USA Riots

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Apparently floyd had a higher dose of fentanyl in his blood than most od cases. And meth. Plus he had covid 19.

The lawyers for the cop will be having a field day with that. Expect more riots if they are acquitted.

So what? It doesn't change the fact that a cop kept his knee into his neck when he was already on the ground in cuffs.

To be crystal clear it does not matter what he did or not do. He was a victim of excessive force. The bloke died for at worst a fake $20 bill.

[LG17]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I understand the jumping on the swell of support from the US because Indigenous causes doesn't usually rate here.

Indigenous Australians are very vulnerable to Covid-19, let alone the rest. I'm all for protests but it may be a health disaster in the making. I hope I'm wrong

Anyone who participates in these protests at this time deserve to catch the virus. They think they're above everything the respective governments have been trying to do to ensure our health.

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

So what? It doesn't change the fact that a cop kept his knee into his neck when he was already on the ground in cuffs.

To be crystal clear it does not matter what he did or not do. He was a victim of excessive force. The bloke died for at worst a fake $20 bill.

Cop had 18 complaints against him, including 6 for involvment in "problematic shootings", no evidence yet on previous racist behaviour. Can't confirm this but Amy Klobuchar was prosecutor when some of those complaints were lodged. If she has covered for him her political career is toast.

In the hearing into the aubrey shooting racist remarks by the son and the cameraman on social media have been admitted as evidence. Some evidence also that they may have tried to run him over with the car before the shooting.

Isn't that part of the warning "What you say can be used against you." Guess it also applies to things said in the past.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by falcon_bandit

"From 1976 to 2005, 94 percent of black victims were killed by other African Americans"

Is it possible to protest against yourself?

Doesn’t fit the narrative. Playing the victim is easier.

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

So what? It doesn't change the fact that a cop kept his knee into his neck when he was already on the ground in cuffs.

To be crystal clear it does not matter what he did or not do. He was a victim of excessive force. The bloke died for at worst a fake $20 bill.

What he did was wrong, but if they can claim the other things were contributing factors in his death they might very well be able to put enough doubt into the juries mind to acquit.

[russellw]

The actual real statistics paint an interesting picture if you look at all deaths per 100k of population.

The US National rate is 725.4 for Whites, 852.9 (+15%) for blacks and only 420.2 for 'other' races so you could statically argue that the rate of death for whites is disproportionate.

Of course, that is likely not correct given the fact that those figures are for deaths from all causes.

West Virginia, Kentucky and Alabama have the highest rate for white deaths, all over 900 / 100k while the District of Colombia (398), Hawaii (623) and Minnesota (639) have the lowest.

Two of those States (WV and Alabama) also appear in the top 10 for black deaths with West Virginia the highest (1,075) with the next couple being Missouri (1020) and Mississippi (1,020) with Wisconsin also just over 1,000. The differential in WV is slightly lower than the national average at 12%.

South Dakota (1,340), Montana (1,130) and North Dakota (1,118) have the highest rates for other races.

Vermont (388), New Hampshire (446) and North Dakota (450) have the lowest black deaths per 100k. New Hampshire and Vermont also have the lowest rate for other races at 226 and 241 / 100k respectively.

Let's pause there for a moment. It sounds stupid but:

If you are of any race other than black or white, you are 3.45x more likely to die in South Dakota than you are in Vermont;

If you are white you have a 2.39x greater chance of dying in West Virginia rather than DC;

If you are black you have a 2.77x greater chance of dying in West Virginia rather than Vermont.

The statistical conclusion is don't live in West Virginia frankly.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Just started my job in the CBD. Desk is at street level 5m from Pitt st.

Hundreds of protesters are walking past ever minute. All races, most with masks wearing black. Some with placards.

Driving into town there was a heavy police presence.

See what happens...

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by russellw

Let's pause there for a moment. It sounds stupid but:
If you are of any race other than black or white, you are 3.45x more likely to die in South Dakota than you are in Vermont;

That will be the Coyote's.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

The population has a large group that are unemployed, broke, angry, scared and bored after being restricted for months.

Its a tinderbox that was waiting for that spark.. and when they finally got it the wildfire erupted with uncontrollable anger.

I'm sure there is a % of people that fit that category.

Fair enough.

I'm also sure a large % are protesting for the sake of protesting to get a thrill, something to join into etc.

[russellw]

A bit of a dive into the homicide statistics paint a different picture.

These are national figures from the CDC for 2017 and all rates are per 100k of population in each racial group:

Asian or Pacific Islander 1.7
White 2.7
White (not Hispanic or Latino) 2.9
Black or African American 3.6
Hispanic or Latino 5.2
American Indian or Alaskan 6.3
National Average all races 6.2 (Males 9.85, female 2.5)
Black (not Hispanic or Latino) 22.7

I need to drill down on those definitions a bit.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by russellw

A bit of a dive into the homicide statistics paint a different picture.

These are national figures from the CDC for 2017 and all rates are per 100k of population in each racial group:

Asian or Pacific Islander 1.7
White 2.7
White (not Hispanic or Latino) 2.9
Black or African American 3.6
Hispanic or Latino 5.2
American Indian or Alaskan 6.3
National Average all races 6.2 (Males 9.85, female 2.5)
Black (not Hispanic or Latino) 22.7

I need to drill down on those definitions a bit.

Yes, curious as to the difference between the 2 highlighted?

[roddy1960]

The whole thing is a dogs breakfast.. This can get a lot worse on two fronts . If , God Forbid the four cops aren't convicted it'll all erupt again ..Can see that happening big time . The second thing is that the US Covid 19 has increased in 21 States again and with all this social unrest it'll just make it even worse. Bloody Trump and his almost martial law stupidity just inciting the whole thing even more . America is a total mess .

We can't talk ...Our mob aren't exactly cleanskins on this too . What about that cop that kicked the feet from under the 17.y.o just the other day and a whole bunch of deaths in custody cases over the years for our indigenous folk . Then today thousands here go and mass in crowds . Don't be surprised if some of the hard work and sacrifice with virus control is upset with a spike in places now too... All triggered by a stupid Minneapolis gung ho cop ant the gutless wonders who stood by and watched him suffocate an already controlled man.

2020 is going down in a screaming heap right in front of us .

[Franco Cozzo]

Well, I guess the rest of the decade we can only go up from here

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Well, I guess the rest of the decade we can only go up from here

Dow Jones up two thousand points in the last 5 days and around 2.5 million jobs added in May.



Stormed into town thinking he was John Wick

Chased out wearing a pair of shorts and a shoe.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

The whole thing is a dogs breakfast.. This can get a lot worse on two fronts . If , God Forbid the four cops aren't convicted it'll all erupt again ..Can see that happening big time.

The Minnesota AG has come out and said its going to be hard to convict the police. Looking at some of the footages of how they treat protestors, it appears a lot of them know they are invincible and will be protected by the system.



This is what a rubber bullet to the face looks like (warning, its graphic). They are suppose to aim at the lower body according to the Geneva Human Rights guidelines. Instead they are shooting people in the head.

https://twitter.com/stonecold2050/st...000896/photo/1

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

The whole thing is a dogs breakfast.. This can get a lot worse on two fronts . If , God Forbid the four cops aren't convicted it'll all erupt again ..Can see that happening big time . The second thing is that the US Covid 19 has increased in 21 States again and with all this social unrest it'll just make it even worse. Bloody Trump and his almost martial law stupidity just inciting the whole thing even more . America is a total mess .

We can't talk ...Our mob aren't exactly cleanskins on this too . What about that cop that kicked the feet from under the 17.y.o just the other day and a whole bunch of deaths in custody cases over the years for our indigenous folk . Then today thousands here go and mass in crowds . Don't be surprised if some of the hard work and sacrifice with virus control is upset with a spike in places now too... All triggered by a stupid Minneapolis gung ho cop ant the gutless wonders who stood by and watched him suffocate an already controlled man.

2020 is going down in a screaming heap right in front of us .

You mean that same kid that told the cop he was going to crack him in the jaw? Smartarse little ***** got what he deserved, then cried about it. There is a difference between police brutality and just desserts. Maybe next time he will learn to shut his mouth.

Bleeding heart soft cocks always have to step in a defend them though.

[CoupeKing]

This is why they will never give their guns up, and will never be invaded.

[marty351]

Roddy 2034- Bloody Trump and his almost martial law stupidity just inciting the whole thing even more . America is a total mess .
Trumpy, Trumpy, Trumpy....

Blaming Trump for any of this is akin to blaming an iceberg fot Titanic's sinking.

Who's in charge of all this baby....


Shine ya shoes guv'na.

[superyob]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

So what? It doesn't change the fact that a cop kept his knee into his neck when he was already on the ground in cuffs.

To be crystal clear it does not matter what he did or not do. He was a victim of excessive force. The bloke died for at worst a fake $20 bill.

The 'bloke' according to some sources, was a violent criminal who once robbed a pregnant woman while holding a gun to her belly. I have no sympathy for him at all. It does not take long for the criminal records of these 'victims' to emerge...

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by superyob

The 'bloke' according to some sources, was a violent criminal who once robbed a pregnant woman while holding a gun to her belly. I have no sympathy for him at all. It does not take long for the criminal records of these 'victims' to emerge...

Same sources as the Pizza Shop story ?

[roddy1960]

So , who's going to get a sainthood organised for Trump then . He's the greatest of the world leaders , great diplomat , fantastic orator , solved all the world problems , nobody living in poverty , no drug issues , everybody living in harmony in the U.S . etc etc...hardly anybody falling victim to the virus ...Go and ask Trump , he'll tell ya how good he is .

I'll just duck off and start polishing his halo .

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

So , who's going to get a sainthood organised for Trump then . He's the greatest of the world leaders , great diplomat , fantastic orator , solved all the world problems , nobody living in poverty , no drug issues , everybody living in harmony in the U.S . etc etc...hardly anybody falling victim to the virus ...Go and ask Trump , he'll tell ya how good he is .

I'll just duck off and start polishing his halo .

Better get the heavy duty polish, polls show Trump well behind in some of the marginal states where he won previously. Still early days yet, 150 days to go.

Demonstrations in Brisbane yesterday were well attended, lots of mask wearing, the mob seemed to be clear the issue was black deaths in custody here in Oz. I worry that some are not too sure and think they are American citizens sometimes. Someone decided to graffiti the wall of the local cop shop as they marched past but the coppers let that pass which seemed a smart move to me. Most of the public buildings in that area have a silicon coating so it just washes off with a hose.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I'm not sure if you've seen Melbourne protests in the last 5 years but the Public Order Response Team are out in huge numbers dressed up and with officers on horses

They look pretty menacing, keep in mind this is a protest organised by an Aboriginal mob about human rights issues in the USA so out of the 40,000 expected attendees 75% of them will be white, Doc Martens wearing blue haired lesbians from Brunswick, 20% will be their male equivalents and the last 5% will be alt right neckbeards trying to antagonise the Lesbians in a counter protest.

If they can have their protest then I want Crown Casino open again.

I don't mind them exercising their right to protest, as long as they keep it clean, if they start smashing up Melbourne then I support them being tear gassed, your average Melbourne performative activists that turn up to these things they generally wouldn't harm a fly so they just tend to jam up the CBD and be pests

So basically there was no to minimal violence in Melbourne at the protest - they're generally just bleeding hearts trying to save the world by being pests in the CBD with signs and slogans.

But it brings me to my next point

I think it's bull**** how Victoria Police came out fining people for doing driving lessons with their parents, someone washing their car at 1AM on a weekday, couple of guys watching a movie in the car, people playing video games with their friends, restaurants in trouble for having too many people inside etc.

We've had our hospitality industry decimated and have millions of our arts community out of work on the bones of their asses.

But you want to protest something happening in another country then feel free to turn out in the tens of thousands breaking these social distancing regulations and get a free pass from the government and the police.

I support everyone's right to protest regardless of how inane I think the subject is but if that's OK then bring back brothels, the pubs, restaurants and cafes, strip clubs and the mighty Crown Casino.

[Tickford.]

It's funny that people were calling for the protests yesterday against indigenous deaths in custody to be stopped for "health reasons", but not too long ago (when restrictions were tighter) there were protests by anti-vax's/anti-5G groups going on around Australia. Not many people were calling for these protests to be stopped now were they? The law makers (governments and media) had plenty of notice about both protests.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Australia.html

Anti-vax/5G protest in May:



Indigenous protest yesterday:



Can you spot the difference?


I agree that it hasn't been a good time for any mass protests to take place. Against law even. But if the Anti-vax's/anti-5G protestors were allowed to gather in mass around the country when restrictions were tighter, then why try to stop yesterdays protests?

The timing for the protests by the indigenous community was right with what is happening, but did the Anti-vax's/anti-5G groups really have to protest in the middle of a pandemic? None of them were following health guidelines either (not a single person wearing a mask). And 99.9% of them were 'white' from what I have seen. Maybe that's the differentiating factor?

[GasoLane]

The thread topic is USA riots, can we please stick to that and not Australian rent-a-crowds

[DJR-351]

[naddis01]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

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I don't know about that. An 85" TV is pretty hard to carry by yourself.

[russellw]

Further to my previous stats, the defintions for the other two categoris are:

Non-Hispanic whites (also referred to as Anglo Americans) are European Americans, Middle Eastern Americans, and North African Americans as by the United States Census Bureau.

Black, not Hispanic or Latino is a person having origins in any of the peoples of Hawaii, Guam, Samoa, or other Pacific Islands.

Given the overlap between those groups and the other racial groups, I think it should look like this:



I've included suicide and MVA as comparative causes of death.

From that data set, we can conclude:

1. Males are 2.6x more likely to die in an MVA; 3.67x more likely to commit suicide and 3.92x more likely to be the victim of a homicide.

2. The National average for MVA related deaths is 12.0 / 100k. Whites are abut that level (12.2) with Black (13.2) slightly higher and American Indians (18.5) more than 50% higher. Hispanics and Latinos (10.8) are slightly lower while Asia Pacific races are much lower at 4.7 per 100k.

3. The National average for suicide is 14.0 / 100k. Whites are the only racial group above that average at 15.8 while American Indians (13.5) are a little below and each of the other three racial groups are well below at 6.6-6.9 / 100k.

4. The homicide story is somewhat starker. The National average is 6.2 / 100k. Hispanics and Latinos (5.2) are a little below while Whites are only at 58% of the national average (3.6) and Asia Pacific races are less than half the rate for whites at 1.7 / 100k. American Indians (6.2) are about level with the national average but blacks are well over-represented with 21.4 / 100k - almost 3.5x the national average and almost 6x the rate for whites.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by LG17

Anyone who participates in these protests at this time deserve to catch the virus. They think they're above everything the respective governments have been trying to do to ensure our health.

Correct.

These clowns are protesting about saving lives, yet their exact actions in breaching health and safety regulations is risking exactly the opposite.

[burnz]

don't worry the police are here to help.
https://www.********.com/video/YcBOmUdrZ7Yh/

collect rocks to throw at people.

[burnz]

the messiah of the protest.
https://www.********.com/video/BUWpn4dk36Wb/