Wheels 'Ford Mustang V8 scores ‘poor’ 2-star safety rating'

[Iggle Piggle]

So does the US Mustang get active safety features that the Euro and Australian version miss out on?

[prydey]

Originally Posted by HO 3

The damage has been done, time will tell if Ford can get back off the floor and address the issues in a short time frame that Goodwin has called for.

i believe from may this year mustang gets lane assist and auto braking technologies.

also, ancap simply didn't have access to a car. you can try to peddle the line that ford refused to give them one, but that would be as misleading as saying the mustang is unsafe.

[HO 3]

Originally Posted by prydey

i believe from may this year mustang gets lane assist and auto braking technologies.

also, ancap simply didn't have access to a car. you can try to peddle the line that ford refused to give them one, but that would be as misleading as saying the mustang is unsafe.

No I had no intention of doing so.

Cheers Mick

[4stanger]

Originally Posted by Iggle Piggle

So does the US Mustang get active safety features that the Euro and Australian version miss out on?

Through the option pack equipment group 401a, they can option;

BLIS with cross traffic alert The available BLIS® with cross-traffic alert helps make driving more convenient. It uses radar to identify if a vehicle is detected in your blind spot and alerts you with an indicator light in the appropriate exterior mirror. Cross-traffic alert also uses radar to watch for traffic behind you as you’re slowly backing out of a parking spot or driveway. If cross-traffic sensors detect a vehicle approaching from up to 15 yards away, you will be audibly and visually alerted.

Adaptive Cruise control Available adaptive cruise control functions similarly to traditional cruise control—with one important difference. When the sensors detect traffic slowing ahead, your vehicle also slows down based on your pre-set distance. And when traffic has cleared, your vehicle resumes the set speed.

& Collision Warning and Brake support Collision Warning with Brake Support alerts you if it senses a potential collision with the car in front of you. A heads-up display, which simulates brake lights, flashes on the windshield and provides an audible warning. If you don’t react in time, the brakes will precharge and increase brake-assist sensitivity to provide full responsiveness when you do brake.

It is funny though, when looking at the sales info through the Ford website on Mustang and checking out features, I cannot find any heading saying safety. Probably the last thing they are trying to pitch to a prospective pony car buyer.
Also I wonder how often people option for the equipment group 401a.

Export version does not get this 401a option. although we do get rain sensing wipers which also part of the package.

[HO 3]

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Um, it's on the EURO NCAP and ANCAP NCAP websites in the detailed test breakdowns.

This is exactly what I'm saying, you had no idea did you ? Neither does the general public.

I bet you also had no idea that the "standards" change and that some cars are listed ( and are still for sale as new cars ) that were 5 star cars a couple of years back but under the new criteria would be lower.

Go figure ....lts a mess.

So your saying you have seen all the data from the measuring equipment during crash testing to make an informed decision as an engineer and blame everything else and not the actual car. I accept that my FG Falcon would no longer be 5 star safety rated and also fully expect the goal posts to be moved forward periodically in testing to improve the breed as they are done in all things automotive. I don't have a problem with it as long as that's explained, after all my feet are not stuck in the mud.

Cheers Mick

[4stanger]

From what I have reading on the net with the euro 2 star tests and the yank 5 star tests.
The Mustang is right up there in good rankings for the front occupants, for collision protection, sure the car is going to bend up but isn't that part of the cushioning effect of crumple zones?
The door opening, could be a good thing in some situations, but there is no evidence of this happening in the yank tests.
Rear seat passengers, if you ever seen or sat in the back of a Mustang, there is very little features to welcome the rear passengers, no grab handles, no rear vents, no centre armrest, no drink holder, you do get a seat, a seat belt and a coat hanger hook in front of you that is attached to the rear of the front seat head rest. not very inviting is it.

But it fails with the euro tests with its crash avoidance technology and the lack of it in the export version.

So in some situations a 5 star rated 3 cylinder buzz box with all the tech will save you by doing its best to prevent YOU from hitting something. But would the buzz box have structural integrity save you when something out of control hits you?

A lot of general misconception out there, where scaremongers and not very well informed believing the stang is a death trap, the hysteria on the net is amazing. This could well and truly hurt sales for Ford in this era of road safety and all things safety.

[roddy1960]

G'day...I know I'n not really supposed to post any links much outside the Video thread but .....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0StTHnTKK8 .. Also apparently got 2 stars in Europe...Got to say...I thought it looked pretty safe to me on this...I listened to the comments on another vid (same subject) and as stated most of the fail was due to lack of driver technology aids on the Euro specifications probably here in OZ and NZ too which Ford are supposedly correcting soon.

.This stuff is scary and also stated below. by numerous other AFF replies , why rely on tech so much for these ratings , what's wrong with primarily driving in a safe way in the first place and having the car collapse/deploy airbags as it was expected to if/when something bad happens .. If safety tech aids is what safety ratings rely a lot on then ...BLOODY HELL..What 's it coming to..

Cheers Rod

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

All of these were tested to lesser standards yet the scoring scale is the same.

BTW: BMW Z4 scores 3 stars and would be 2 stars - it doesn't have safety assist.

The dumb ar$es will lap all of this rubbish up. A sign of the times where idiots can't think for themselves, and are "tempted" to post on Facebook all of the time

Modern systems require consistency and a standard baseline so comparisons can be made, otherwise metrics, scores, and KPI's are worthless.

HAHAHA you have some strange logic...the BMW scored 3 stars so it's OK for the mustang to score 2...HAHAHA. Someone else screws up and you are happy if you screw up too..in fact you're happy to score up a little more even.

That's the reason why Western "first world nations" like the US and Australia are going backwards, the German car scored 3 so "hey 2 us good enough for us"..

And you wonder why the general public have abandoned the likes of Ford and Holden..

Would be nice if the muzzy got 4 or 5, no? Should the 2016 / 2017 car not have all the safety features a POS Korean car has?

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

G'day...I know I'n not really supposed to post any links much outside the Video thread but .....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0StTHnTKK8 .. Also apparently got 2 stars in Europe...Got to say...I thought it looked pretty safe to me on this...I listened to the comments on another vid (same subject) and as stated most of the fail was due to lack of driver technology aids on the Euro specifications probably here in OZ and NZ too which Ford are supposedly correcting soon.

It's the same cars and Vid as in Posts 1 and 4.

[Windsor220]

The star system is stupid when the mandatory equipment changes every year. The Mustang would probably qualify for 5 stars 5 years ago yet people are saying they wouldn't buy it now. I guess you will probably need to give up your current cars.

[nstg8a]

A modern Korean 'pos' as you so eloquently put it having all the latest safety stuff is quite understandable when the average buyer of said 'pos' has about as much interest in driving as I do in vacuuming the house.

Where as the average mustang driver I would assume actually likes to drive their car, rather than relying on their car to cover up their own inadequacies.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Stefan

HAHAHA you have some strange logic...the BMW scored 3 stars so it's OK for the mustang to score 2...HAHAHA. Someone else screws up and you are happy if you screw up too..in fact you're happy to score up a little more even.

That's the reason why Western "first world nations" like the US and Australia are going backwards, the German car scored 3 so "hey 2 us good enough for us"..

And you wonder why the general public have abandoned the likes of Ford and Holden..

Would be nice if the muzzy got 4 or 5, no? Should the 2016 / 2017 car not have all the safety features a POS Korean car has?

You need to take a deep breath, and get some reading glasses

It's NOT ok for Mustang to get 2 stars, in fact the results of the vehicles I quote should be put in to context with Mustang with the same baseline and procedures for measurement.

Ford won't be happy and they need to do some work if they want the Mustang to be a 5 star vehicle using the current testing regime.

Using the previous ANCAP standard, Mustang is equivalent to a current Audi TT at 4 stars.

The examples I use show that there are vehicles under the old regime that performed below 5 stars and did not have active safety features.

The scoring system should allow alignment of Mustang with other results so they can be compared. Alternatively more stars (6 or 7) should be awarded to cars with active safety features.

That allows the consumer to compare crash performance on a level playing field ( disregarding scoring changes, changes to tests, or if some tests weren't even done - eg: Toyota 86, MG GS ).

I know you won't understand any of this, you also seen to have a thing about Koreans. Good luck with that

[4stanger]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

...BLOODY HELL..What 's it coming to..

Cheers Rod

Autonomous cars.

As humans we are always trying to improve in everything we do, with structural engineering of safe motor vehicle body shells, we are just about at the peak with out making the car out of heavier metals and making the car as heavy as a tank.
The next step would obviously to improve is to create these things that prevent accidents from happening in the first place, so now all the attention is to keep improving the tech, with manufacturers trying to out do each other with new improvements.
Its not all bad, some of this is usefull with the growing numbers of inattentive drivers, driving around on mobile phones and on drugs.


Funny to reflect when the Mustang was released here late 2015, all the journos were writing up great reviews & tests and if they were good journos would have done some research to find out the safety tech that was missing from the export Mustang that the North American Mustang had access to. I can't find any of the journos mentioning that, all they went on about was get the v8, you just can't beat the that sound etc.. Now these journos are on all attack on the Mustang with a 2 star rating and claiming its a coffin on wheels

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

You need to take a deep breath, and get some reading glasses

It's NOT ok for Mustang to get 2 stars, in fact the results of the vehicles I quote should be put in to context with Mustang with the same baseline and procedures for measurement.

Ford won't be happy and they need to do some work if they want the Mustang to be a 5 star vehicle using the current testing regime.

Using the previous ANCAP standard, Mustang is equivalent to a current Audi TT at 4 stars.

The examples I use show that there are vehicles under the old regime that performed below 5 stars and did not have active safety features.

The scoring system should allow alignment of Mustang with other results so they can be compared. Alternatively more stars (6 or 7) should be awarded to cars with active safety features.

That allows the consumer to compare crash performance on a level playing field ( disregarding scoring changes, changes to tests, or if some tests weren't even done - eg: Toyota 86, MG GS ).

I know you won't understand any of this, you also seen to have a thing about Koreans. Good luck with that

I applaud your commitment but this springs to mind

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

I applaud your commitment but this springs to mind

Yes I need a rest.

My wife is glaring at me for messing around on this iPhone. I'm about to get growled at

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

You need to take a deep breath, and get some reading glasses

It's NOT ok for Mustang to get 2 stars, in fact the results of the vehicles I quote should be put in to context with Mustang with the same baseline and procedures for measurement.

Ford won't be happy and they need to do some work if they want the Mustang to be a 5 star vehicle using the current testing regime.

Using the previous ANCAP standard, Mustang is equivalent to a current Audi TT at 4 stars.

The examples I use show that there are vehicles under the old regime that performed below 5 stars and did not have active safety features.

The scoring system should allow alignment of Mustang with other results so they can be compared. Alternatively more stars (6 or 7) should be awarded to cars with active safety features.

That allows the consumer to compare crash performance on a level playing field ( disregarding scoring changes, changes to tests, or if some tests weren't even done - eg: Toyota 86, MG GS ).

I know you won't understand any of this, you also seen to have a thing about Koreans. Good luck with that

The Ford "spin doctors" are already spinning the "BS" back peddling furiously.They have a "PR" nightmare on their hands.Which ever way you look at it the car is a disaster for them.I should imagine the "Legal Fraternity " will be rubbing their sweaty little palms together,because if god forbid there is a fatality(related to the safety concerns of said vehicle) I can see a "class action" looming.I certainly would not touch one with a "barge pole". After all it is only a pretty body shell with a V8 engine in it.I'll take my money else where thanks.Cheers

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by hackney

The Ford "spin doctors" are already spinning the "BS" back peddling furiously.They have a "PR" nightmare on their hands.Which ever way you look at it the car is a disaster for them.I should imagine the "Legal Fraternity " will be rubbing their sweaty little palms together,because if god forbid there is a fatality(related to the safety concerns of said vehicle) I can see a "class action" looming.I certainly would not touch one with a "barge pole". After all it is only a pretty body shell with a V8 engine in it.I'll take my money else where thanks.Cheers

People die in all sorts of cars everyday all around the world for lots of different reasons.

We are not forced to buy a particular car, we choose to.

Good luck suing for that (yes I know someone in the US will probably try).

[hackney]

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

People die in all sorts of cars everyday all around the world for lots of different reasons.

We are not forced to buy a particular car, we choose to.

Good luck suing for that (yes I know someone in the US will probably try).

Yes,but Ford are already saying the car is safe.Ford would also not hand over a vehicle to ANCAP for crash testing,they had to go and use EUROCAP.Does that not tell you something? It is the only vehicle that Ford have refused for that program.As I said the "Spin doctors" are working overtime on this.It is a PR nightmare for them.Cheers

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by hackney

Yes,but Ford are already saying the car is safe

Maybe because the technical crash test results and scores show they are not really any worse than a 1 year old Falcon or Commodore ?

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Maybe because the technical crash test results and scores show they are not really any worse than a 1 year old Falcon or Commodore ?

I just think they are trying to "Spin" It to their advantage(as most car companies do)IE: VW.In other words "back pedalling" at a great rate.They know they have a calamity on their hands."Watch this space" it is going to get interesting & murky.Cheers

[xtremerus]

Only a limited number of cars have been done to this new 2017 test.

I would say most of the car manufacturers will be a little concerned as to how there products are going to stand up to the new 2017.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by hackney

I just think they are trying to "Spin" It to their advantage(as most car companies do)IE: VW.In other words "back pedalling" at a great rate.They know they have a calamity on their hands."Watch this space" it is going to get interesting & murky.Cheers

They won't be happy.

In this day and age though BS and Fake news on the internet rules ( seperate from this issue ).

In fact logic and intelligence also goes out the window with rumour, emotion, innuendo, and 'BS Headlines' ruling.

Dumbar$es are the majority in our society too.

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

It's the same cars and Vid as in Posts 1 and 4.

G'day , so it is. Went back to page 1 of 7 already to see what you mean..I only came in on this a day or two ago and saw the Wheels magazine background to confronting topic ..Already 7 pages of comment..Only been reading the past couple of days content since I first noticed it..
Hot topic seeing that nearly 180 replies since last Wednesday or so...
Cheers Rod..

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by hackney

The Ford "spin doctors" are already spinning the "BS" back peddling furiously.They have a "PR" nightmare on their hands.Which ever way you look at it the car is a disaster for them.I should imagine the "Legal Fraternity " will be rubbing their sweaty little palms together,because if god forbid there is a fatality(related to the safety concerns of said vehicle) I can see a "class action" looming.I certainly would not touch one with a "barge pole". After all it is only a pretty body shell with a V8 engine in it.I'll take my money else where thanks.Cheers

I don't recall hearing of lawyers rubbing hands together, or seeing any class actions for the.....

AUII falcon (3 stars)
Mitsubishi Magna (3 stars)
Toyota Avalon (3 stars)
Nissan Patrol (3 stars)
Or numerous other 3 star cars.

[Charliewool]

Whining now?.... Just wait for the groans at the price of a 2018 when option 401a, with all its bells & whistles is standard!!
Goodbye forever, sub 70k V8 Stang!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

I don't recall hearing of lawyers rubbing hands together, or seeing any class actions for the.....

AUII falcon (3 stars)
Mitsubishi Magna (3 stars)
Toyota Avalon (3 stars)
Nissan Patrol (3 stars)
Or numerous other 3 star cars.

Mitsubishi Express with its 0.5 star safety rating

[baboon]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Mitsubishi Express with its 0.5 star safety rating

Twinkle, twinkle little star....

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

You need to take a deep breath, and get some reading glasses

It's NOT ok for Mustang to get 2 stars, in fact the results of the vehicles I quote should be put in to context with Mustang with the same baseline and procedures for measurement.

Ford won't be happy and they need to do some work if they want the Mustang to be a 5 star vehicle using the current testing regime.

Using the previous ANCAP standard, Mustang is equivalent to a current Audi TT at 4 stars.

The examples I use show that there are vehicles under the old regime that performed below 5 stars and did not have active safety features.

The scoring system should allow alignment of Mustang with other results so they can be compared. Alternatively more stars (6 or 7) should be awarded to cars with active safety features.

That allows the consumer to compare crash performance on a level playing field ( disregarding scoring changes, changes to tests, or if some tests weren't even done - eg: Toyota 86, MG GS ).

I know you won't understand any of this, you also seen to have a thing about Koreans. Good luck with that

Breathing is fine and glasses are on...

Why would you test a 2016 /17 car on the previous regime of testing? Current car, current standard of testing...

Even if all the tests were not performed on other cars, who cares? They were done on the muzzy! because I assume Ford allowed it? Thats like failing a maths test and then saying "no problem but you never checked if the other guy failed too" . Does it make a difference? You still failed.....

Your lack of logic astounds me.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Breathing is fine and glasses are on...

Why would you test a 2016 /17 car on the previous regime of testing? Current car, current standard of testing...

Even if all the tests were not performed on other cars, who cares? They were done on the muzzy! because I assume Ford allowed it? Thats like failing a maths test and then saying "no problem but you never checked if the other guy failed too" . Does it make a difference? You still failed.....

Your lack of logic astounds me.

You don't understand English, nor can you read, I give up.

[superroo]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Why would you test a 2016 /17 car on the previous regime of testing?

Mustang was released late 2015 and as such should be tested to applicable regiem at the time.

Originally Posted by Stefan

They were done on the muzzy! because I assume Ford allowed it?

No. NCAP can and do purchase cars through retail channels to test. That would most like be case here due to length of time done released.