New Tow Tug ,What to Buy?

[DFB FGXR6]

Ram 1500 comes with a petrol V8.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Container KW looks interesting, talked to a guy in Yarrawonga with a 6x6 MAN with a container conversion on the back.
That first picture is how I would like to ultimately set up my Louisville down the track. Using a gooseneck ball hitch if allowed. Otherwise a compact D'angelo 5th wheel plate.

Not only cooler to have a proper truck pulling a van, much safer too.
Not hard to see why these grey nomads cruise under the posted speed limit. With their rigs at or over gross mass, likely had multiple moments where they've nearly the sucked the seat up through their **** in a lapse of concentration. They must be rooted after driving all day with the **** dragging on the ground and being tailgated from every other road user.

When I did my time we had a customer with a MAN 4x4 who uses it for accessing remote or cut off areas to film natural disasters and other unfortunate events. Has living quarters as well as pto/hydro winch and a small crane from memory. Wouldn't be a bad way to see the sights.



While looking for pic/video of the MAN above I see he set up an old MAN in the NW. Probably threw it in after realising most red alerts are for 100kmh winds.

http://www.rambocam.com/archive/cyclonetruck.html

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by wodahs

Hmmm V8 pet 4x4 in a price range
i dont think there will be much at all
i dont think Nissan do a Patrol
Toyota are about to axe their landcruiser
Jeep do the GrandCherokee SRT
any others ?

Grand Cherokee S-Limited is also a V8


I want a V8 4x4 for my next car since they won't exist soon.
I don't tow heavy loads but I go off road.

LandCruiser, Patrol Y62 and Ram 1500 are my only real options I think and they're all too basic in looks and tech based on the asking price.
Grand Cherokee has decent tech and looks, but I already own one and I don't know how I feel about upgrading to something that is very similar. Seems boring.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by wodahs

Hmmm V8 pet 4x4 in a price range
i dont think there will be much at all
i dont think Nissan do a Patrol
Toyota are about to axe their landcruiser
Jeep do the GrandCherokee SRT
any others ?

Aswell and no ground clearance, the SRT Grand Cherokee has no low range and no proper transfer case lock, instead an LSD in the T/C. They're more of an awd car in a tall body instead of a traditional 4wd.
But the normal GC can be had with the 5.7 with a locking low range.
There is the Lexus LX570 with around 300kw. New ones are hideous but the pre facelift aren't too bad on the eye, with better ground clearance and smaller rims so more suitable off road.
The yanks had the 200 with the same petrol V8, its a bugger it was never an option here.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Grand Cherokee S-Limited is also a V8


I want a V8 4x4 for my next car since they won't exist soon.
I don't tow heavy loads but I go off road.

LandCruiser, Patrol Y62 and Ram 1500 are my only real options I think and they're all too basic in looks and tech based on the asking price.
Grand Cherokee has decent tech and looks, but I already own one and I don't know how I feel about upgrading to something that is very similar. Seems boring.

i am more that happy with all the bells n whistles and the way it tows and performs from my MY18 GrandCherokee V6 Diesel

[Pis-ton broke]

Originally Posted by smoo

When I did my time we had a customer with a MAN 4x4 who uses it for accessing remote or cut off areas to film natural disasters and other unfortunate events. Has living quarters as well as pto/hydro winch and a small crane from memory. Wouldn't be a bad way to see the sights.



While looking for pic/video of the MAN above I see he set up an old MAN in the NW. Probably threw it in after realising most red alerts are for 100kmh winds.

http://www.rambocam.com/archive/cyclonetruck.html

check out those trucks in paris to dakar, there ****en insane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVstIcrjhy0

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Grand Cherokee S-Limited is also a V8
.

Saw one in Glenrowan the other day dragging it backside trying to tow a medium caravan, overloaded to buggery and thought I hope the cops gets this thing off the road.

Pis-Ton Broke, nice set up but boy.......Ca Ching.

[351LTD]

yes jeep on the list and i like the look of them ,price is ok second hand as well ,not sure if its just me but have a issue with reliability ,

[wodahs]

not sure about latest gen jeep (i havent had "issues" as such yet)
but yes some older gens of recent had some reliability issues
one i have heard of is transmission , where they use to out source them and it wasnt handling the vehicles situation as well as repair parts availability
but from what ive heard the newer trans is back in house built and less dramas

if you are looking at one id suggest get one with the off road pack which comes with sump guard , air suspension with three different height lvls not includinng parked lvl for getting in n out and diff lock rear (this gear can come standard on some models)
also if your in to your cd's and not memory sticks the MY18 (what i have) and newer doesnt have a cd payer and cant have one fitted , but id suppose you could use a walkman cd player and aux jack , this i did find annoying as i have all these cds and audio books on cd

[351LTD]

thanks Wodahs, i may take you up on your offer yet !

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Saw one in Glenrowan the other day dragging it backside trying to tow a medium caravan, overloaded to buggery and thought I hope the cops gets this thing off the road.

Pis-Ton Broke, nice set up but boy.......Ca Ching.

They have a decent payload and 3.5T towing so that's surprising.

On the Grand page everyone who has sold an Asian diesel 4x4 and bought a Grand Cherokee to tow say they they love how great it is at towing.
That could be because they have more power and torque, tech and feel pretty nice to drive. Personally I don't recall ever seeing one dragging it's ***.

Originally Posted by 351LTD

yes jeep on the list and i like the look of them ,price is ok second hand as well ,not sure if its just me but have a issue with reliability ,

5 Year warranty. The new ones are pretty reliable. They won't win any reliability competition compared to some other brands, but it's not as bad as some non owners make it out to be.
My 2016 as been good since new.

[351LTD]

Live in a caravan park so talk to a few and the jeep grand Cherokee owners all rave about the towing capicity of the diesil ,have not spoken to or seen one petrol either 6 or 8 yet,fuel economy i suspose ?

[351LTD]

and the Ram 1500 has little payload most double utez have alot more!

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Ben73

They have a decent payload and 3.5T towing so that's surprising.

On the Grand page everyone who has sold an Asian diesel 4x4 and bought a Grand Cherokee to tow say they they love how great it is at towing.
That could be because they have more power and torque, tech and feel pretty nice to drive. Personally I don't recall ever seeing one dragging it's ***.




5 Year warranty. The new ones are pretty reliable. They won't win any reliability competition compared to some other brands, but it's not as bad as some non owners make it out to be.
My 2016 as been good since new.

Might start taking pictures of this stuff. Cafe at Glenrowan seems to be the place to spot then. btw... I love all the maufacturers claiming this 3.5T towing capacity on their advertising.

[351LTD]

S Limited v8 towing capacity listed as 2268kgs and only the 3l diesil at 3500kg

[Yellow_Festiva]

Any OKA's still floating around???

[351LTD]

still making them right here in perth.(very expensive)

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by 351LTD

still making them right here in perth.(very expensive)

Really? I thought they went bust?

https://www.caradvice.com.au/866809/...an-off-roader/

http://oka-atv.com/

Well there you go

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[roKWiz]

This looked pretty good but probably as comfortable as my truck.

[351LTD]

Jeep Grand Cherokee Diesel has a GVM of 6099kgs,a Tare of 2320 and GVM of 2949 so I will cross that of the Very short list.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by 351LTD

Jeep Grand Cherokee Diesel has a GCM of 6099kgs,a Tare of 2320 and GVM of 2949 so I will cross that of the Very short list.

Fixed that for you.

[351LTD]

thanks running out of options i think!!

[Ben73]

Deleted, Never mind

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by 351LTD

thanks running out of options i think!!

Well after 7 pages, It's pretty obvious you're either going have to buy 2 vehicles or make some Severe compromises to your must have list..

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Personally I don't recall ever seeing one dragging it's ***.
.

Just thinking back to when I saw this one now, I reckon It might have been a bad choice in the caravan, not so much the car. (even though it was chock a block full to.)
The van I remember had its dual axles set way back on the frame causing it to nose down on the cars tow bar.
Just wondering why a new van would have its axles so far back with no counterbalancing weight behind.

Noticed van was built in ballarat ???

[prydey]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Just thinking back to when I saw this one now, I reckon It might have been a bad choice in the caravan, not so much the car. (even though it was chock a block full to.)
The van I remember had its dual axles set way back on the frame causing it to nose down on the cars tow bar.
Just wondering why a new van would have its axles so far back with no counterbalancing weight behind.

Noticed van was built in ballarat ???

Axles set more rearward is better for stability.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by prydey

Axles set more rearward is better for stability.

Maybe not so much in this application though.

I know everyone say this but working with pivots and fulcrums, everyday this still makes no sense to me.
Doesn't really make sense as anything you slide axles back on makes a heavier pivot forward. (which is OK if the rght tow vehicle is used)

Semi's and 5th wheeler vans (having their pivot point slighty forward of the drive axle) I can understand but caravans where the pivot is well behind the cars axle and no counterweight behind the vans axle surely pushes weight down onto the ball, which in turn drops the back of the vehicle further down on the ground causing the front of the vehicle to rise causing an unstable towing situation IMO.

I can see the opposite logic in some 5th wheel van designs here where the axles are forward a little to take some weight of the pivot point on smaller tow vehicles.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Proper 4x4 - tick
Rated to tow 4t - tick
Something special - tick
8 cylinder - tick

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...-6832661/?Cr=4

Only $5k!

[351LTD]

and it comes with a spare !!! the newer models tock a few boxes as well !!

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Proper 4x4 - tick
Rated to tow 4t - tick
Something special - tick
8 cylinder - tick

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...-6832661/?Cr=4

Only $5k!

^^^ That's a Prime candidate for this Thread.. https://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11487832


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