Fukushima declared an emergency...

[mik]

Originally Posted by blueoval

Ive listened to Alex Jones a number of times. My MIL listens to him daily and I get bombarded with conspiracy stuff all the time. Some of the stuff he says has merit but he is more of a cynic than I am which is a shock.

Yes he comes out with some stuff, some of it reason to have concern over, one thing about the bloke he has my respect for, he is not afraid to speak his mind about topics and dangerous people/organizations out there that could make you disappear.

[Trump]

Moderate thread mine, but this is worthy of digging it up:

http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Comp...reactor-vessel

[Maka]

Things not going good for Tepco Mr Trump, that reading of 530 seiverts from reactor 2 is off the scale. The Pacific ocean cannot keep absorbing all that radiation indefinitely hey. Pacific fish off the menu in my house unfortunately doh..

cheer's, Maka

[Trump]

Originally Posted by Maka

Things not going good for Tepco Mr Trump, that reading of 530 seiverts from reactor 2 is off the scale. The Pacific ocean cannot keep absorbing all that radiation indefinitely hey. Pacific fish off the menu in my house unfortunately doh..

cheer's, Maka

I think there's far more to it than what they've admitted to (which is bad enough on its own).

[Trump]

"The Guardian" are running with the latest development:

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...P=share_btn_fb

[Mercury Bullet]

How powerful is this stuff.
They still don't know.

Quantities of melted fuel are believed to have accumulated at the bottom of the damaged reactors’ containment vessels, but dangerously high radiation has prevented engineers from accurately gauging the state of the fuel deposits.

[blueoval]

This has been the biggest cover up to date. Notice the media won't report on it?

[Trump]

Originally Posted by blueoval

This has been the biggest cover up to date. Notice the media won't report on it?

The silence is deafening, although Fox did mention it in the US.

[CJR09]

Originally Posted by Trump

The silence is deafening, although Fox did mention it in the US.

F off with ya fox, srsly it is terrible



the only thing new here is that tepco are acknowledging it

those with half a brain have known this since 2011

[CJR09]

for those interested - RT vid


https://youtu.be/TZWf2BOqeVM

[cheap]

Or maybe, just maybe, it isn't as bad as the media claims make out.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by cheap

Or maybe, just maybe, it isn't as bad as the media claims make out.

It isn't as bad as the limited media coverage says, it's a lot worse.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by Trump

It isn't as bad as the limited media coverage says, it's a lot worse.

Suggest you read the various reports and frequent updates available from the IAEA. Suggest The Gardian be placed in the confirmed fake news category.

[Maka]

With thanks from IAEA,

Fukushima Daiichi Status Updates

1 February 2017



"On 1 February 2017, Japan provided the IAEA with a copy of a report on the discharge record and the seawater monitoring results at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station during January, which the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has sent to all international Missions in Japan.

The report contains information on discharges from the subdrain and groundwater drain systems, as well as on groundwater bypassing conducted during the month of January. In both cases, in advance of the action, TEPCO analyzes the quality of the groundwater to be discharged and announces the results. These results confirm that the radiation level of sampled water are substantially below the operational targets set by TEPCO."


Just googled the above & that's the latest update from IAEA, this report was released before the latest readings.

cheer's, Maka

[superroo]

Originally Posted by cheap

Suggest you read the various reports and frequent updates available from the IAEA. Suggest The Gardian be placed in the confirmed fake news category.

Yep agreed. The 530 seiverts reading has been taken in a place that hasn't been accessed before. Hence it is higher than expected, as they thought the vessel was intact.

Actually from the guardian article

Originally Posted by theguardian

Tepco pointed out, however, that the camera had probed deeper inside the reactor than before and had focused on a single point.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by superroo

Yep agreed. The 530 seiverts reading has been taken in a place that hasn't been accessed before. Hence it is higher than expected, as they thought the vessel was intact.

Actually from the guardian article

You kids do realise that 530 Sv from a supposedly inoperative reactor is mindblowingly high right? And "The Guardian" wasn't the only media outlet quoting TEPCO.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by Trump

You kids do realise that 530 Sv from a supposedly inoperative reactor is mindblowingly high right? And "The Guardian" wasn't the only media outlet quoting TEPCO.

It all depends what context the 530 Sv relates to. For example, the locality, the duration of the measurement, the actual risk profile and the mitigations available.

Unless you know everything about the situation then your use of "mindblowingly high" to describe the situation could be utter nonsense.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by cheap

It all depends what context the 530 Sv relates to. For example, the locality, the duration of the measurement, the actual risk profile and the mitigations available.

Unless you know everything about the situation then your use of "mindblowingly high" to describe the situation could be utter nonsense.

Umm, it is a reactor that is very close to blowing its stack and making Chernobyl look like a Sunday picnic. So in that context, 530 Sv is "mindblowingly high".

[superroo]

Originally Posted by Trump

Umm, it is a reactor that is very close to blowing its stack and making Chernobyl look like a Sunday picnic.

So you're awaren Chernobyl was a steam explosion and open air graphite fire that caused the fallout?

Chernobyl ejected a lot into the atomosphere. Fukushima contained more in the plant, hence the high radiation readings.
The biggest risk here is leaking the radiation to the outside would.

A nuclear power plant and associated fuel doesn't and can't just turn into "Fat Man" or "Little Boy" and explode

[CJR09]

Originally Posted by Maka

TEPCO analyzes the quality of the groundwater to be discharged and announces the results. These results confirm that the radiation level of sampled water are substantially below the operational targets set by TEPCO."

cheer's, Maka

The thing with this is TEPCO is reporting on itself - it is not independent and the operational targets that they are trying to meet are their own that they set and then altered a number of times post quake so things didn't look as bad as what they perhaps were

[Trump]

Originally Posted by superroo

So you're awaren Chernobyl was a steam explosion and open air graphite fire that caused the fallout?

Chernobyl ejected a lot into the atomosphere. Fukushima contained more in the plant, hence the high radiation readings.
The biggest risk here is leaking the radiation to the outside would.

A nuclear power plant and associated fuel doesn't and can't just turn into "Fat Man" or "Little Boy" and explode

I am well aware of what sort of explosion Chernobyl was. And I am also well aware that Fukushima couldn't go critical and trigger a runaway chain reaction. When it blows its stack, it will be the biggest "dirty bomb" incident ever.

[Maka]

Originally Posted by CJR09

The thing with this is TEPCO is reporting on itself - it is not independent and the operational targets that they are trying to meet are their own that they set and then altered a number of times post quake so things didn't look as bad as what they perhaps were

Oh yeah I'm well aware of that fact, but when the time comes a independent inquiry will hopefully get to the bottom of it all (might take years though..).

Question to all, if the disaster completely kills off the Pacific what are the repercussions? Something like BP Mexico?

cheer's, Maka

[cheap]

Originally Posted by Trump

Umm, it is a reactor that is very close to blowing its stack and making Chernobyl look like a Sunday picnic. So in that context, 530 Sv is "mindblowingly high".

Blowing its stack ?

Also Chernobyl 56 direct deaths (47 accident workers and nine children with thyroid cancer)... I would image more people die at the hands of incompetent surgeons each and every day.

[paulb351]

Originally Posted by cheap

Blowing its stack ?



Also Chernobyl 56 direct deaths (47 accident workers and nine children with thyroid cancer)... I would image more people die at the hands of incompetent surgeons each and every day.

What about the 18,000 killed in the cause of the plant failure to use as a scale measure?

I guess the other question is what material is emitting the radiation and what is it's half life? Have to rely on the experts and not the media to interpret the findings to give them meaning. Media has a role in questioning progress and tepco and authorities but uneasy about media as a click bait/fake news source compared with quality expert analysis... Either way still a lot of work for them to do in securing and stabilising the site...


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[jpblue1000]

but but

Originally Posted by cheap

Blowing its stack ?

Also Chernobyl 56 direct deaths (47 accident workers and nine children with thyroid cancer)... I would image more people die at the hands of incompetent surgeons each and every day.

Cheap, if your going to quote wikipedia quote the whole passage.
Chernobyl disaster. 4,000 fatalities – Chernobyl disaster, Ukraine, April 26, 1986. 56 direct deaths (47 accident workers and nine children with thyroid cancer) and it is estimated that there may eventually be 4,000 extra cancer deaths among the approximately 600,000 most highly exposed people

This doesn't take account of the hundreds of thousands of people who's lives, livelihood and assets were wiped out with a single incident.
But on the bright side there is a lucrative industry in extreme tourism!
JP

[cheap]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

but but

Cheap, if your going to quote wikipedia quote the whole passage.
Chernobyl disaster. 4,000 fatalities – Chernobyl disaster, Ukraine, April 26, 1986. 56 direct deaths (47 accident workers and nine children with thyroid cancer) and it is estimated that there may eventually be 4,000 extra cancer deaths among the approximately 600,000 most highly exposed people

This doesn't take account of the hundreds of thousands of people who's lives, livelihood and assets were wiped out with a single incident.
But on the bright side there is a lucrative industry in extreme tourism!
JP

The highlighted section being the reason why. 30 years after the Chernobyl accident and 56 direct deaths. Fukushima and it would seem zero people have died directly from radiation.

[Maka]

Originally Posted by superroo

The biggest risk here is leaking the radiation to the outside would.

Yep, apparently there are now ocean dead zones between Japan & the US because of the 300,000 tons a day of death water & sludge according to some reports.

If true & nothing can be done, the Pacific Ocean will be eventually destroyed by greedy incompetent corporations who see themselves above the law..

That's why we see limited coverage on the slow unfolding apocalypse happening in the Pacific as we speak..

cheer's, Maka

[cheap]

^ I think you're onto something... The world awaits a sequel to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Rim_(film)

[Trump]

Originally Posted by cheap

^ I think you're onto something... The world awaits a sequel to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Rim_(film)

That is such a lame movie. Oh crap, there is an actual sequel:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2557478/?ref_=nv_sr_1

[Maka]

Originally Posted by cheap

^ I think you're onto something... The world awaits a sequel to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Rim_(film)

Na, below is more like it perhaps cheap lol -


On the Beach

1959 film


7.3/10·IMDb

75%·Rotten Tomatoes


After World War III, Australia is the only remaining haven for mankind. However, wind currents carrying lingering radiation all but condemn those on the continent to the same fate suffered by the rest of the world. When the survivors receive a strange signal from San Diego, Cmdr. Dwight Towers (Gregory Peck) must undertake a mission with Lt. Peter Holmes (Anthony Perkins) to see if there is hope for humanity -- leaving behind Moira (Ava Gardner) and Mary (Donna Anderson), the women they love.

Director: Stanley Kramer

cheer's, Maka