Riots on Princess HWY tonight because of the cancellation of easternats

[XWildGT]

Originally Posted by TruBlu351

Damn cameras!

i think these guys ate to much kfc from next door

[Keepleft]

Bloke in red shirt with fag and baseball bat looks a right horror.

Larger fella with brain injury clearly has a high IQ, he'll join Labor.


Damned camera's alright: -)

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by GTpilot

Best post in this waste of a thread.
Rather than coming here carrying on about how you don't condone this behaviour, make it a worthwile moment of your time and email a media outlet as Jack and Col have done. But please, think about what you write and how you say it. Don't rant, rave and carry on just like the brainless clowns of last nights antics.

This is a forum, a car forum and this topic is very relevant. The purpose of a forum is to communicate ones thoughts, feelings, opinions. So all the comments posted here are not a waste.

[LTDHO]

If you were to look at any of the pic's or videos from that night, you would know it was (supposed) to be about a car event.

Car enthusiests have a look which these guys don't have.

Who takes a baseball bad to a thing like this?

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

Who takes a baseball bat to a thing like this?

Someone who’s already made up their mind about what they’re planning to do, although, the baseball bat was probably in his car because he was on his way home from baseball training. That’s what he'll tell the coppers.

[Jason[98.EL]]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

If you were to look at any of the pic's or videos from that night, you would know it was (supposed) to be about a car event.

Car enthusiests have a look which these guys don't have.

Who takes a baseball bad to a thing like this?

Car enthusiests have a look which these guys don't have.

I have been looking at a heap of the vids and one thing i can't see is the hundreds of cars that were meant to have taken over the street. All i see is the morons that trashed the bjtm store

Who takes a baseball bad to a thing like this?

Only a moron that is going to this to cause trouble

Originally Posted by SpoolMan

Anyone wanting send a message supporting a motorsport complex here is a link to our Premier in Victoria as others have done you can do it here.
Be heard properly.
http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/share...-melbourne.html

Anyone wanting to get behind motorvate the organization that is trying to get a motor-sport complex in Vic can get info here.
ANDRA are backing this motorvate organization.
http://www.motorvatemelbourne.com/

that i think is really the only way we will get our message out that not all car enthusiests are thugs like these morons have portrayed us to be

Jason

[GTpilot]

Originally Posted by xdc351

Email a media outlet? If this is the best we can manage, we are totally screwed.

Melbournes car enthusists are trying to get a new venue built. These idiots have done nothing towards making that happen.

By sending an email voicing disapproval at Fridays nights antics as TRUE car enthusists, we need to seperate ourselves from those idiots. Thats all it will achieve and will be a step back in the right directon. Perhaps cc you local member of parliment as well.

[GTpilot]

Originally Posted by Redrum

This is a forum, a car forum and this topic is very relevant. The purpose of a forum is to communicate ones thoughts, feelings, opinions. So all the comments posted here are not a waste.

So in the 7 odd pages that this thred is long, What positives has it achieved??

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by GTpilot

Melbournes car enthusists are trying to get a new venue built. These idiots have done nothing towards making that happen.

By sending an email voicing disapproval at Fridays nights antics as TRUE car enthusists, we need to seperate ourselves from those idiots. Thats all it will achieve and will be a step back in the right directon. Perhaps cc you local member of parliment as well.

Its a worthwhile agenda, but IMO the only way you'll get broad public support (therefore govt backing) for another "motorsport venue" is if it caters to circuit as well as a strip and predominantly for driver training/ed/ vehicle enjoyment and take the focus off burnouts and drag racing and HEAVILY promote it as a family friendly sport and driver training.. then you might have a hope.
Id like to see a DECA style venue in metro melb with a road simulated circuit where young drivers can learn to handle and enjoy their cars in similar situations to what they'll experience on public roads...

If you make it out to be a clandestine burnout/drag racing ONLY venue the whole group will get "pigeon holed" as a "hoon" venue and you'll have no hope... and there will be public outcry about spending govt money rewarding "hoons"...

Just my opinion.

[ltd_on20s]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I agree Mark, but look at the numbers of the 2 groups.... Govt's look after majority groups, not small "rebelious" minority groups...

exclusive bretheren

scientology

and i could name many more "minority" rebellious groups the overnment looks after.

why are they looked after? cashed up, well organised, and don't take ************ from the government.

oh, and also organised across the country. something we are not.

[ltd_on20s]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

We live in a democratic society, not a socialist society, Bob Jane owns his properties, not the govt.
What he does with them, rightly or wrongly in our eyes is his own business and right.
Maybe Bob should just sell them to developers and turn them into housing so all those who complain wont have anyone to complain about?
Id like someone to give me a couple of million dollars too, but carrying on wont make it anymore likely to happen.....

Like it or not we're a minority group, those looking for more motorsport facilites or these kind of events are an even smaller minority group, like it or not Govt's pander to the majority groups who control votes and get them elected.

SA has a private consortium ready to buy public land for a track well away from residential areas and with no government money.

no bob jane involed

no dirty pollies involved.

the SA government told them to get stuffed.

whats the only way to make the government listen? picket SA parliment house and shut down the cbd.

within a week the issue will get sorted.

non violent civil disobediance is also a "democratic" right.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by GTpilot

So in the 7 odd pages that this thred is long, What positives has it achieved??

You had your chance to say what you think. What is wrong with others bouncing their thoughts and ideas around?

[GTpilot]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Its a worthwhile agenda, but IMO the only way you'll get broad public support (therefore govt backing) for another "motorsport venue" is if it caters to circuit as well as a strip and predominantly for driver training/ed/ vehicle enjoyment and take the focus off burnouts and drag racing and HEAVILY promote it as a family friendly sport and driver training.. then you might have a hope.
Id like to see a DECA style venue in metro melb with a road simulated circuit where young drivers can learn to handle and enjoy their cars in similar situations to what they'll experience on public roads...

If you make it out to be a clandestine burnout/drag racing ONLY venue the whole group will get "pigeon holed" as a "hoon" venue and you'll have no hope... and there will be public outcry about spending govt money rewarding "hoons"...

Just my opinion.

I could not agree more and I'm not saying sending an email is the ONLY thing to do.
Lindsay Fox is interested in building a GP track down at Laverton. Would be good to leverage on something like that and turn it into a silverstone style complex with drag strip, skid pan, multiple short circuits etc. This would also cater for MANY different motorsport events, circuit racing, drags, V8 Supercars.
The reality for Melbourne is it wont be long before Sandown is lost and we are left with Bob Janes tyre dump and PI. It a pity there is not a real solution to the PI access problem with out billions being spent.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by ltd_on20s

SA has a private consortium ready to buy public land for a track well away from residential areas and with no government money.

even if the private consortium will buy the land at the current market value - is it possible that the government may be planning to hold onto it for 10?? more years so the value is double or more than it is now. maybe they have budgeted this land for the future earnings. even though this land may be well away from residential areas at present, could they be planning to extend the residential areas out toward this land

there is no easy answer for any of this. real car enthusiasts are in the minority. having a purpose built place will not stop hooning. there are many questions that need to be both asked and answered before it can go ahead. unfortunately for car fans, not allowing a facility will not get the government voted out at the next election. seen to be looking after hoons however, could be a grave mistake when the next election comes around

it would be great if all states had a purpose built area, but in the year 2010, there are so many considerations. money, return on investment, what effect it will really have on road safety, noise levels etc. and it is just so much easier for the goverment not to allow it. it may not fair for alot of people. having a track may be a great idea, but at present it is a safer bet to not allow it

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by ltd_on20s

SA has a private consortium ready to buy public land for a track well away from residential areas and with no government money.

no bob jane involed

no dirty pollies involved.

the SA government told them to get stuffed.

whats the only way to make the government listen? picket SA parliment house and shut down the cbd.

within a week the issue will get sorted.

non violent civil disobediance is also a "democratic" right.

Look at the latest election results.. looks like Rann is back, so clearly the voice might be loud but the numbers of support arent there....
Creating an anarchy will further alienate you from the people who have the ability to get this across the line... the broader voting public.

Get them on side and you'll get your venue, do stupid things like rioting or close down the CBD , which IS civil disobedience and you've got NO HOPE EVER....

[GTpilot]

Originally Posted by Redrum

You had your chance to say what you think. What is wrong with others bouncing their thoughts and ideas around?

.......and YOU have said what YOU think too, Obviously YOUR opinion differs to mine, I don't see anything wrong with that, do you??
I suggest its best we leave it at that huh. :

[Qwikcorty]

there has been nearly 5000 views to this thread, but there is only 1700 or so votes for a new venue.

http://premier.vic.gov.au/share-your-ideas.html#content

It only takes 5 mins

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Qwikcorty

there has been nearly 5000 views to this thread, but there is only 1700 or so votes for a new venue.

http://premier.vic.gov.au/share-your-ideas.html#content

It only takes 5 mins

You cant force people to support something they dont believe in or dont agree with or dont have enough information to make a decision about...

[Spanrz]

I'm just looking at both pieces of the pie.

Originally Posted by bcnyah351

Bob Jane did not cancell the event the promotor did

You know, what sparked this issue.....Jon Davison's letter. Badly worded and to the point.

From where I sit, reading http://www.easternats.com.au/ main page, quite clearly states Bob Jane was involved (regardless of how).
Because of the nature of business, he said what had to be said, but it has left the reader "assuming" of who to blame.
Jon's wordings, put BJ at the forefront and made it look like BJ "had" some control over Easternats at Calder.

And it tells me that the association (Easternats), could not obtain a venue (Calder Park) for what ever reason. Again, showing an "assumption" that BJ is the bad guy for not allowing it.

"It is with deep regret that I wish to advise that as a result of our inability to finalise a satisfactory contract for the staging of The EASTERNATS with Bob Jane and Calder Park, the event is cancelled for 2010."

But from the media reports and BJ, say that they had nothing to do with Easternats?? (correct me if I'm wrong)
Why the naming in the media release, if BJ had "nothing to do with it"?????

Why does Jon Davison clearly show there was a collaboration?? (again, just showing that he was involved somehow)

IMHO, a badly worded document, that started this mess. Unforunately BJ has been named in it, and most probably everyone has thought BJ has cancelled it on Easternats, not the other way round.

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by Spanrz

I'm just looking at both pieces of the pie.

You know, what sparked this issue.....Jon Davison's letter. Badly worded and to the point.

From where I sit, reading http://www.easternats.com.au/ main page, quite clearly states Bob Jane was involved (regardless of how).
Because of the nature of business, he said what had to be said, but it has left the reader "assuming" of who to blame.
Jon's wordings, put BJ at the forefront and made it look like BJ "had" some control over Easternats at Calder.

And it tells me that the association (Easternats), could not obtain a venue (Calder Park) for what ever reason. Again, showing an "assumption" that BJ is the bad guy for not allowing it.

"It is with deep regret that I wish to advise that as a result of our inability to finalise a satisfactory contract for the staging of The EASTERNATS with Bob Jane and Calder Park, the event is cancelled for 2010."

But from the media reports and BJ, say that they had nothing to do with Easternats?? (correct me if I'm wrong)
Why the naming in the media release, if BJ had "nothing to do with it"?????

Why does Jon Davison clearly show there was a collaboration?? (again, just showing that he was involved somehow)

IMHO, a badly worded document, that started this mess. Unforunately BJ has been named in it, and most probably everyone has thought BJ has cancelled it on Easternats, not the other way round.

And whats a badly worded media release have to do rioting???

I'll say it again : The RIOT had nothing to do with the cancellation of EASTERNATS...... IT WAS AN EXCUSE to act like a pack of moronic ************** in public.
This was a get together of anti-social mis-fits....

You DON'T organise a "protest" at 11.30PM and wear hoodies and bring base ball bats....

These im-mature morons just needed an excuse to get together.

Some of you dont even seem remotely interested in distancing yourself from this group. By continually calling it a "protest" your saying it was a legitimate event.

[XR8GRL]

Originally Posted by Spanrz

IMHO, a badly worded document, that started this mess. Unforunately BJ has been named in it, and most probably everyone has thought BJ has cancelled it on Easternats, not the other way round.

Badly worded or not, how many people read it and thought to themselves, let's rally up 2000 people to start a riot and cause damage to someones business, bring a baseball bat and set off flares.

These morons are not car enthusiasts, they were looking for an excuse for trouble and they succeeded.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

And whats a badly worded media release have to do rioting???

I'll say it again : The RIOT had nothing to do with the cancellation of EASTERNATS...... IT WAS AN EXCUSE to act like a pack of moronic ************** in public.
This was a get together of anti-social mis-fits....

You DON'T organise a "protest" at 11.30PM and wear hoodies and bring base ball bats....

These im-mature morons just needed an excuse to get together.

Some of you dont even seem remotely interested in distancing yourself from this group. By continually calling it a "protest" your saying it was a legitimate event.

There inlies the problem... people masquerading themselves as "genuine car enthusiasts" when infact they're anything but that..... and it comes out in peoples attitude... without them even realising it.

[bangm001]

Why didnt bob jane sell the Adelaide International Raceway when he had a chance to 8 years back..? If he did his name wouldnt have been still on the racetrack that hasnt had a comp meeting for 10 years.

[gtxb67]

in my opinion if they were not 100% sure the event was going to happen, they should not have promoted it. from what i have seen at the easternats, the common type of entrant/spectator is more than capable of participating in anti social behavour if there are enough of them to stand arm in arm. the rest are quite willing to stand a couple of feet back from the main morons and encourage them
i am not sure how anyone envisaged a different outcome from the event being cancelled so close to the weekend
that being said, the main protaganists and even the people encourging them should be held very accountable. however, with our pathetic legal system that will not happen

in summary of my views, the promotors should have known the event was catering to alot of boofheads and therefore cancelling would only have created this scenario

of course my views are slightly biased, as i believe jon davison, bob jane and the boofheads only act for themselves and no one else

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by bangm001

Why didnt bob jane sell the Adelaide International Raceway when he had a chance to 8 years back..? If he did his name wouldnt have been still on the racetrack that hasnt had a comp meeting for 10 years.

i am just guessing but the land is probably worth twice as much now and in another 10 years will probably have doubled again. whether i think highly of him or not does not mean he cannot do what he please with his land to further his financial interest. i am sure he has alot of family that he wishes to keep wealthy for as long as possible

[ltd_on20s]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Look at the latest election results.. looks like Rann is back, so clearly the voice might be loud but the numbers of support arent there....
Creating an anarchy will further alienate you from the people who have the ability to get this across the line... the broader voting public.

Get them on side and you'll get your venue, do stupid things like rioting or close down the CBD , which IS civil disobedience and you've got NO HOPE EVER....

see thats the defeatist mentality there.

how did gays, who are still a "minority" get heard huh?

how diud taxi drivers get extra safety aids funded by the government?

by civil disobediance.

where did i say anyone had to riot?

[ltd_on20s]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Get them on side and you'll get your venue, do stupid things like rioting or close down the CBD , which IS civil disobedience and you've got NO HOPE EVER....

you really live in fantasy land sometimes don't you....

[wulos]

Closure of events like this happens right across the country (often on the day of the event due to wet weather - noone to blame there. Hard to riot against a stormcloud I guess)
NSW members may remember Revfest which was set for Cessnock Airport & was cancelled not once, but twice, after having collected entrants fees as well...No talk of civil disobedience there...How about closure of Amaroo Park / Oran Park, or any number of speedway venues? I'm sure that there's been event cancelations elsewhere as well, but for the life of me can't remember too much in the way of a venue closure / event cancelation causing riots.
It would seem to me that there must have been other 'catalysts' that contributed to the recent(?) events in Oakleigh. Are we truely focusing on the right issue(s) here??

[Spanrz]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

And whats a badly worded media release have to do rioting???

I'll say it again : The RIOT had nothing to do with the cancellation of EASTERNATS...... IT WAS AN EXCUSE to act like a pack of moronic ************** in public.
This was a get together of anti-social mis-fits....

A riot is the secondary motion to a protest, particularly when the "voice" isn't heard.

As a hunter many years ago, I have been on the "rioting" end of a peaceful protest, mind you it was at 6am.
I didn't mind the protest (peaceful that is), but just don't walk up to me yelling obscenaties and getting touchy feely with me, whilst I am holding a firearm in knee deep of water.
Not the done thing, particularly, when the protester is illegally there.
I've seen 3 people nearly get killed, because of a protester thought it was a good idea to overturn a boat. 2 hunters in the water and a boat doing 360's flat out wasn't such a wise move for the protester.

Anyway, if the media release said that "Easternats will not be held this year due to not securing a proper venue", I'd doubt that a riot would have happened to BJ's store.
I'd say there would be a highly likelyhood of meets with street drags in protest, rather than rioting a store.

Some people out there (jeez I don't know why), just want to fight and punch heads in for kicks.

But these moronic idjit's read that media release and because of the bad comprehension skills, misread it as BJ was at fault, so we take it out on BJ.
Misfits is the word, like the "bad spelrz at skool".

[mrbaxr6t]

My father has paid his easternats entry fee and has organized everything in which to attend the event some monies he has paid is non-refundable so the cancellation will hit him personally in the hip pocket - but I can assure you he was not in attendance at this storm of crap which even I feel is a terribly pathetic display of behavior. I for one cannot believe that people in Melbourne acting out like this people in other states (SA for one) have had it far worse for much longer than Victorians in Melbourne. And furthermore try even living in regional Victoria where there is zero place to enjoy your machines, you have to make the trek to Melbourne to do so these things are on the doorstep of Melbourne and still they act out. And for the record getting to Calder park for me and others in my area is a headscrew of biblical proportions - I was at sandown at the easternats the final year. It got cancelled because of one individual ripping a burnout where he wasn't supposed to with even others in cars around him telling him to stop, but he refused to listen so it got flicked from sandown.

And on the topic of Sandown raceway who the hell buys a residential property right near it when the racetrack pre-dates EVERYTHING built around it? it was there first yet the land surrounding it was developed and then people come in and started crying. They got the properties cheap because of the racetrack then they sook and cry and whinge and moan to get the motorsport activities stopped to bump up their property values. People that set out with this intention are scum. Don't want to live near a racetrack? BUY SOMEWHERE ELSE. Why should motorsport cease at such a good venue as sandown? I can see sandown being the next loss of a motorsport complex. That is a real shame.

I am rapidly approaching trading my stuff in for a camry so then I can be accepted by society and not shunned anymore it seems every time I drive my car people look at it with such hatred even though I am doing nothing illegal my car is registered and is roadworthy but still this hatred from the community, and I fear after this display it is only to get worse. Keep a low profile AFF members.