.
You always got to wonder how where these dots join related to the plague, mind boggles.
Sorry to see XB GS, similar to Gaso we're jabbed up, haven't had it but 2 of our kids did recovered no worries.
Through friends of friends 1 death but who knows the circumstances but that it occured during peak covid.
1 close fit friend copped it bad and has taken 1yr or so to recover.
Thats the worst around our circles.
That classic saying, a day in a life varies so much.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Thanks for that detailed response, they certainly are interesting statistics, especially considering I personally know three people that unexpectantly died after being vaccinated.

1) A workmates wife, 44 years old, dropped dead suddenly.

2) Lady that used to run our local cafe, stroke followed by heart attack in hospital shortly after vaccine, 48 years old

3) Wife's workmate dropped dead after a game of basketball, 39 years old.

All were healthy, slim and had no underlying conditions or history of heart problems. I wonder if these three were counted in the 11?

Also makes you wonder what the 40% increase in deaths of working aged people is all about, these are non covid related deaths, so these people did not die of or with covid.

Queensland health minster has also reported a 40% increase in Ambulance call outs that are not covid related.

I guess time will tell.....

Be interesting as to what was rerecorded on the death certificates in regards to their deaths or any inquest held.

[KobiXR6T]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Thanks for that detailed response, they certainly are interesting statistics, especially considering I personally know three people that unexpectantly died after being vaccinated.

1) A workmates wife, 44 years old, dropped dead suddenly.

2) Lady that used to run our local cafe, stroke followed by heart attack in hospital shortly after vaccine, 48 years old

3) Wife's workmate dropped dead after a game of basketball, 39 years old.

All were healthy, slim and had no underlying conditions or history of heart problems. I wonder if these three were counted in the 11?

Also makes you wonder what the 40% increase in deaths of working aged people is all about, these are non covid related deaths, so these people did not die of or with covid.

Queensland health minster has also reported a 40% increase in Ambulance call outs that are not covid related.

I guess time will tell.....

This is my thoughts too. I don't know anyone who has died post vaccination, but certainly have seen side effects in people close to me (myocarditis, bells palsy, a couple of low heart rate complications that can't be answered for, and some unforeseen autoimmune diseases).

Correlation doesn't equate to causation, but there also appears to be very little effort used to investigate anything other than "we're sorry, we can't find anything".

I personally only run a small circle of friends and family. My sample for this is small. Statistically, I find it odd that I have so much exposure to things that are meant to be rare. Looking outside my circle, it doesn't seem to just be me either.

Another issue is that within the group of people with concerns or asking for better science, you also have more than a few nutjobs claiming to understand things beyond their comprehension. Classic Dunning-Kruger effect.

[T3rminator]

The FDA has until October to release all the data they used to grant Pfizer its licence for the Covid 19 vaccine. All 450,000 pages of it, for which they originally wanted 75 years to do .

Maybe we'll get to know more...maybe not. Depends if you believe the manufacturer would have recorded and handed over all its data.