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04-08-2013, 09:40 PM | #181 | ||
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One thing that surprises me is the amount of Hilux's sold each month, they are consistently ranked last in comparisons with the Ranger, Triton, Amarok, Colorado and Navara, their drive line is old tech compared to the others ie 4 speed autos compared to 5 or 6 speeds, 126kw compared to 140 + kw of the others and 2500kg towing capacity compared to 3000-3500kg of the others and don't say because Toyota's reliability. My mate has a 2009 he bought new, he has replaced 4 injectors, fuel pump and common rail at a cost of $7000, unfortunately out of warranty.
Dealer network out in the bush may be the reason they sell so many.
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05-08-2013, 08:51 AM | #182 | |||
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05-08-2013, 09:19 AM | #183 | ||
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Was waiting for someone to point that out, well done!
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05-08-2013, 09:44 AM | #184 | |||
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When you're this sort of buyer, who cares about kilowatt figures or towing capacity? You want good servicing, reliability, price, and to be blunt, an "old tech" driveline is going to be more serviceable and probably reliable in harsh conditions than something filled with electronics. Swedish cars? Yes, the Swedish taxpayer does contribute and their industry does fairly well...apart from SAAB which comprehensively fell on it's bum, that must have cost them. However, they are a massive exporter of cars. If Volvo, for example, were a purely internal, "sold only in the country it's made" market like Ford here, they absolutely wouldn't be able to survive in such a small country. Simply expecting the taxpayer to keep pouring money into something for the frankly false notion that there's something magical about being able to make a car in your country isn't facing reality. We're a tiny country with a tiny population and our yearly car manufacturing numbers don't even make a blip on the international radar. Pretending we're some big big powerhouse of international car making is just fooling ourselves and lying to the public. |
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05-08-2013, 09:59 AM | #185 | |||
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05-08-2013, 10:00 AM | #186 | ||
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SAAB went under because they were different..People didn't accept their quirkiness...
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05-08-2013, 10:14 AM | #187 | |||
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I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of months after FH sales date, its all over. If FH doesn't pick up sales then there is their excuse. A terrible way to end the Falcon name, but I don't think anyone at Ford cares anymore. They just want Mustang here ASAP. The decision has been made and if Falcon withers quicker it supports those in management who decided to kill it. |
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05-08-2013, 10:16 AM | #188 | |||
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05-08-2013, 10:21 AM | #189 | |||
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Seems Holden who sell an awful lot more Commodores then Ford does Falcon, disagree with your analysis. |
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05-08-2013, 01:07 PM | #190 | ||
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Any news on the figures yet?
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05-08-2013, 01:08 PM | #191 | ||
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Figures thanks to caradvice: http://www.caradvice.com.au/244916/c...rs-and-losers/
1. Toyota Corolla – 3945 Mazda 3 – 3464 Toyota HiLux – 2971 Holden Commodore – 2827 Holden Cruze – 2467 Hyundai i30 – 2290 Toyota Camry – 2061 Ford Ranger – 1781 Mitsubishi Triton – 1766 10. Holden Colorado – 1694 Focus: 1514 Falcon: 594 Mondeo: 429 Territory: 966 |
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05-08-2013, 01:14 PM | #192 | ||
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Toyota Corolla – 3945
Mazda 3 – 3464 Holden Cruze – 2467 Hyundai i30 – 2290 Then Focus 1514 WTF - why aren't they above 2000? Is it because of the media has beaten Ford's Brand name to a pulp? It is just as good car as all the others - why isn't above 2000?
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05-08-2013, 01:22 PM | #193 | ||
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05-08-2013, 01:28 PM | #194 | |||
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What's the price difference between a Focus and a Corolla though? In that area of car sales, people look at price and running costs, as well as what;s included in the purchase price and what isn't. In my region, a quick look shows manual Focus's are priced from $19000 at the moment for the base model up to about $27000 for the sport hatch. The Corolla is $19990 to $23000. Now, just looking at the bare figures, it doesn't seem like much...but when there's such a huge difference between the top level model of both, it makes a difference. Also, remember those are manual prices for the Focus...how much extra does Ford sting you for an auto, a very popular gearbox these days? With Toyota it's a couple of grand extra on all models, probably the same with Ford. And no one but fleet buyers purchases the base models anyway, so it's probably fairer to look at the mid range to high end models. Add to that the excellent reputation that Toyota has for reliability and running costs, and it;s easy to see why so many people buy them. Not to mention that whatever they put in the water for the designers of the amazing 86 has obviously filtered down to the designers of the new Corolla...it's a great looking little thing now while (sorry) the Focus still looks a little ho-hum. Last edited by 2011G6E; 05-08-2013 at 01:33 PM. |
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05-08-2013, 02:05 PM | #195 | ||
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I have no idea whether the Swedish auto industry is good or bad. I’m arguing that if the government is going to give out money (our money, because all government money is our money) it should at the very least stay in Australia.
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05-08-2013, 02:39 PM | #196 | |||
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Subsidy per head of population (AUD)=181 Current Australian population approx. 23,132,000 Current Australian subsidy approx. 1,380,000,000 Subsidy per head of population (AUD)=59.66 Fast forward to now: "Volvo cars are now owned by the Chinese," says Sweden's former prime minister and now Foreign Minister Carl Bildt. "And that's fine," he says. "Saab as a maker of cars no longer exists" after its bankruptcy. Its assets were bought by a Sino-Japanese consortium and are now used to make electric cars only. "There were enormous calls for the government to step in" to keep it afloat, says Bildt. But they were resisted: "Subsidies give industry a false sense of security, and then they don't change sufficiently. They just demand more subsidies and eventually collapse."
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05-08-2013, 02:45 PM | #197 | ||
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Isn't that pretty consistent with the rest of the year?
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05-08-2013, 02:46 PM | #198 | |||
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Rubbish. Take that 1.38 bill and change that subsidy to an annual subsidy per head. As i've said you are really trolling here. Big thumbs down ! |
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05-08-2013, 02:53 PM | #200 | ||
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05-08-2013, 02:55 PM | #201 | |||
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focus could sell more but at least it is a consistent number. Now Ford need to expand the range (Kuga a good start) to begin upping their numbers once Falcon and Territory disappear.
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05-08-2013, 03:26 PM | #203 | ||
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OUCH! http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/f...805-2r8uo.html
Ford will scale back production of its Falcon in the lead-up to the federal election after recording the model's worst sales performance in history. The iconic Australian-built large car has slumped to an all-time low, selling just 594 sedans in July according to VFacts sales figures released on Monday, just months after the company announced it will close down its Broadmeadows and Geelong manufacturing facilities in 2016. Ford says last month's proposed FBT adjustments had a major impact on Falcon sales at the end of July and has arranged with the Manufacturers Workers Union to roster 12 ''down days'' in August and September to prevent excess inventory. "Falcon was impacted by the proposed FBT changes in July," Ford spokesperson Sinead Phipps told Drive. "And we imagine that will stay the same until the election is decided and whether the legislation is confirmed through Parliament. "As a result, we have negotiated with the unions to take a number of down days through August and September and we will continue to monitor the situation after that." To put the result in context, Toyota sold just five fewer of its 86 sports coupes - the reigning Drive Car of the Year - in July while the Falcon's arch rival, the Holden Commodore, moved back into the top 10 position with its best monthly result for the new VF model with 2827 sales last month. It wasn't all bad news for Ford though, with the blue oval maintaining fifth place in overall sales with above average growth of 7.5 per cent on the back of strong performances for its Ranger ute and Focus small car. |
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05-08-2013, 03:36 PM | #204 | ||
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^^ Like watching a terminally-ill patient withering away in hospital.
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05-08-2013, 04:00 PM | #206 | ||
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Was $1.18 billion per year in 2010-2011 (according to the Productivity Commission 2019-2011 trade and assistance review) plus the $200million just announced. Given that I used the 2013 population figures happy to revise to approx. $62 per person per annum.
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$ 200 mil is not per year. What is the "assistance per year 2012 /2013 ? I forgot, you 're good at cut and paste, but that detail won't be there on some site for you to copy will it ? Like I've said you are a troll. Oops sorry mathematician |
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05-08-2013, 04:37 PM | #208 | ||
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SAAB was taken over 100% by GM in 2000 (Then sold to Spyker in 2010)
GM destroyed what was left of SAAB with mediocrity. On topic- Good month for Holden Cruze and Commodore
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05-08-2013, 05:11 PM | #209 | |||
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Too many people think tariffs and protectionism somehow magically solve an industries woes...and really don't like it when the harsh facts of life are pointed out. Motoring journalists who point it out are really hated, saying they're "knocking the Australian industry"...no they're not...they're just stating the facts of economic life. |
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05-08-2013, 05:18 PM | #210 | ||
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