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30-10-2011, 08:52 AM | #181 | |||
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30-10-2011, 09:01 AM | #182 | |||
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For the small amount of investment in employee happiness Qantas could have been still functioning without disruption.
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30-10-2011, 09:02 AM | #183 | |||
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There was no way this was a snap decision by the Board though, I imagine a good 12-24 hours of planning would have needed to go into it. Letting codeshare partners and airports know, external 3rd party suppliers (eg the caterers), etc. I personally don't see any issue with that, I think the issue is if this letter was sent a few days to a weeks ago explicitly stating not to supply any goods from a certain date and time onwards. |
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30-10-2011, 09:12 AM | #184 | ||||
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our house here is valued at around $350,000. the equivalent house there would be 6,000,000php which is $150,000aud, but with the cost of living adjusted is $750,000 $400,000 more expensive to buy in manila Quote:
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please don't go one about how good people in third world countries have it. they smile because they have their priorities right. maybe it is because they can see just how dumb the western world is, and they realise that soon we will all be equal when that happens, they won't be better, but there is nothing like dragging down the wealthy is there Last edited by gtxb67; 30-10-2011 at 09:58 AM. |
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30-10-2011, 10:05 AM | #186 | ||
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30-10-2011, 10:08 AM | #187 | ||
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Alan Joyce on ABC 24 right now....
"Business leaders have given me thier support"..... sure why not, who else would other CEOs support but their own kind?
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30-10-2011, 10:21 AM | #188 | ||
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Can we keep the thread within the topic of an airline, the cost of a can of beer or bottled water will only add/separate topics within the thread.
The cost of living and international comparisons best have its own thread.
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30-10-2011, 10:30 AM | #189 | ||
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I have a good mate who's a baggage handler at the airport. Over the last 20 years his pay has almost halved (that's not taking CPI into consideration) and is currently on ~15/hour. He's being offered a 3% pay rise while taking shift loading away - essentially cutting 33% of his wage since he does a lot of overtime to supplement his income.
I don't know about you, but I'd be pretty peeved if I was in that predicament after working 20+ years for the same company. |
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30-10-2011, 10:43 AM | #190 | |||
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30-10-2011, 10:45 AM | #191 | |||
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He was handed the reigns on an undertable deal with the previous CEO, and the guy that should be running Qantas today, is actually the new Virgin Aust CEO! ......have you noticed how they have taken on a premium type makeover in this last year!! |
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30-10-2011, 10:46 AM | #192 | |||||
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As far as quoting my mention of other unions getting involved, in all politeness i think you missed my point, if the unions i am talking about decide to support the three involved in this action and boycott Qantas from flying their members, you can bet you left nut the companies involved (and these companies could buy Qantas out of there lunch money) will be signing up another airline to carry it's workers quick smart. Anyhow that is all moot......it's what motivates A. Joyce that most Australians should be looking at and mondo_broady has already pointed that out...... I'm also a 6 year QFF Platinium member.......i also still have 275000 FF Points......hmmmm, maybe it would be a good idea to visit the FF store and do some panic buying...
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30-10-2011, 10:49 AM | #193 | |||
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30-10-2011, 10:58 AM | #194 | |||
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30-10-2011, 10:58 AM | #195 | ||
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Where's Bob ??? Or is he too old to sort this out ???
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30-10-2011, 11:00 AM | #196 | ||
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it is amazing isn't it - so many educated people putting down alan joyce and yet they don't seem to know which one he is
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30-10-2011, 11:11 AM | #197 | ||
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The uniion had pushed too far and they will soon see that the days are numbered.
Qantas can shut down qantas, pop up jetstar and create jetstar premium. This will freed them from the unions and gives them a blank sheet of paper for their cost cutting plan.
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30-10-2011, 11:15 AM | #198 | |||
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2) No, but they have been trickle charging the offshore employment for ages. An example, all New Zealand Qantas flights are now operated by a NZ company that Qantas setup called JET CONNECT. It's simply a "SHELL" company with no serious manangement and all the bills go to Qantas....just a smoke and mirrors way to create some offshore creative accounting and cheap employment. But the customer still keeps paying the premium air fares! So dispite the aircraft being painted up in Qantas colours and the pilots wearing Qantas uniforms.....it's not Qantas. That's just the tip of the iceberg. |
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30-10-2011, 11:28 AM | #199 | ||
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The way the Unions in Australia carry-on, I'm sure they don't want any company's to make any profits. The Unions seem to think that all of the profits should go to the "workers". They seem to forget that shareholders, be they institutional or mums and dads, want a decent return on their capital invested, otherwise they will take their cash and invest elsewhere.
I remind you all that the Union bosses are quick to whinge when their members superfund returns are low or negative.....that is irony! Joyce has Qantas operating as the most profitable airline in the world, hence the recent approval by shareholders to give him a significant payrise. I would love to see the Unions attempt run any business at a profit. It wouldn't happen because they are disfunctional, immoral, corrupt and are effectively the fund raising arm of the Australian Labor Party. And we all know what a great job Labor governments do when they are in power, regardless of whether it is state or federal politics. They can't manage money, can't run an economy and can't be held to account. Well done Qantas. It's time to put the unions back in their place and show them that the Australian business community is sick of being held to ransom |
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30-10-2011, 11:32 AM | #200 | ||
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Here is a perfect example of what I was talking about earlier....
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/skyhigh-re...029-1mpex.html |
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30-10-2011, 11:33 AM | #201 | ||||
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What a strange set of morals.... sorry i must remember that next time "think of the shareholders!!! they have families and children!!!" As opposed to the workers.... who are evil people lacking in morals, with no families or bills to pay and utterly selfish! Quote:
Yes well done to the CEO for moving jobs offshore to cheap asian countries...
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30-10-2011, 11:36 AM | #202 | ||||
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30-10-2011, 11:51 AM | #204 | |||
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I cannot for the life of me believe the level of support shown here for Qantas to be moved offshore......
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30-10-2011, 12:09 PM | #206 | |||
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most of the workers were hoping for the company shut down our department, because they were only interested in their payout. most were ectastic when it happened because of the payout. it didn't matter that 50 jobs were lost, just they received the money for the here and now . . . and now there are less jobs around - go figure unions do hijack companies, just like ceo's take advantage of workers. there are good points on both sides, but to suggest only one side is greedy is naive to say the least |
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30-10-2011, 12:12 PM | #207 | |||
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Yes i wanted a responce by the poster AMGC63.... he claims the unions have hijacked qantas... What industrial action have the 4 unions and its members commited against qantas?
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30-10-2011, 12:20 PM | #208 | |||
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So I don't think you will see the Federal Government do much at all except. It's just another Blow to Labor.
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30-10-2011, 12:45 PM | #209 | |||
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Id like to rephrase my post and say "That" would be abit of a foolish thought
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30-10-2011, 01:17 PM | #210 | ||
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An age old problem of who gets the cash return on a business
-the workers -or the shareholders The facts are that shareholders (not necessarily the Qantas ones) have been taking more and more and the workers get less and less job security. The Occupy protests are against the fact that the rich are getting richer and the middle and poor are getting more and more squeezed. Dont bash unions. Unions are the members. The workers. Last edited by flappist; 30-10-2011 at 01:43 PM. Reason: keep it on topic |
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