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Divide by zero error. Same contributors.
I like seeing the stats updates by Russ. I get tired of the people who lack critical thinking skills.
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My apologies to everyone for taking the bait , I'll try and be stronger in the future Thanks heaps for your continued efforts of posting graphs and statistics Russell....very informative ![]()
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My doctor is not vaccinated against Covid, and like I posted before I am vaccinated for everything else that has been proven for many years before I was vaccinated for it, I do know that there are people that have had adverse reactions to vaccines in the past but all previous vaccines I have already had have been refined over many years to the point that said reactions are very rare, Covid vaccines have not been refined yet anywhere near any of the other vaccines, and If I was to guess the effectiveness of the Covid vaccine I would give it a 10% effectiveness as it does stop you contracting Covid for a few months, but so does catching it ![]() My views are not directed at anyone so please don't take offense Its funny how heated people get when you tell them you are not vaccinated for Covid and they seem to jump straight onto the anti vaxxer status and think you are some disease carrying weirdo, but in reality it makes no difference if you are or not vaccinated for Covid, Covid is here to stay, we have to deal with it each in our own way, if you think a jab in your arm is going to be better for you than not getting it then go for it, I am not going to stop you, but I would at least like the same respect because I choose not to. This is a discussion about Covid, it should not just be one sided or have an agenda, you may see some benefit in the vaccine that I don't, I would like to hear it just as much as I would like to hear from people who see no benefit, I will add my 2c worth in on things I see differently or I think is not right, but that's what a discussion is for isn't it?, isn't this how we make informed decisions from these sort of discussions, to close your self off from other peoples views does not help. You can call me a crackpot or a anti vaxxer and not even read my posts that's ok I'm a big boy, but you wont change my mind by just taking a snippet of my post and not explaining why this vaccine does not do anything, we are still spreading it, we still catch it, we are still hospitalised for it, and we are still dying from it vaccinated or not, so why does everybody still insist I get vaccinated?. On one hand the government has decided I don't need to get vaccinated anymore by relaxing all the restrictions, I am as free as the vaxxed to do as I like, then on the other hand they recommend I get vaccinated and get regular booster shots, why? they only last 2 months and I can still get Covid and we have determined now that what is around now is not as bad as the original strain, what's the point? |
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Anyway, back on topic...
China keeps saying no to US offers of COVID vaccines Quote:
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At the time Trump was very critical of how statistics were being gathered. Made many comments about the same thing, that unrelated deaths were causing figures to be over exaggerated. ![]() |
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Yeadon worked with respiratory and allergen medications, focusing on respiratory and asthma. He had never worked on a vaccine of any type in his life and when he opened his mouth during the pandemic he hadn't worked for Pfizer for some 10 years. Mikovits is a long term conspiracy theorist, discredited scientist and thief who hasn't worked in the medical field for nearly 10 years now from memory. And Malone, my favourite is always Malone. The SELF declared inventor of the mRNA vaccine, who did absolutely no such thing. 30 years ago he added compound A to compound B and out popped the basis for the mRNA technology. He saw promise in it for vaccines and other medications, but didn't get much past that due to disagreements with his lab that saw him fired and the patent and licence eventually sold off. He and his wife have actually written about how terrible it is that people are making money off his work and he gets nothing from it. The noise he's made over the last couple of years is his bitter response because he doesn't get to share in the money generated by mRNA vaccines. The name McCollough sounds familiar, but nothing comes to mind past that. But given the other names he's grouped in with I can already guess he's not worth doing much research on. I'd like to see some of these arguments come armed with valid medical professionals who are current and qualified to speak on the subject. Not has-beens with an axe to grind seeking relevance. |
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Galactically embarrassing for Rommy-boy. I presume he's done the decent thing and gone rouge with the shame of it.
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Who else feels like they are somewhat short of breath since being forcibly vaccinated? I do.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N31F20E You're welcome..
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Got my sceptic hat on when reading anything out of Reuters about anything Pfizer. They seem to have twisted what social media were originally claiming, that gov and health officials were spreading "disinformation" (about the vaccine stopping transmission), not Pfizer themselves. In fact, Pfizer said very little on the record.
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But I suppose one persons character assassination is another's truth and fact. I'm yet to see anyone dispute what I wrote as incorrect or lacking in fact. Are you also going to tell us that the inventor of the PCR test told everyone his test was not accurate and can't detect covid too? Quote:
That EU Commission was nothing more than a bull**** sensationalist gotcha type question from a ****head politician trying to wow the population with his little brain. If she was giggling it was probably because she thought he was a ****head too. Why do I say this? Because of this. As you read through it, check out the date it was written. Quote:
![]() https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2...38kIoqDz2LDOXk So, 18 months before this "explosive" and "unexpected" testimony with the EU Commission it was publicly knowledged in our own media that blocking of transmission was never tested for. But then I always comeback to the fact, when did a vaccine stop being a vaccine? At what point did it also become a cure and transmission blocking poison for a virus? Because apparently a vaccine is now all that too. Or is it just THIS vaccine? Or does a vaccine have a new definition? Or is this not a vaccine, but something different again? Call me confused. It's said pretty well in that article. Quote:
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I look at it this way... Ever year I get a flu shot. I hope that this flu shot should stop the virus from taking hold should I get infected, but if it does take hold I hope that it will prevent the kind of serious illness that might put me into hospital or on my deathbed. It doesn't always work like that, but that is the hope and expectation. I am under no illusion that I've probably been infected with the flu a handful of times in my life and not known. And I'm under no illusion that if it is in my body that I can and am likely to transmit to to other people. Any lowering of the chances of transmission to other people rely on the premise that if the vaccine stops the virus from taking hold mean the quantity of virus in my body is so low that the chance of sharing it is miniscule. As compared to getting rather sick and every time I sneeze, cough, fart or touch something with my infected hands, the quantity of the virus I am sharing is large enough to be a concern that I might share it with someone. Quite simply I think if anyone expects anything more out of a vaccine than that they have rocks in their head. What I think your trying to say is your expectation is this vaccine should kill the virus the instant it comes into contact with any part of your body, essentially a poison for the virus. Like a dog flea and tick treatment. Because that is the only way to stop transmission. And the other thing I've never seen adequately explained is the definition of transmission in this case? That I should not be able to sneeze or cough it on to someone? Or rubbing my eyes and then shaking a persons hand wont share it? Or me touching a virus carrying object and then shaking someone's hand wont share it? Last edited by arm79; 10-01-2023 at 12:29 AM. |
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Add to this the vaccine injuries, of which there are a heck of a lot more than whats being publicised, and you quickly see why people are resentful. The other problem I see going forward is, trust in future vaccines for other new viruses, is going to get smashed.
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A terrible precedence has been set.
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I reckon next time we get the vaccine sorted before all the deaths and hospitals are overwhelmed.
In future any medical offical who stands in front of a microphone and is not 110% correct with the information they are trying to disseminate, will go to jail for a long time! The excuse that the nature of science is constantly questioning outcomes, will not be a defence. Who's with me!
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For me that's the worst thing learned from the pandemic ......it's that we didn't learn it was a chain reaction of countries making the same dumb mistakes over and over without learning from previous mistakes......quite sad really some of them basic mistakes that were obvious to working people.....guess that's what happens when Pollys are calling the shots
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But we should have too we were basically the last area in the world to get it, with no borders to easily cross
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The extremely ill were being put on ventilators which was basically killing the person half the time. My point being , they didn't have a plan and were essentially panicking at the hospital. Not the medical staff but the admin , the legal staff the beancounters. You have a different healthcare system , ours is basically a for profit cash machine where the goal is to milk as much cash from an insurance company as possible while doing as little as possible . When this thing hit the admin departments of the hospitals freaked out in about 6 different ways. There was a test , they could tell you a week or so later you were infected , they had no treatment for mild cases and only bad treatments for severe cases. They have a thirst for money so didn't want to turn anyone away but when they absolutely had to act they killed the patient half the time. It was a legal nightmare . the urge to bill the crap out of an insurance company balanced by the desire to avoid being sued for killing thousands of people. At no point did anyone every say " Calm down people , we really don't have a treatment so unless you are very sick (like calling an ambulance sick) stay home and ride it out like you would a flu or a bad cold " Hospital waiting rooms were packed with sick coughing people spreading the virus to each other . Who were then tested and sent home to wait 5 10 or 14 days to hear the results. If they didn't have covid when they went in they probably caught it from the poor stiff next to them. The hospitals essentially behaved the same way as our garbage politicians and functionary 3rd class types, promise the moon and deliver nothing then CYA . Next time just come out and say we don't actually know what to do , handle it yourselves as best you can. Which is what everyone figured out anyway. In the US huge numbers of people were killed by politicians and hospital and nursing home higher ups who dumped deathly ill patients into facilities full of the people most vulnerable to getting the virus and then dying. That was all done because of money. I don't think this happened in countries with free basic health care. The fact is in the US if you are an 80 year old with corona who isn't dying the hospital decided to send you back to your nursing home because they want to bill someone 9000 dollars per night for a private room. If they can't get that money they kick you out. Right back into a nursing home full of vulnerable old people with no defense against the virus who died by the thousands. Here in Mass , there was a veterans home for the elderly where the death toll was astronomical. Bureaucrats made those decisions and never paid any price. |
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Australia / New Zealand
Please note that as of the 16th September the numbers are now reported weekly and all the charts have been changed to that period of time. NSW Predictive Trend ![]() VIC Predictive Trend ![]() Here is the predictive trend graph for four States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st 2021 so that’s more than a full year of data now. ![]() NSW had 7,444 more cases than Victoria last week; Victoria recorded 4,441 less cases than the previous week; NSW recorded 5,740 less; Queensland had 1,310 less;WA recorded 1,057 less; SA recorded 1,693 less; and New Zealand recorded 1,080 less. The week totalled 42,823 cases, a 26.5% decrease on last week. .. trends over the last 3 months: ![]()
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China reports huge rise in COVID-related deaths after data criticism
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Data valid as at 00:00 GMT week ending January 13th 2023.
42,823 new cases for Australia and 408 deaths so the CMR is 0.157% (é). NZ reported 21,660 cases and 53 deaths for a CMR of 0.169% (-). The UK reported 33,262 cases and 1,129 death last week for a CMR of 0.834 (é). A much lower 373,687 new cases in the USA this week and higher 3,670 deaths sees CMR at 1.087 (ê). Other notable points:Global cases pass 670M; Asia passes 210M cases; North America passes 122M cases; No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and South Korea drops below. Global case numbers are down again to 3,108,219 this week compared to the 3,044,349 last week and the number of deaths increased from an unamended 11,062 last week to 13,951 this week although the amended deaths for last week are up to 14,221 and the amended case numbers to 3,315,913. ![]() ![]()
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China’s COVID deaths expected to hit 36,000 a day during holiday
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Please note that as of the 16th September the numbers are now reported weekly and all the charts have been changed to that period of time. NSW Predictive Trend ![]() VIC Predictive Trend ![]() Here is the predictive trend graph for four States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st 2021 so that’s more than a full year of data now. ![]() NSW had 6,145 more cases than Victoria last week; Victoria recorded 2,996 less cases than the previous week; NSW recorded 4,991 less; Queensland had 3,446 less;WA recorded 1,928 less; SA recorded 1,208 less; and New Zealand recorded 2,481 less. The week totalled 27,547 cases, a 35.7% decrease on last week. One of the consequences of the lower testing rates now that the tests aren’t free is that the raw CMR is back on the rise again. For all of 2022 it was 0.146% but this YTD it is already 0.806% and it was 1.379% this last week. .. trends over the last 3 months: ![]()
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