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View Poll Results: Best Aussie car of last 30 years | |||
Territory |
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36 | 29.51% |
AU Falcon |
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35 | 28.69% |
B-series Falcon |
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19 | 15.57% |
GTF Falcon |
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6 | 4.92% |
Falcon Sprint (last version) |
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6 | 4.92% |
FG X Falcon (any model) |
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9 | 7.38% |
VF Commodore (any model) |
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7 | 5.74% |
VT Commodore (any model) |
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1 | 0.82% |
Mitsubishi Magna |
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1 | 0.82% |
Toyota Camry |
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2 | 1.64% |
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Not if you look at it from the time frame it was new. It was so far in front of it's rivals it will never be dethroned. Sure other cars came later and were quicker, but no 1 vehicle simply reached a pinnacle like the Ph3 did. Used values prove it too. Long live the king. Quote:
Ford had 3 options to choose from at the time, with 1 of them to go into production. They ran case studies on all of them. The choices were... Territory turbo. Territory diesel. Territory LTD. With the aim to try to move into the luxury SUV market vs X5 and Merc ML. Obviously the TT won out. Cost was probably a factor as it would have been the easiest to do. Also LPG compatible Territory was a goer, the engines even started running down the line for weeks before legal considerations killed it. The standard Territory engine picked up the hardened valve seats and LPG rods as standard. So it was fitted with the LPG engine, but with petrol fuel system. There are probably hundreds of Territory's running around there with the owners unaware they have the stronger rod "green top" engine powering it. Quote:
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Just one small point here. Total sales of any single model series is not an indicator of its popularity or otherwise.
The best number is sales per month. In other words if you get the total number sold & divide it by the number of months it was on sale, this is a much better indicator. For example, in Holden sales the best grossing models were the HQ & VE series, but they were on sale for nearly 4 years (HQ) & nearly 7 years for the VE. EH & HT were much better sellers on a sales/month basis. Dr Terry |
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So that explains it! What kind of time frame were these engines fitted? Ours is May 07, after the Turbo release.
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Probably the easiest way to identify them was the green paint dab on the back of the cylinder head, where the welch plug goes. Turbos had red paint, LPG's had green. Standard head had no paint. |
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Just a bump to the thread - poll closed.
The Territory is the best Aussie car of the last 30 years, according to the forums. But it was pushed hard by the resurgent internet-powered AU! Special mention to our Magna voter ![]()
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Ford screwed the Falcon
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Where is the Holden Nova?
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Falcon: 1960 - 2016 My cars Current ride 2016 FG X XR6 - 6 speed manual Previous rides 2009 FG XR6 - 6 speed auto 2006 BF MkII XT ESP - 6 speed auto 2003 BA XT V8 - 5 speed manual 1999 AU Forte - 5 speed manual 1997 EL Fairmont - 4 speed auto 1990 EAII Fairmont Ghia - 4 speed auto |
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For the best car I sure do wreck lots of them. Noone wants to put the money into fixing them. I have put three AU's back on the road in the last 12 months. A days work and they are as good as new.
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And high cost of living/interest rates will probably accelerate that scrapping over the next couple of years, too.
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Ford screwed the Falcon
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The biggest weakness on these cars from 2002 to 2016. How can a company that got burnts by the suspension issues on the XK Falcon make the same mistakes again?!?!?
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Just out of interest, we had the dodge ones replaced under warranty (SY) and it was a different design. It was then different again with the SY2 which seemed to solve it, I've heard.
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Do Australians even know what they have lost? Losing domestic car manufacturing is a mistake. Not just from a history or nostalgia point of view.
Today I priced up and engine repair on a large Korean SUV that has overheated and destroyed the engine. To build an engine with genuine parts (they don’t sell long motors) is around $35,000 for parts alone. Or you can buy a reconditioned engine for $15,000. What do you do? You throw a $20,000 car in the bin, that’s what you do. This is becoming normal. Once a car is out of warranty it’s on borrowed time. Any major failure or accident and it’s simply not viable to repair it. Why would you spend $20,000 repairing a $20,0000 car that will only come with a 12 month or 20,000km warranty? But I guess this fits with our disposable world we live in. I’ll be driving my SZII Barra powered Territory for some years yet. It’ll probably get written off by some muppet in a Tesla. |
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In losing vehicle manufacturing, the economic zone formerly known as Australia has lost human capital.
We saw the job outcome figures when mitsubishi closed. Roughly 1 in 3 went to another full time job, 1 in 3 went to a part time job or casual work, 1 in 3 never worked again. And the figures when holden closed were worse. Why we place so little value on the benefits lost to individuals, is beyond me.
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Imagine if Ford/Holden had the foresight to develop a local EV platform!
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Irrespective of driveline, our attitude to repairs, remains - a strong case of Charlie Bravo Foxtrot. We even eschew the manufacturer endorsed methods for significant repairs with dull-headed putdowns that belong in another era: “It’ll never be the same again”.
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In 2000 teaming up with the CSIRO for development and again in 2011 with another company on the VE. Quote:
It's like the Ford Territory Turbo and the F6X - decade ahead of it's time before the market was keen. Quote:
They also did a hybrid in 2000 for the $ydney Olympics Quote:
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The rest are lowly paid monkeys, imports from third world countries on 'skills visas' because you can treat them like **** and pay them **** all, if they lose their job they have 60 days before they get deported. Or the dregs of the youth, who don't cut it for the construction apprenticeships - there's a reason there's 200-300 people applying for every 1st year apprenticeship position for plumbers and electricians advertised while the automotive apprenticeships get nothing and they're crying out for new blood to come in. Of the **** all the automotive industry attracts to apply, over 50% drop out before finishing their apprenticeships. Then there's the OEMs who are keeping all the diagnostics information in house locked up to kill off the independents and lobbying governments globally to stop legislation like 'right to repair' movement. It's a sunset industry and has been for a long time - you pay peanuts you get Indians. There's parts of the industry which still pay decently but it's not light vehicle and it's not in Melbourne. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 28-07-2023 at 11:36 AM. |
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It is truly amazing what we've lost. I hear you on the construction Franco as that's where our youngest has gone.
I never understood why our government was hostile to manufacturing cars here when other nations arrange generous support - maybe they thought it should be a free market thing. Maybe the automakers knew what was coming with the electric tsunami and realised we had nowhere near the capital here to compete. Look at the trouble huge companies like Toyota (and the Japanese in general) are having with it. Anyway, I made my own manufacturing capacity. Nothing as complex as a car though. We've now entered an inflationary environment, and manufacturers have crazy pricing power. What I can decide to charge, I'll probably get away with. If only Australia still had Ford, Holden and Toyota going through Covid, they could get a decent return on locally produced. Oh well. (+1 for the Electrodore mention below too)
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Edit: it's a discussion we've had over in the electric vehicle thread - my conclusion there is that electric is going to be so much cheaper to own privately long term, even including the replacement of batteries. So maybe not economically scrapped until about $7-10K rather than 20-30K, and perhaps battery replacements will get cheaper with scale, too. Disclaimer, currently there's still some really expensive batteries - like a 30K replacement, but others are apparently much cheaper.
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Had a gem of a 202 once
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