Ford Announces New Engine Direction

[duaned]

Originally Posted by Fordmuscle1965

: A falcon without a straight six is like a willy without its nuts. Just wont look right when the bonnet is lifted. :

What do you mean? It looks similar to the V8 with only 2 cylinders missing!
I have to admit I am looking forward to the move to V6 configuration. The wife's car has the duratech 2.5L and it is quiet, revs freely and is smooth as a baby's bum. But what is missing is that useable, sweet broad torque band....

[mcflux]

Originally Posted by McobraR

wouldnt actually be a bad idea. Might please the majority that dislike the decision.

The majority on these forums who have posted regarding this topic. A couple of hundred people.

Originally Posted by Serial Fool

......but how long have we been making them since Ford NA stopped using them? 20-30 years?

/me awaits for some future uproar (jihad?) on an arab Camry forum when some change is made to the Camry.

And I'll repeat my earlier comments about the VL and VN-onwards sixes. Didn't sink Holden's bread 'n' butter model did it. The VN saved Holden from memory. (they must've had some awesome cocaine in the 80s)

Sticking with Holden, how about their V8? They went from the Aussie 5.0 (308/304), with 30ish years of heritage, to the LS1 without any real hiccups from the holden fans. LS1 has a cult following now, like the VLTs do.

[4Vman]

LOL, some of this stuff is bcoming quite silly.. This thread has the propensity to become the largest in AUFF history, and largely on the massive unfounded generalisations about the virtues of I6 Versus V6!

Imagine if FF was around when they dropped the Cleveland??!!

[new2ford]

Another great engine, the Rover V8, was killed off in the 1990s yet there is a whole industry of firms in the UK still promoting it, e.g.:
http://www.v8developments.co.uk/ do a Google search on rover v8

For you diehards, with a bit of luck the I6 might be around for a while in one form or the other!

[steamin63]

possibly another brilliant move by ford australia just like their other brilliant moves -
killing off the cleveland
the au falcon
the explorer
the taurus
the mondeo
the ka
the probe
the focus[i owned one ,they are sh#t]
can anyone think of any other stuff ups

[shepv8]

Since when has the an inline 6 been the defining attribute of the falcon. Falcons heritage rests more with the GT's of the 60's/70's. Only recently has the I6 been a decent engine and it took 40 years to get there. Is the heritage you are so keen to remember the wheezy old 3.3/4.1 engines and who could forget the ripper 3.9 EA donk?
I remeber the stump pulling grunt that boat anchor had.
Are you sure this isnt about us having a similar engine to holden's ? That would be a pretty silly thing to base a decision not to buy a car on. I remember when holden announced the VN V6 being, very dissapointed that ford had decided to stick with the I6 instead of their own 3.8l V6.

[Perana]

Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

It is said that ignorance is bliss and the uninformed posts on this forum confirm this. The ramifications of today's announcement goes far beyond the 600 Ford employees who will lose their jobs by 2010. I have been a Falcon man all my life but I think my loyalty to Ford has reached the end of the line.

FF

Bye then!

Seriously if your that fickle that a change from I6 to V6 is enough for you NOT to buy a ford again then Ford are better off without fans like you.

[#Russ#Es#]

I'm surprised noone has picked this up yet...the Duratec 35 has an output of 198kW/339nM on 87 octane fuel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cyclone_engine

I don't see why Ford NA couldn't develop this engine for different markets, with a 3.8 V6 for US large cars and the Falcon - that would return pretty good results and be pretty torquey too...Ford AU could also be involved in development of the Duratec 3.7 to make it more suitable for Oz.

The Twinforce seems like a great engine for the 2010 Typhoon (321kW/542nM...and I assume using 87 octane fuel)

[mcflux]

Originally Posted by Pumpit

A V6 in a Falcon? All the engineering and experience that went into the I6 donk down the toilet?

Words fail me.

Have you researched the topic on hand? Let alone read the contents of this thread?

Only the falcon & territory use this particular engine. Ford needs to look worldwide for a more economically-viable solution. Holden has done the same with its V6 and V8 using "global" engines. Ford itself has done the same with its current V8, something it did back in the 90s, and in the 60s/70s/80s with the older wheezers and clevos.

Yes, it is a pity that the 4.0 is to go, it is a great engine. But times change.

[Serial_Fool]

Why did ford america choose to develope a V6 engine anyway? Why didn't they speak to there Australian branch for what is a world class engine already?

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by steamin63

possibly another brilliant move by ford australia just like their other brilliant moves -
killing off the cleveland
the au falcon
the explorer
the taurus
the mondeo
the ka
the probe
the focus[i owned one ,they are sh#t]
can anyone think of any other stuff ups

Maybe you should have joined "Ford are Sh!t Forums" ?

[Fordmuscle1965]

Originally Posted by shepv8

Since when has the an inline 6 been the defining attribute of the falcon. Falcons heritage rests more with the GT's of the 60's/70's. Only recently has the I6 been a decent engine and it took 40 years to get there. Is the heritage you are so keen to remember the wheezy old 3.3/4.1 engines and who could forget the ripper 3.9 EA donk?
I remeber the stump pulling grunt that boat anchor had.
Are you sure this isnt about us having a similar engine to holden's ? That would be a pretty silly thing to base a decision not to buy a car on. I remember when holden announced the VN V6 being, very dissapointed that ford had decided to stick with the I6 instead of their own 3.8l V6.

Like you say its only recently that the engine is now quite decent and its taken 40 years to get there. So now lets throw it to the scrapyard and start again. :

[shepv8]

Originally Posted by #Russ#Es#

I'm surprised noone has picked this up yet...the Duratec 35 has an output of 198kW/339nM on 87 octane fuel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cyclone_engine

I don't see why Ford NA couldn't develop this engine for different markets, with a 3.8 V6 for US large crs and the Falcon - that would return pretty good results and be pretty torquey too...Ford AU could also be involved in development of the Duratec 3.7 to make it more suitable for Oz.

The Twinforce seems like a great engine for the 2010 Typhoon (321kW/542nM...and I assume using 87 octane fuel)

Finally, some figures. We can assume that our 91 ron fuel will have better numbers than that , and in 3 years a bit more development.

[Serial_Fool]

Originally Posted by shepv8

Since when has the an inline 6 been the defining attribute of the falcon. Falcons heritage rests more with the GT's of the 60's/70's. Only recently has the I6 been a decent engine and it took 40 years to get there. Is the heritage you are so keen to remember the wheezy old 3.3/4.1 engines and who could forget the ripper 3.9 EA donk?
I remeber the stump pulling grunt that boat anchor had.
Are you sure this isnt about us having a similar engine to holden's ? That would be a pretty silly thing to base a decision not to buy a car on. I remember when holden announced the VN V6 being, very dissapointed that ford had decided to stick with the I6 instead of their own 3.8l V6.

The 3.3 was developed to combat holdens 4 cylinder commodore of the early 80's while the 4.1 easily were better than what was being offered from the competition at the time. And the Multipoint Injection 3.9 donk was the first falcon six to break into the 15's down the 1/4 in stock form. The VN V6 was a crap motor that replaced an excellent engine.

[Perana]

Originally Posted by Serial_Fool

Why did ford america choose to develope a V6 engine anyway? Why didn't they speak to there Australian branch for what is a world class engine already?

Because it's not really that world class?! also it wouldn't fit into most car's that the Duratec's intended market is.

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by Venomous™

Life changes things change

Oh well there goes the heritage eventually Ford will announce we are moving to front wheel drive.

Guys preserve your Au's/Ba's/Bf's they are collectors for sure.

FFS! FORD and GM in the US are doing everything they can to expand their RWD range and people like you keep saying the v6 means FWD! get your hand off it! Go quick and buy a Typhoon, lock it in a shed somewhere, and make sure you lock yourself in there too! (without an internet connection)

Ford Oz have ahistory of doing alot with very little, theyll fiddle with the duratec, poach the TT and diesel versions of the engines, and well all forget about the inline6 real quick. Im not fussed and my nickname is INLINE6 FFS! :evil3:

[shepv8]

Originally Posted by Fordmuscle1965

Like you say its only recently that the engine is now quite decent and its taken 40 years to get there. So now lets throw it to the scrapyard and start again. :

Where to then for the beloved I6?. Keep spending money developing an engine for a car that is declining in sales in an australian only market?
Ford america knows all about the I6. Its expensive to make on the world scale, which is what all things are judged on.
This "keep the I6" logic is a crazy, bankrupt the business type of nostalgia.
I will be a blue oval supporter even if the falcon is a 3 cylinder diesel. I wont like it, though.
Jump ship then, my fair weather friends.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Inline6

Go quick and buy a Typhoon, lock it in a shed somewhere, and make sure you lock yourself in there too! (without an internet connection)

Well said.

[The Stylist]

I wonder what this decision means for the fantastic ZF 6 speed auto? 600 hundred jobs lost is a big number, however my understanding is that it hasn't been confirmed if they will eventually go or not.

[shepv8]

Originally Posted by Serial_Fool

The 3.3 was developed to combat holdens 4 cylinder commodore of the early 80's while the 4.1 easily were better than what was being offered from the competition at the time. And the Multipoint Injection 3.9 donk was the first falcon six to break into the 15's down the 1/4 in stock form. The VN V6 was a crap motor that replaced an excellent engine.

It was also quicker than the falcon by a long way whilst we are talking about 1/4 mile times

[matty220]

Got to say this is a real shame the i6 is one of the great engines and is an aussie icon its one of points of difference with the commodore i can honestly say having had the pleasure of driving a variety if i6 over the years which have included the XF,EA,AU,BA and now bf2 i have never had a monents worth of trouble with the i6 true they are a little rugged but they are just so reliable and so suited to this great country we live in there is no other engine that crunches the kilometres like the classic i6 out of the falcon, all i can say is as i started at the start, this is a real shame now we have an aussie car with an american heart just like our arch nemisis the crapadore not happy ford.

[outback_ute]

US 87 octane fuel is is equivalent to our 91 octane, it is a different system of measurement. 339Nm from 3.5L is pretty decent. Serial fool the 3.3L/200ci was around long before the 4cyl Commodore, a 200ci engine was the third ever put in the Falcon after the original 144 and the 170. These were replaced by a 188 & 221 for the XT and then the more well-known 200/3.3 & 250/4.1 with the XY, so the 3.3L engine of the XE era goes back to 1970

[XD 351 Ute]

Wow. Have just skimmed through this thread and there are multiple bits I'd like to quote on and reply to but there's probably no point, other than to feel better......

Sad to see the straight 6 go, even sadder to see the employees put through the ringer in the short term, but hopefully Ford will do the right thing by them.

Those that applaud the coming of the V6, need to consider that after the Orion, Falcon won't be Falcon anymore.
Having the different engine changes so many design aspects of the car (and Territory) we know now, that it's not funny.
The engineers won't have to make allowances for that big long 6, and it will change the character of the car far more than any Commodore-isation of it previously ever has.
Yes, it may be dragged onto the world stage re competitiveness, and cost and all the other advantages that people speak of, but now Falcon will be - 'Just another car'.

Lets just hope that the Australian bound allotment of the American V6's don't come from the same place that brought us the oil burning, US rejected Gen III Chev V8's, and that any sort of sporty new V6 Falcon doesn't sound like a VN onwards Commodore...............

It will be interesting to see what happens, so bring it on.

Ed

[MITCHAY]

Bloody hell anyone would think the sky is falling :

I think people are putting a lot of empathsis on engine configuration because the Commodore V6 is sh1thouse.

Just because that sucks doesn't mean that Ford will have a sh1thouse V6.

Nissan made awesome I6s and have now moved onto V6s. The potential of an engine lies with how it's engineered IMO

As for the jobs. Well I think 3yrs is plenty of notice that most others usually don't have the privlidge of!

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

As for the jobs. Well I think 3yrs is plenty of notice that most others usually don't have the privlidge of!

There were alot of disappointed Ford workers complaining (Id say bitching and moaning if I didnt feel just a little sorry for them) on ACA but theyve got 3 years to find alternate employment, Ford is going to/will probably hang on to most of them, and the state and fed govmnts will help them out as much as possible. People just love having a whinge! (there I said it)

[McobraR]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

The majority on these forums who have posted regarding this topic. A couple of hundred people.

Only? sheesh!

[4Vman]

Dont forget the Commodore went from I6 to V6 without a name change or the world ending... and it didnt hurt them one bit.... even after adopting buicks rejected engine!

[shepv8]

I think it may open a host of oppotunities for falcon buyers in terms of engine choice and spec.
This is the way of the future. I get the impression some people wish the falcon 6 still came with a carby and cast iron exhaust manifold. Not to mention cast iron head.

[lukep]

v6 twin turbo (xr6).its going to happen. :

[asusdragon]

i got a v6 rodeo, 3.5l (company car)and it yeah it has a bit of power once you get to bout 2500 but once it hits 4000 it sounds like , just all high pitch and it also squeals now this is not comparing to a the new falcon v6 just puting my 2c in